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The Best Time to be an Animé Fan Was 2002-2007
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I believe it is a great time to be anime fan in North America because of the easy access to legal streams, DVDs, and other anime related merchandise.


When I started to watch anime, it was very difficult to find anything. Now we are streaming series hours or days after their initial showing. I feel nostalgic about some of the old titles and have some on DVD, but I can't say one period is better than another.
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I disagree some with the OP, and I have to correct at least one of his assumptions. I will say that best period of quality is subjective, and there were many fine series that aired during 2002-2007 including my favorite, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya

The best time to be an anime fan is now, possibly followed by tomorrow(in the general sense of the word). A fan can watch a good varitety of series hours after they air in Japan, something they really couldn't do in 2007 unless they downloaded or torrented fansubs but really fansubs depended on their deadlines and their egos and their interest so some titles that could have gained a following didn't reach through. Today, anime fans are getting a wide variety of anime that even the fansubbers probably wouldn't have carried back in 2007. Plus, people can actually support the anime industry AND get their shows within a decent time frame. Yeah, Crunchyroll certainly makes the best time for an anime fan to be now.

As far as Haibane , if you actually did some research, you would have found out that Funimation was having a very difficult time of getting Geneon Universal titles and they are just now getting those materials. Projected sales had nothing to do with it, so that's one strawman argument that's done with.

And anybody who spouts sweeping generalizations about fans of a particular genre and says "weeaboo scum" automatically loses the argument. And yes, I have seen Dance in the Vampire Bund and it sucked(pun intended). But I don't have any particular issues with the changing tastes of Japanese otaku(you know, the people who keep the anime industry in business), and thus we fundimentally disagree in that regard. Also, I get annoyed when people who haven't seen K-On bash it because they have a preconceived notion of the series(which I may add has many female fans in Japan in addition to otaku)
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You really have no idea, do you?

You, sir, are an elitist. You only acknowledge shows you believe to be worthy or masterpieces and that anything else is garbage and thus the ones who watch them are garbage. Only your opinion matters. That's all you are doing here.

And I'm not here to defend or acclaim any shows, but rather, personal taste.

Just because you can't sit there and watch a show and enjoy it because you're too high on your horse doesn't mean the people who do are garbage. And it makes them no less a fan than you. This was just discussed in a separate thread. A fan of anime, in the true form of the definition, is a follower. A follower.

But to be quite honest, while I have seen some of the anime on that list, they don't strike me as any more impressive than earlier or later released shows. But that's my personal opinion.

I simply like to be entertained by anime, I don't care if it's obscure or popular, or if it's amazing or bad to someone else, but you can't stand here bashing people's opinion's when you can't even stand on the same ground as them.

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There will always be that one guy that likes that one anime that everyone hates.

haruhi is a mediocre anime for people who think otherwise, good concept bad execution.


And there will always be that one guy who hates what everyone else loves, in this case you.

I like how your first statement seems to imply that everyone is entitled to their opinion, while your second statement claims that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.
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Stop calling him an elitist. That implies he's good at something.
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LOL.

So basically, this is just another "please validate my beliefs" topic.



Mayhaps "weeaboo scum" was too harsh a descriptor.

Let me put it this way, with examples for the types of shows I listed.

I don't like moéblob shows like K-On! at all. I'm not, however, going to rant that they're ruining the industry with their plotless material. If someone wants to watch them, and enjoys them, that's fine with me. There's enough shows with actual substance instead of fluff coming out to negate their presence for me.

When it comes to people who watch fanservice romps--people who actually watch Queen's Blade, Qwaser of Stigmata, ToLoveRu, Dance in the Vampire Bund, and the like--they really are scum. They're disgusting. This isn't me being an elitist asshole. This is a fact. At that point, you might as well just go watch porn or legitimate hentai. It's just as intellectually stimulating as that garbage, without hiding under the guise of being not-quite-porn.

Lastly, shounen romps. Shows like Naruto, Bleach, Gintama, Fairy Tail. You know what I'm talking about. They're obscenely popular. I believe that anyone who says that those types of shows are the "greatest things ever" haven't really experienced the rest of what animé has to offer. When I was a freshman in high-school, I thought that watching Naruto on YouTube was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I simply hadn't gone out and watched quality, deep, meaningful shows. I was naíve. They are too. Yes, these high-schoolers who flip out over Gintama are weeaboos, but we were all weeaboos in high school. So I don't judge them much. I just try to introduce them to real shows.

The problem I have with them, though, is their habits when it comes to actually consuming animé. They all watch the same shows, and it's all online. None of them spend a dime on actually supporting the industry; they're killing the DVD market for real collectors. Example: FUNimation licensed Haibane Renmei back in 2010, saving it from when Geneon collapsed. It's one of the greatest emotional, artistic masterpieces ever produced--to the point where it puts even Clannad to shame. They have yet to actually release it on DVD and it's been two years, because they know it won't sell, because no one wants to buy quality shows from the past on DVD when they can watch new shows online. It bothers me immensely.


