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What is with Anime News Network reviews?
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Posted 4/2/12

AnimeKami wrote:

The best reviews are not written by others, but by yourself and how you view anime or any particular subject.



Wise words.
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Reviews are objective opinions on a certain level of enjoyment or use of product. The problem is most anime fans want nothing negative said about any anime series if it's something shitty like "A dark rabbit has seven lives or Twins Angels Twinkle Paradise". They objective opinions not facts and if I didn't like the latest harem anime "most are lazy piss poor eroge adapts now" then I will point that get the hell over it. No I don't write for ann but people keep thinking scores is all that matters in review not the overall written product it's self.


Don't get me wrong. I want the reviewers to be as true to themselves as possible in terms of creating an honest review, which is precisely why I think their reviews should be more integrated with the reviewer's personal views and less formal.


If you have even listened to half of reviewers we hate to use scores because that's all you care about and dwell on. you don't care about the flaws as in oreimo with an ungrateful sister or the fact kyouske should have slapped her back only once, my question to you is this.. can you write a non bias review for something you hate or don't care about?? I dare anyone to go out and watch kiss x sis or kankon "which i did like" and give it highly rated review.


I apologize if I misled you. I did not mean to imply that it is actually possible to write a review with no bias views. I just think that if an ANN reviewer does indeed possess a bias of some sort, they should make that clear in the review with phrases like "I think...," "I've never been one for..." or something like that.

I agree that slapping a letter grade on an anime is pretty messed up and pretty much solely exists so the reader has an excuse not to read most of the review. I would also prefer reviewers not having to do this, but unfortunately, society demands that all creative material be ranked whether it be by letter or number.
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Not sure on the part about "support without backup" as I'm pretty sure these reviewers have support when they carefully analyze various series as some of them are picked to analyze specific anime.


Sorry, should have been more specific. When I said that, I was speaking in terms of a college paper or something like that. I did not intend to imply that ANN critics should not reach their own conclusions from a personal analysis of the source material (the anime in review). In fact, I think quite the opposite. I just don't think the reviews have to be done in such a formal manner. I agree with you 100% that these ANN critics are pros which is where I find myself seeing a bit of a problem. Hypothetically speaking, if ANN ever went with my idea of using multiple reviewers, I would like their reviews to be less professional and more personal (if that makes any sense). However, as long as they use one critic per series, the professionalism is a must for a good review. It would also be handy if they had some sort of profile on the reviewers. You know, like a page where we can see what their interests are. Is there anything like that? That would be nice.
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A review for something artistic and creative is obviously someone's opinion. They shouldn't have to preface every sentence with, "in my opinion." There will obviously be bias, since anime isn't something like a coffee maker where you can point out, "this feature is broken" or completely objective things like that.

Having defended them, I don't read their reviews because the bulk of the staff seems to dislike certain genres and a show being that genre almost guarantees it to get a bad score, regardless of quality or merits of the series. I find most reviews to be pretty worthless in general though, regardless of where they are from. If a show is worth checking out, there will usually be buzz about it on the sites that visit. If I hear enough positive things from Twitter, Tumblr, forums, etc about a series that I wasn't planning on checking out, I'll give it a watch if it's streaming legally somewhere.
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The reason they have a limited number of people doing the reviews is because it is their JOB that they are paid to do. ANN is very strict on their reviewers. If the content and writing is not up to par, it will be edited over and over until it is to their standard and they do not get paid for it. Also, many of the reviewers also review for other magazines, and unless its an editorial, there is no first person POV.

Its not easy being a reviewer. Sure you get to watch anime and get paid for it, but have to watch a lot of bad anime as well as the good. You don't really have control over what you are assigned to view, and its their job to watch all of it, twice if it has dual audio with subs.


You seem to be under the impression that I blame the reviewers for these flaws. It is true that I did mention the critics a lot but they are not the ones I believe to be responsible. I think ANN's standards for reviewing anime need to change, not the opinions of the reviewers. In regards to my initial post, it may have been misinterpreted that I find the "ANN Critics" to be one of the four flaws I pointed out which was not my intent. The flaw is not within that of the reviewers but the way in which ANN chooses to implement them. I may not agree with all of ANN critics but I certainly do not hold anything against them because they are, as you said, doing what is expected of them.


