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Philosophy: The Existence of God
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Posted 4/2/12

I cannot deny the possibility of a greater exsistance. But any entity capable of "creation" would be so far above humans that our chance of understanding it would be the same as an ant understanding a super-computer. The idea that humans were "created in his image" is not only silly, but the very height of arrogance. Why would a entity capable of exsistance in nothingness( before creation ) need the body of an under-haired monkey?

I understand the need most people have for religon, They need to feel as though someone is in charge, that there is life after death, and that someone will punish those who they feel have wronged them. People seem to need to both avoid responsibility and at the same time have a reason to feel " superior " to others. We are still, it seems, a very immature species. I can only hope that humanity doesn't destroy itself before it has a chance to grow up.
Posted 4/2/12
That is some intense logic...
Think of it this way...
Whether God exists or not does not matter...
The fact is that people treat God like it exists even though there may not be real proof that he does...
Just the implied power of influence seems outrageous...
The most obsurd is the people who think they understand God...
The presumptions of good and evil are also relative as well...
If he does exist...he's got a really fucked up sense of humor...
The only way for God to exist is to not exist in a way we can understand?

But you have to assume he exists in the first place...
But what if god was created by man as an idea to control people?
Even then..just as an idea it holds power...
Scary because whether he exists or not...it has power...
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The existence of a being that is greater than all of us is something that takes time to conceive, and isn't so easily done, I for one am quite skeptical about religion. Do I, however, believe there not to be a god, or being with unbelievable power? No, I'm not ignorant to think so, until the day it is proven their is such a creature out there in the universe though, I will continue to be skeptical over the situation
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This whole image is completely flawed. Nowhere does it say God is all good and completely against evil (even if the christian god is, there are still many gods people believe in)
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Posted 4/2/12
You can claim that anything is real if the only basis for believing in it is that nobody has proven it doen't exist.
Posted 4/8/12

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"My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such violent reaction against it? A man feels wet when he falls into water, because man is not a water animal: a fish would not feel wet. Of course, I could have given up my idea of justice by saying that it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if I did that, then my argument against God collapsed too--for the argument depended on saying that the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my private fancies. Thus in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist--in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless --I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality--namely my idea of justice--was full of sense. Consequently atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning."
-C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
You didn't really refute the argument, but I try this one since no one else is doing it. Can you interpret these word on your own? I'm getting mixed ideas on this, I can't tell whether you're trying to prove or disprove god.

If God does not exist then we wouldn't have not figured out there is something called 'God'. Since there is a name 'God', God must exist?

That is what the last part sounds like to me.
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Posted 4/8/12
Despite everything, i really do believe in God. I actually find it much easier to believe that an intelligent creator made the Earth with a purpose, instead of an extremely radical event such as the unpredictable smashing together of particles that just appeared out of thin air and all of it somehow leading to living, developed and capable organisms.
Believing in God would also explain why we have a sense of ethics, or what's right and what's wrong. I think that if we had really come strictly from evolution, ethics would have no place in anyone's ability to survive.

I know that there are a lot of arguments against God's existence that i could address, but i don't want to cause too much controversy. just sharing my opinions! haha thanks
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I get the weirdest feeling that this all started because someone needed help with their homework for critical thinking/philosophy/debate class.
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Posted 4/8/12

entropiCCycles wrote:




Here's what OP and I have managed to conclude so far.
Maybe this will help clarify the question.

Also, I'm kind of surprised by how many people have decided to step away from the originally intended topic, as OP specifically asked for people to refute the argument that they presented, not present additional perspectives on the general issue that this argument tries to answer. Maybe we could try to get back on track, here?



basically this. I mean, there isn't much more to say, is there? Without a more stringent definition of "greater", the premises are so vague that it's pretty much impossible to determine the truth value of the syllogism.

I also suspect that under any definition of greatness we could agree on, I would dispute the second premise (quite possibly the first as well).

So.../thread on page 2 or whatever?

Personally, though, I have little interest in or patience for purely philosophical arguments, which often seem to me to fall to the level of semantic wrangling -- while philosophy is obviously an important field, I prefer to discuss facts and empirical observations, and take certain philosophical axioms and notions as read.
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Posted 4/8/12

BlaculaKuchuki wrote:

I get the weirdest feeling that this all started because someone needed help with their homework for critical thinking/philosophy/debate class.


You don't think this is merely the honest outreach of a mind attempting to understand novel ideas? Weird.


You know, I really kind of wish CR had a rep system
Posted 4/8/12
Please, tell me I'm a robot, not a human.
Posted 4/8/12

pretendz0r wrote:


BlaculaKuchuki wrote:

I get the weirdest feeling that this all started because someone needed help with their homework for critical thinking/philosophy/debate class.


You don't think this is merely the honest outreach of a mind attempting to understand novel ideas? Weird.


You know, I really kind of wish CR had a rep system


You know, I really wish immature, self-involved fartknockers would learn to chill the hell out before making immature, self-involved fartknocker statements.

My suspicion was because the original post is directly from Anselm of Canterbury's proposal on God, which is considered to be sort of the grandfather of what we now consider the Ontological argument.

This proposal, and the discussion of ontological arguments in general, is pretty much 2nd month of any Philosophy or Logic 1a class. The nature of how the question was proposed on CR led me to this distinct suspicion.

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Posted 4/8/12
of course there is God..who created this complicated universe and humans then?
it created itself? BULLSHIT
you only deny His existence coz you wanna live life as you please like animals without restrictions and such...
Posted 4/8/12
She said it all.
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Posted 4/8/12

Bossy-Cat wrote:

of course there is God..who created this complicated universe and humans then?
it created itself? BULLSHIT
you only deny His existence coz you wanna live life as you please like animals without restrictions and such...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQhd05ZVYWg
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