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Well, everyone is entitled to their opinions, no matter how wrong they are. ;)

Anyway, I refuse to get too wrapped up in nostalgia. Yes, you could argue that such-and-such period of time was the best/worst ever, but I don't think there's much point in that. I prefer to look forward to new seasons and new shows. You never know what surprises are in store! :)



dokudokugwo wrote:
Nostalgia was the first word that came to mind when reading this thread... I'm sure I could go back in time and pick my favorite series from that time period as well, er I mean... "best" titles... I mean really, give me a break, in my own opinion there are a lot of garbage titles on that list... but that's exactly why, as you said, there is no point in arguing it.



It's not simply nostalgia. I watch shows from years past again and again, and show them to people who haven't heard of them, all the time. My favourite thing to do is to introduce people to quality animé that they haven't seen before, and to think about what people might like based on their preferences in current material.

Nostalgia is going, "Oh, I loved Digimon when I was a kid, I wanna watch it again!" in spite of it being a kid's show full of lame puns that make you cringe nowadays. Recognizing and immortalizing quality entertainment is another thing all together. For instance, you may have simply bypassed CrunchyRoll's announcement the other day that Discotek is going to be releasing Captain Harlock on DVD, but I flipped the hell out and yelled about it to everyone I know. Captain Harlock was a MONUMENTAL series in the world of animé, and has never seen a proper, modern release.

The only newer shows that I'm interested in are the new Space Battleship Yamato, Lupin III, Eureka Seven, and Fate/zero. All of which are related to previously established series'. Nothing else lives up to the legacy of past shows these days. I would much rather dig through decade old content to find gems that I may have missed than watch new animé. Because, hey, it's new to me.


dokudokugwo wrote:
I'd actually also argue just based on how quickly we get anime, how it's free/cheap through streaming or DVD's, that RIGHT NOW is the best time to be an anime fan. I remember 2002-2007... $30 a DVD... no way to preview the content other than a terribly cut together preview that was meant to hype even the crappiest of shows... ever era has it's great titles, even in recent years... but the difference is I'm not stuck paying and arm and a leg for a title I've never seen a single episode of.


You make a very good point about the ease of previewing series' nowadays, but that also applies to people being able to check out those shows from the past that they've never seen. I just watched the first two episodes of The Irresponsible Captain Tylor for free on the official YouTube page (a wonderful show from 1993), and that convinced me to buy the DVD. People need to go back and check out older titles more often.

Also, I love the old concept of buying the first DVD for a series that comes with a big artbox for the rest of them, and you slowly fill up the box as the series is released. It's a lot of fun.


Not to bash your opinion for I respect it, but there's something wrong with your post. First off, the following words ARE opinions, NOT facts (substance is a slight exception. It has definitions in which some can be used as facts and others are opinions): quality, disgusting, scum, deep, meaningful and real are 100% biased. Ask anyone in your local college who has taken English comprehension courses like myself and they'll tell you no different. Even your second paragraph is an opinion, not a fact. You CANNOT--I repeat--CANNOT turn your opinions into facts. That's what manipulators, politicians, and ppl with a high school mentality (not lumping you with any of the 3). No one will take your opinion seriously if you haven't thought things through. I'll have you know that I once made an ass of myself on YouTube for trying to turn my opinions into facts thinking thanks to my former overly biased way of thinking back then. I learned my lesson the hard way.

And now for the 2nd paragraph:

-I can understand ecchi isn't your cup of tea, but I've watched some of the male fanservice romps you listed without any problems (my tastes are dictated by the characters and not the stupid things like "quality" or genres--that goes for female fanservice romps, too) and they have characters with difficulties, personal problems, and tragic/dark moments. In Queen's Blade, one of the characters dies by her best friend's hands (not spoiling away names). And in Sekirei, lots of fighters male and female "die" for lack of a better word in battle, making their friends really teary on the eyes or seek out revenge. So guess what, even they can have surprisingly meaningful moments as much as some of the shounens you disliked. No, I'm not convincing you to watch something you don't like, but judging the book by the cover based on genre only isn't helpful either (that's an error I've regrettably made on my experience).

-I see Chobits (which is an ecchi), Elfen Lied, and Gantz on your lists, yet I don't see you complaining about the fanservice they have regardless of how much. I also find it odd that you withstood the nudity in Elfen Lied and Gantz. Fullmetal Panic Fumoffu even had an ECCHI hot springs episode. So if you're ok with those that you praised, have you thought hard before looking down on the so-called scum that liked the anime you didn't enjoy? You can bash any anime anytime you want--no problem with that. But bashing on the faithful fans is another story-- it still counts being an asshole no matter what excuse you make.