Also, if you want another opinion, generally at ANN if it has a review then it also has a rating from viewers for the overall show, which is find to be a decent gauge to the quality of the show combined with the review.


I have never really cared much for the opinions of the ignorant masses. These critics are experienced people who know what they are talking about and I trust them over anything some commenter might say. If ANN reviewers were to comment on each others' reviews, that would intrigue me.
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A review for something artistic and creative is obviously someone's opinion. They shouldn't have to preface every sentence with, "in my opinion." There will obviously be bias, since anime isn't something like a coffee maker where you can point out, "this feature is broken" or completely objective things like that.

Having defended them, I don't read their reviews because the bulk of the staff seems to dislike certain genres and a show being that genre almost guarantees it to get a bad score, regardless of quality or merits of the series. I find most reviews to be pretty worthless in general though, regardless of where they are from. If a show is worth checking out, there will usually be buzz about it on the sites that visit. If I hear enough positive things from Twitter, Tumblr, forums, etc about a series that I wasn't planning on checking out, I'll give it a watch if it's streaming legally somewhere.


I understand and I agree that they shouldn't have to say such things every sentence, but why not every once in a while? Without key phrases like this, reviewers give the impression that the readers are wrong if they happen to disagree. This is just, in my opinion, a way to make the reviews less confrontational with the readers so the interests of both are less likely to conflict. In regards to your view of reviewing anime, I think I have to say that I majorly disagree. I think an anime can have plenty of "broken features," I find myself noticing them often by seeing ways in which something could have been way better.
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Cecilthedarkknight234
Reviews are objective opinions on a certain level of enjoyment or use of product. The problem is most anime fans want nothing negative said about any anime series if it's something shitty like "A dark rabbit has seven lives or Twins Angels Twinkle Paradise". They objective opinions not facts and if I didn't like the latest harem anime "most are lazy piss poor eroge adapts now" then I will point that get the hell over it. No I don't write for ann but people keep thinking scores is all that matters in review not the overall written product it's self.


Don't get me wrong. I want the reviewers to be as true to themselves as possible in terms of creating an honest review, which is precisely why I think their reviews should be more integrated with the reviewer's personal views and less formal.


If you have even listened to half of reviewers we hate to use scores because that's all you care about and dwell on. you don't care about the flaws as in oreimo with an ungrateful sister or the fact kyouske should have slapped her back only once, my question to you is this.. can you write a non bias review for something you hate or don't care about?? I dare anyone to go out and watch kiss x sis or kankon "which i did like" and give it highly rated review.


I apologize if I misled you. I did not mean to imply that it is actually possible to write a review with no bias views. I just think that if an ANN reviewer does indeed possess a bias of some sort, they should make that clear in the review with phrases like "I think...," "I've never been one for..." or something like that.

I agree that slapping a letter grade on an anime is pretty messed up and pretty much solely exists so the reader has an excuse not to read most of the review. I would also prefer reviewers not having to do this, but unfortunately, society demands that all creative material be ranked whether it be by letter or number.



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It's giving me this flashback when I see stuff (threads) like this: Carl Kimlinger's review of the first series (Nanoha) gave it a C-:
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Personally I don't like the ANN reviews... actually... I don't like reviews period. I'd much rather have a community based overall rating or a one or two sentence I liked it or didn't like it and then you can look for those same people in the future based on what similar tastes you share.

I think in the world of subjective things like anime, games, music etc there are too few objective points that someone can review, and often times those objective points fly out the window and fans don't care about them if other parts line up. A game example would be Xenogears... the controls were terrible, graphics actually made the controls even harder to deal with, but the story was amazing, for me, and I got over the control and camera problems.

I read a few reviews a couple years back on ANN... all I got out of it was that the person writing the review thought they could do a better job and they personally didn't like what they were reviewing, not based on objective criteria, and so the show got a low score.

Really in the end, unless it's only available to buy and there is money on the line, I find out from the community from other people who share the same taste in anime as I do or I just find out for myself. I can't tell you how many times I've seen scores or reviews that say something is one way, and it's the complete opposite.

I did at one point in time write a review on Sket Dance... it was just to vent about my hatred for the show and it wouldn't fit into a single comment so I was forced to do it there.

Reviewers, critics... just one pile of worthlessness to me... you'll never be able to eliminate all bias and subjectivity, which makes them all pointless.
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