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Guns, what would you suggest?
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no guns. guns are horrible weapons made for murder. unless u in the army u should not have a gun.
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Reading over much of the posts in this thread, it all depends on context. While I believe that a good amount of people who go out hunting shouldn't have to in the first place. However there are times when it's rather necessary. Not everyone lives where it's easy to get some food nor a good amount of money to afford to eat. It's in those circumstances that I believe hunting is necessary when the meat can actually be used as a result of not having the convenience of a story or the money to feed yourself. Putting everyone in a basket, calling them names, pointing fingers, etc., can be nothing more than an idiosyncratic response as a result of upbringing. It's important to see the possibilities on both sides of the fence.

Under that criteria of mine, I do believe that a majority of people who go out hunting shouldn't, but at times I do believe it can be necessary. I feel that the OP might fall in that category of mine. However, I will give my two cents in for a rifle. While the OP won't accept a R700, perhaps a similar rifle, Winchester M70 or the CZ550 chambered for whatever cartridge suits your fancy. Going out with anything more is nothing but foolishness. A proper cartridge for what you are aiming to get and a good enough rifle with a scope to make sure it's only one shot that's needed.
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crossbow
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Here you are son, your very own BB gun.
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Don't give me all that "we are wired to kill" bullshit. You ever heard of evolution? What do you think is the main difference between us and animals? We have evolved to know what morals are, to be aware of right and wrong, to make a consious decision. So when they go shooting things, they choose to because they are messed up. Not because they can't control it because it is in our instinct or whatever. I'm human too and I've never wanted to kill an animal. Why? Because I have EVOLVED. Maybe all these stupid hunter types should do the same. It's the 21st century. People have had enough time to learn by now. If they are still clinging to the whole "we have to, its our primal instinct" nonsense then they are just total idiots.
People who love guns does not outweigh people who don't. It is so uncommon here. Only a very tiny minority of upperclass rich people do it, and most of them no longer actually kill things and instead shoot clay discs. Even if your crazy country where anything goes it seems, I'm sure there is still more people who don't go around shooting stuff.
I really don't care what people like that think of me anyway. I am already totally disgusted with them so why should I want them to like me? Not like they can kill me for it. Although they probably would since they are already ok with killing animals. It's only deer they shoot because that is what they can get away with. They would easily turn a gun on a human if it was legal.
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Lock and load.
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Cheytac M200 COD fans know it as the Intervention
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eclair-lumiere wrote:



Don't give me all that "we are wired to kill" bullshit. You ever heard of evolution? What do you think is the main difference between us and animals? We have evolved to know what morals are, to be aware of right and wrong, to make a consious decision. So when they go shooting things, they choose to because they are messed up. Not because they can't control it because it is in our instinct or whatever. I'm human too and I've never wanted to kill an animal. Why? Because I have EVOLVED. Maybe all these stupid hunter types should do the same. It's the 21st century. People have had enough time to learn by now. If they are still clinging to the whole "we have to, its our primal instinct" nonsense then they are just total idiots.
People who love guns does not outweigh people who don't. It is so uncommon here. Only a very tiny minority of upperclass rich people do it, and most of them no longer actually kill things and instead shoot clay discs. Even if your crazy country where anything goes it seems, I'm sure there is still more people who don't go around shooting stuff.
I really don't care what people like that think of me anyway. I am already totally disgusted with them so why should I want them to like me? Not like they can kill me for it. Although they probably would since they are already ok with killing animals. It's only deer they shoot because that is what they can get away with. They would easily turn a gun on a human if it was legal.


You are correct. We have evolved and gained whatever special properties we have that allow us to think and create the way we do. However at the end of the day we are still mammals, still animals. Our instinct may not necessarily make us choose how to act all the time the fact of the matter is that for centuries of human existence our species has survived by hunting our fellow animals for sustenance. In present days we don't necessarily need to continue this hunting tradition but most of our food comes from the death of animals whether by bullet, fish hook, or however they are dealt with inside of a slaughter house. Humans as omnivores will always eat meat of some sort whether it be beef, fish or fowl. People won't stop eating it just because at one point in time their steak was a living creature. It is the twenty first century but humans don't live all that long in the scheme of things and every year there is a new herd of human children who have to learn how they will interact with the world. Many of them may be pacifistic and not run around the woods shooting anything that moves for the fun of it but there will always be those that will. What makes them so much more messed up than anyone else? Is it simply because they find sport in killing things or is it because you fear that everyone who picks up a gun will only think about killing other humans? A hunter's moral system may be different from yours but that doesn't mean that they think that killing other humans is morally right.
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Of course we still kill animals for food. We need that in our diet. But killing animals for "sport" is where it gets stupid. Killing without reason.
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eclair-lumiere wrote:



Don't give me all that "we are wired to kill" bullshit. You ever heard of evolution? What do you think is the main difference between us and animals? We have evolved to know what morals are, to be aware of right and wrong, to make a consious decision. So when they go shooting things, they choose to because they are messed up. Not because they can't control it because it is in our instinct or whatever. I'm human too and I've never wanted to kill an animal. Why? Because I have EVOLVED. Maybe all these stupid hunter types should do the same. It's the 21st century. People have had enough time to learn by now. If they are still clinging to the whole "we have to, its our primal instinct" nonsense then they are just total idiots.
People who love guns does not outweigh people who don't. It is so uncommon here. Only a very tiny minority of upperclass rich people do it, and most of them no longer actually kill things and instead shoot clay discs. Even if your crazy country where anything goes it seems, I'm sure there is still more people who don't go around shooting stuff.
I really don't care what people like that think of me anyway. I am already totally disgusted with them so why should I want them to like me? Not like they can kill me for it. Although they probably would since they are already ok with killing animals. It's only deer they shoot because that is what they can get away with. They would easily turn a gun on a human if it was legal.


I would if I could get away with it right now....... but i shant say more on the subject as you are not a nature conservationist nor I.So unless you go out and become one or get someone who is I won't say another word. However I'd like to calll you a hypocrite because in the following scenario what would you do.
A fly is in your room buzzing around it has been for the last hour it suddenly lands right in front of you. You smash it in a way of your choosing. Would you (A) Mourn the little guys passing. or (B) Say "Ha, I got you, you little ba**ard". And on that note I shall bid you adieu.
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Barrett 82a1 beats the Cheytac any day. But apparently he is hunting deer not mack trucks so i think we should leave the 50 out of it.
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Good luck with that since you don't know who I am or where I live.
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This thread is pretty lame. Where's all the answers towards OP's question? It's hardly there...
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eclair-lumiere wrote:



Well I come from the UK where we are against killing animals for no reason. It certainly isn't a sport. It is just cruel. And we invented "soccer" and we call it football. And all other european countries call it football too so it is football, not bloody soccer!
You know what else is legal in the US? Owning a gun. Having sex at 13 in some states. Does that mean it is ok? Nope.

I'm so so glad I don't have to live in your crazy country.


Ok... fact check, hunting is LEGAL in the UK, so is owning guns, it's just not as well known since it isn't as popular as it is in the US. Go here for more info on hunting in the UK: http://www.basc.org.uk/ .

There is nothing wrong with hunting, and when done legally, actually serves a purpose. It's to control the wildlife population and keep the balance of nature in check. I know you're probably rolling your eyes and thinking "yeah right, humans are just interfering with nature again," and you know what, you're right, we are. In order for us to expand our habitat, we have encroached on the habitats of other species of animals and have essentially "taken their land". Now we can "share" the land with most animals, but some animals pose a danger to humans, such as wolves, mountain lions, bears, etc. and as a result were/are killed or "relocated" when found within our habitat (think about it... would you like it if some dangerous predatory animal was left to just wander the streets of your neighborhood?).

This means that the natural predators for animals that we are ok with, such as deer, turkey, rabbits, etc. are removed. This causes overpopulation of those animals, which is actually worse for the environment (look up "carrying capacity" or the "predator-prey model", if you like math, you can even look up the Lotka-Volterra equations to get a mathematical explanation). To correct the problem humans created when they culled the predator population, humans must act as the predators to "keep the balance". And yes, when there are not enough "private hunters" to contribute to this ecological balancing, the government (both in the US and UK) will send park rangers to kill off the animals. It's actually quite common when park rangers have to go out and kill a bunch of deer because there weren't enough hunters to do it that season, and when park rangers kill, it's a waste, because private hunters actually make use of the game they kill (they harvest the meat, pelt and they contribute to funding conservation efforts by paying for the licenses and the tax that gets tacked onto ammo, guns and hunting accessories).

If you're against hunting for whatever reason, that's fine, we can all respect your opinions, but you really should do your research before claiming certain facts and attacking another person's views or ways of life.

Oh and if you're going into "killing animals for no reason" what does the UK do about all those stray dogs and cats that overpopulate the pounds or "anime shelters"? I guess each and every one of those animals live comfortably there until a ripe old age or find people to adopt them right?
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To answer the OPs question, you want to impress your PLT, don't bother getting some decked out uber rifle. At best, it's just a cool toy, at worst they'll think your compensating for something. Just a get a modestly priced .308 WIN (a good caliber to go with because it's good for medium to large game, the rounds are relatively inexpensive, easy to find and decently accurate with many types and weights to choose from). Then get a solid zero on the scope, practice using it and getting good with it (such as know how many rounds in 2 mins you can fire before the heat from the barrel starts causing the rounds to deviate), and take down whatever you're hunting with one shot from over 200 yards away.
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