-You can claim not being an "elitist asshole" but the way you word out your opinion doesn't defend it at all. Not thinking twice before dissing on others without a reason is also another way of being an asshole. And you don't have to have a superiority complex to being an elitist. There is another way--by looking down on others like calling them "scum" and "disgusting". Just because there are ppl that like something you don't doesn't give you any right to piss on them. That's very immature. The same goes for anyone that gives BL fans a hard time for that (and I sympathize with them).

Here's a fact that everyone can universally agree: Your personal taste is a matter of your opinion alone.

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Stop calling him an elitist. That implies he's good at something.


Damn.







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Here's a fact that everyone can universally agree: Your personal taste is a matter of your opinion alone.



/thread.



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meygaera wrote:

Stop calling him an elitist. That implies he's good at something.


He's good at trolling, judging by the responses.
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deadpanditto wrote:


meygaera wrote:

Stop calling him an elitist. That implies he's good at something.


He's good at trolling, judging by the responses. :)


Nah. Trolls have no souls LOL.
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meygaera wrote:

Stop calling him an elitist. That implies he's good at something.


Damn.







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Here's a fact that everyone can universally agree: Your personal taste is a matter of your opinion alone.



/thread.





Where'd you get that coffee smiling gift?! XD
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AnimeKami wrote:

There will always be that one guy that likes that one anime that everyone hates.

haruhi is a mediocre anime for people who think otherwise, good concept bad execution.


And there will always be that one guy who hates what everyone else loves, in this case you.

I like how your first statement seems to imply that everyone is entitled to their opinion, while your second statement claims that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.


Don't get me wrong, I think everyone should have his or her opinion, but it doesn't mean they are necessary right.

There is a difference between respecting someones opinion and the values of an opinion.
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If you became an anime fan around 2002-2007, your tastes in anime will be more refined in the sense that you know what works for you or not. You end up becoming pickier each year or probably every season. When watching it's not hard to come up with comparisons to the gemstones of the past. So that's probably why one would think old animes are good. There will always be hits and misses every year. Either way, what you like will really be based on subjective terms.
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meygaera wrote:

Stop calling him an elitist. That implies he's good at something.


My bad, any way I can change that now?
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rvenissI don't like moéblob shows like K-On! at all. I'm not, however, going to rant that they're ruining the industry with their plotless material. If someone wants to watch them, and enjoys them, that's fine with me. There's enough shows with actual substance instead of fluff coming out to negate their presence for me.

When it comes to people who watch fanservice romps--people who actually watch Queen's Blade, Qwaser of Stigmata, ToLoveRu, Dance in the Vampire Bund, and the like--they really are scum. They're disgusting. This isn't me being an elitist asshole. This is a fact. At that point, you might as well just go watch porn or legitimate hentai. It's just as intellectually stimulating as that garbage, without hiding under the guise of being not-quite-porn.

Lastly, shounen romps. Shows like Naruto, Bleach, Gintama, Fairy Tail. You know what I'm talking about. They're obscenely popular. I believe that anyone who says that those types of shows are the "greatest things ever" haven't really experienced the rest of what animé has to offer. When I was a freshman in high-school, I thought that watching Naruto on YouTube was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I simply hadn't gone out and watched quality, deep, meaningful shows. I was naíve. They are too. Yes, these high-schoolers who flip out over Gintama are weeaboos, but we were all weeaboos in high school. So I don't judge them much. I just try to introduce them to real shows.


I'm gonna stop ya there, since I'm sure this point has already been beat to death. Not every anime or manga can have "plot" as you call it. If it's entertaining, people will watch it.

Yes, I watched K-On. I probably watched about 15 other series at the same time.

I could care less about popular anime. However, I've been watching Bleach and Naruto since their premier. I agree that they are not the best things ever. However, when I was in high school, ya know what the big thing at the time was? DBZ. DBZ is awesome. Again, not one of the best, but it was pretty damn good.

Fanservice .... yes, you are still an elitist prick saying it like that. Out of the hundreds of series I've watched, I could probably count on two hands how many were fanservice. If you mean full nudity, probably less. Elfen Leid had nudity, if I remember right? Awesome anime. Gonna completely discount it cause of nudity? Idiotic prude.

Like what you like, don't like what you don't like. Get off your high horse.

And my all time favorite anime didn't even make your list.
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Muledragon wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:

There will always be that one guy that likes that one anime that everyone hates.

haruhi is a mediocre anime for people who think otherwise, good concept bad execution.


And there will always be that one guy who hates what everyone else loves, in this case you.

I like how your first statement seems to imply that everyone is entitled to their opinion, while your second statement claims that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.


Don't get me wrong, I think everyone should have his or her opinion, but it doesn't mean they are necessary right.

There is a difference between respecting someones opinion and the values of an opinion.


It's the same thing, man. You're still saying that your opinion is the "right" one.
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