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Women are asking to get raped by wearing short skirts. Really?
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nobody asks to get raped. that's why it's rape.

i could go on forever about this, but it all boils down to "no means no." if someone tells you no, then no matter what they are wearing, what they are doing or how they are acting changes that. if you can't respect that, then you're just a bottom feeder who needs to get wasted
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lippedlove wrote:

nobody asks to get raped. that's why it's rape.

i could go on forever about this, but it all boils down to "no means no." if someone tells you no, then no matter what they are wearing, what they are doing or how they are acting changes that. if you can't respect that, then you're just a bottom feeder who needs to get wasted


If a woman wearing a skirt is asking to get raped...I don't want to know what it means when a guy is wearing a kilt.

All joking aside, people who really think that women wearing any particular type of clothing are sending the signal that they want to be sexually imposed upon are just doing it to justify their horrid actions. It's passing on responsibility by making it sound like the victim had it coming.

"I didn't want to cripple that guy, but he was asking for a fight by dressing gangster!" etc. etc.
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Winterfells wrote:


lippedlove wrote:

nobody asks to get raped. that's why it's rape.

i could go on forever about this, but it all boils down to "no means no." if someone tells you no, then no matter what they are wearing, what they are doing or how they are acting changes that. if you can't respect that, then you're just a bottom feeder who needs to get wasted


If a woman wearing a skirt is asking to get raped...I don't want to know what it means when a guy is wearing a kilt.

All joking aside, people who really think that women wearing any particular type of clothing are sending the signal that they want to be sexually imposed upon are just doing it to justify their horrid actions. It's passing on responsibility by making it sound like the victim had it coming.

"I didn't want to cripple that guy, but he was asking for a fight by dressing gangster!" etc. etc.


no argument here. However conversely. someone cautioning someone about additional risks incurred with certain modes of dress is neither 'blaming the victim' nor ' a sexist bastard'. suggesting that one way to reduce risk is to be careful about clothing choices is just common sense. Just like keeping your money and passport in a money belt or similar closely kept safe place is away to reduce the risk of having a pickpocket ruin your vacation.

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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

no argument here. However conversely. someone cautioning someone about additional risks incurred with certain modes of dress is neither 'blaming the victim' nor ' a sexist bastard'. suggesting that one way to reduce risk is to be careful about clothing choices is just common sense. Just like keeping your money and passport in a money belt or similar closely kept safe place is away to reduce the risk of having a pickpocket ruin your vacation.



That makes sense to me.

Similar to saying that not wearing a hat outside will more likely result in sunburns on the face, or wearing a certain color in a gang-affiliated neighborhood will increase your chances of getting attacked, wearing a hoody into a bank will result in security getting worried, etc.

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I'm just going to start off with the dictionary road to this argument and say that is logically impossible to asked to be raped. If you asked to be raped, then it is not rape, it is consensual sex. To those who argue that wearing certain outfits in certain areas invite trouble on oneself, I will give them that point in other arguments, but not in this one. While it maybe true if one is wearing gang colors of an opposing gang in the other gang's neighborhood, it should not be the case for women as women should not have to fear attack for wearing the outfits they choose to wear. No one should ever have to fear attack for their choice of attire.
Posted 8/19/12 , edited 8/19/12
Ugh. That's so stupid. I hate it when people think that way, it doesn't make any sense. Reminds me of a far out-there Christian dude who always has crazy status updates because he doesn't have the logic to back up what he says. He said something like this as a reason why women should all dress conservatively and got at least 200 hate messages on the status lol

It's like saying it is your fault that somebody robbed your house because your front door is made of glass and the lock on it sucks. There is a limit on how revealing you should dress, but even the most revealing attire doesn't make it so that anyone is asking to be raped. It's the rapist's fault, obviously.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

no argument here. However conversely. someone cautioning someone about additional risks incurred with certain modes of dress is neither 'blaming the victim' nor ' a sexist bastard'. suggesting that one way to reduce risk is to be careful about clothing choices is just common sense. Just like keeping your money and passport in a money belt or similar closely kept safe place is away to reduce the risk of having a pickpocket ruin your vacation.


yeah, but your passport and money are objects. your body and your sexuality are not. people should be able to wear whatever they want to wear without having to be afraid of someone assaulting or disrespecting them. it's not a meat market.
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Women no more ask for rape than I ask to be stepped on at work.
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lippedlove wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

no argument here. However conversely. someone cautioning someone about additional risks incurred with certain modes of dress is neither 'blaming the victim' nor ' a sexist bastard'. suggesting that one way to reduce risk is to be careful about clothing choices is just common sense. Just like keeping your money and passport in a money belt or similar closely kept safe place is away to reduce the risk of having a pickpocket ruin your vacation.


yeah, but your passport and money are objects. your body and your sexuality are not. people should be able to wear whatever they want to wear without having to be afraid of someone assaulting or disrespecting them. it's not a meat market.


I agree. people should be able to wear what they like and say what they like. I'm not arguing that. Nor am I agreeing with any of the fucktards who claim women invite rape because of the of the close they wear.

I am saying that when a police officer or other safety official is listing off things like "always keep an eye on your drink", "avoid dark alleys", "use the buddy systems" etc. He is NOT one of those same fucktards just because he cautions women on their mode of dress. nor because he's male and to make said person a target of a protest for three years running is to invite disdain for your cause.

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I should note that I'm a firm believer in freedom of the press. and that If I were a Newspaper publisher I shouldn't have to worry about weather or not a political cartoon was going to get an embassy burned.

Unfortunately, the world we live in, I probably do.

When I lived in a college dorm oh many years ago. I left a gift for a friend at their door which was a bottle of booze and birthday card. It SHOULD have been obvious it was a present meant for the resident behind that door. I am still incensed that I was considered the stupid one for not realizing that my friend would open the door only to find the mangled card with a bootprint on top of it.

YES, No means no. And in my country everyone is legally free to wander public spaces wearing only pants. Everyone. Therefore a woman should have no fear of going topless anywhere. In a perfect world.

This is not a perfect world. I'm very cautious myself when I go clubbing It's a shame I have to consider various risks when all I want to do is have a little fun. But that is the world we live in.

In previous posts I've made it clear that I agree that no one is asking or deserving to get raped. and that I think any assertion that that womens' clothing should be subjected to some sort of dress code is fatuous, sexist, counter-progressive, and all other kinds of wrong to me and the majority of my society. But I think we need to differentiate between those idiots who'd have women wear HazMat suits because somehow the woman would be at fault for a man unable to control his urges. (which I think is also disingenuous and the real reason is simply more an issue of control and subjugation) and those who are simply trying to list and catogorize risk factors to be considered.


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This discussion is ridiculous. No one "asks" to get raped or wants to............this is only a male fantasy maybe??
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Posted 8/19/12

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


lippedlove wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

no argument here. However conversely. someone cautioning someone about additional risks incurred with certain modes of dress is neither 'blaming the victim' nor ' a sexist bastard'. suggesting that one way to reduce risk is to be careful about clothing choices is just common sense. Just like keeping your money and passport in a money belt or similar closely kept safe place is away to reduce the risk of having a pickpocket ruin your vacation.


yeah, but your passport and money are objects. your body and your sexuality are not. people should be able to wear whatever they want to wear without having to be afraid of someone assaulting or disrespecting them. it's not a meat market.


I agree. people should be able to wear what they like and say what they like. I'm not arguing that. Nor am I agreeing with any of the fucktards who claim women invite rape because of the of the close they wear.

I am saying that when a police officer or other safety official is listing off things like "always keep an eye on your drink", "avoid dark alleys", "use the buddy systems" etc. He is NOT one of those same fucktards just because he cautions women on their mode of dress. nor because he's male and to make said person a target of a protest for three years running is to invite disdain for your cause.



okay, i see what you're saying, and i agree. as long as it doesn't turn into telling someone what to do with their body, which sometimes it does, unfortunately. but i think you're definitely in the right. sorry for sort of jumping on you back there.
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thats not true. they sometimes asked to get raped even without the skirts
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Posted 8/19/12
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That whole rebuttal by Indonesian people about short skirts is just another sign of sheer ignorance and being 500+ years behind modern times. Sorry but if your males have been living under a rock that long in such a society, they need to step outside and catch up with the rest of the modern world.

A short skirt is no cop out excuse for rape. Get rid of short skirts and next it'll be the hair or the eyes or maybe the type of clothes they were wear that fully covered themselves with.

3rd world ignorance.
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