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@SpiritBeam716 - Here is another way to look at it:

I feel that both Tsubaki and Urabe were a bit taken aback by the events of Episode 8. Tsubaki because he still perceives himself as crossing a line that he shouldn't have crossed and making Urabe cry. Urabe because, while she truly enjoyed the sensation, she is still extremely shy about physical contact. I think that something like that would be likely to make Tsubaki more timid. He would be afraid that he would lose control again. After all, despite the fact that Urabe told him she didn't mind the sensation, she didn't exactly explain to Tsubaki that she really enjoyed it either, and his pinching her ear at the end still made tears come to her eyes, which is going to be a warning signal to him, regardless of the fact that the tears are really symbolic of ... something else ... if you understand my meaning... If Urabe had initiated a hug or snuggled with him or something, then he might feel that he was OK becoming more aggressive, but the fact remains that he perceives her as being more likely to pull out the panty-scissors if he makes a move as opposed to melting in his arms.

As for the possessiveness, I don't think that Tsubaki is particularly proud of that either, but it is what it is. He felt threatened by the fact that other guys were talking about asking his girl out.

The reason that they are keeping their relationship a secret hasn't actually been clearly stated, but I seem to recall a comment in the manga at some point that suggested it was more Urabe's idea than Tsubaki. (Or at least Tsubaki wondering to himself why they decided to keep it a secret in the first place.)

[BTW, one of the things that MGX is criticized for is reverse sexism. The way Urabe treats Tsubaki, if the genders were reversed, would frequently cross the line and be considered abusive. It suffers from the "It's OK because it is the guy that is the victim" syndrome. The mangaka actually made a set of 4-koma as extras for one of the manga volumes with the genders reversed. It was quite funny, but most of the panels ended with the female Tsubaki running away yelling "Sexual Harassment!" or something like that. In a sense, the possessiveness is another example of this. Possessive guy = creepy and weak, possessive girl = assertive. In many ways, Urabe's inability to open up to others, including Tsubaki, is the biggest stumbling block in the relationship.]



All good points, views and opinions duly noted!
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To TheRealEscargot, you stated ep 9 had good character development. I didn't see much of that myself, but I'm interested in your opinion on how any characters personalities may've further evolved.
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Might anyone know of another anime similar to MGX that you might recommend?
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Might anyone know of another anime similar to MGX that you might recommend?


From the top of my head right now, I'd say Bakemonogatari and Karin.
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I can't speak for TheRealEscargot, but my take on the character development issue is:

1) The level of jealousy and possessiveness displayed by Tsubaki is a new thing. It shows a side of his personality that was heretofore not seen. Up to this point, he seemed to be a pretty laid back guy. Even when another guy was busy asking his girlfriend out, it upset him, he wondered why she didn't just reject him outright, since they were dating, but he also worried that it might be because she was seriously considering the other guy. Basically, he was uncertain of her feelings for him, and fairly low on self-esteem. Now, several months into their relationship, he doesn't have that problem. Instead, when he hears other guys talking about how cute she is and saying they might ask her out, he fumes and has the urge to shout, "That's my girlfriend you're talkin' about! Have some respect, and, by the way, there ain't no way in hell she would go out with you!" (OK, he might not have thought all those things, but that is the gist of his position.) This shows a greater degree of commitment to the relationship, a greater degree of self-esteem (he doesn't question whether he is the right guy for Urabe anymore), and a bit of a passionate side we haven't seen from him. (Passion misdirected into jealousy and anger, but it is still there.)

2) Urabe shows more commitment to the relationship and more passion, for a lack of a better word. Earlier, she had demonstrated to Tsubaki that she believed in the bond between them, that she got more pleasure from her walks with him than she would from competing in sports, and that she is opening up, ever so slowly, to a more intimate, physical relationship. She had also indicated that, if he were to choose his ex-crush over her for some reason, she would not be angry, but would be intensely sad. This indicates that she is into him and enjoys his company, but stops short of passion. When she got angry about the idol photo book, she was displaying, in an inappropriate and overly possessive way, the fact that she is passionate about him. She is his girlfriend! Some idol, even if she looks like her, is not an appropriate substitute! This is a new twist on Urabe's character. She had seemed quite indifferent and stand-offish to a certain extent. Now it is clear that she is just as into him as he is into her. Otherwise, she wouldn't get upset over something like a photo book of an idol.

3) Early in the episode, Tsubaki is thinking that it would be nice if Urabe would pay more attention to her hair, but after his little possessiveness fit, and she has him help her put her hair back to normal, he comes to the realization that he really prefers her hair just like it normally is. Sure, his initial gut reaction to have her change back to her regular style had more to do with jealousy, but he after that, he realized that he doesn't want to change Urabe, he likes her just the way she is. That shows a good deal of growth on his part.
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To Lorreen

"I was really liking this show, but that possessiveness in episode 9? Big ick. (Yes, ickier than drool licking)."

Personally I liked Urabe's possessiveness with Tsubaki as she reassured him that he has no need for a look-a-like idol in a magazine when he has her totally.

But the way Tsubaki exercised his possessiveness through his insecurity to her by telling her to go back to her awkward hair style was disturbing.

At this point I'm beginning to see more "character" in the supporting cast members that surround Tsubaki rather than the way his charater is currently written as that of a cowardly possessive and indesisive pansy .


Urabe's response to the idol-magazine thing is perhaps more complex than Tusabaki's possessive action regarding her hairstyle--I wasn't sure exactly how to take it, but it still bothered me--it just seemed so unpleasantly controlling (and much as I love the panty scissors, I guess I have this thing about destruction of one's intimate-companion's stuff). I hadn't thought of it as "reassurance" though--I guess that is another, and more positive, way to see it.

Offsetting the "icky" possessiveness though was the eroticism of the hair-mussing. Um, yeah. That was good stuff.
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Zensunni wrote:

I feel that both Tsubaki and Urabe were a bit taken aback by the events of Episode 8. Tsubaki because he still perceives himself as crossing a line that he shouldn't have crossed and making Urabe cry. Urabe because, while she truly enjoyed the sensation, she is still extremely shy about physical contact. I think that something like that would be likely to make Tsubaki more timid. He would be afraid that he would lose control again. After all, despite the fact that Urabe told him she didn't mind the sensation, she didn't exactly explain to Tsubaki that she really enjoyed it either, and his pinching her ear at the end still made tears come to her eyes, which is going to be a warning signal to him, regardless of the fact that the tears are really symbolic of ... something else ... if you understand my meaning... If Urabe had initiated a hug or snuggled with him or something, then he might feel that he was OK becoming more aggressive, but the fact remains that he perceives her as being more likely to pull out the panty-scissors if he makes a move as opposed to melting in his arms.

As for the possessiveness, I don't think that Tsubaki is particularly proud of that either, but it is what it is. He felt threatened by the fact that other guys were talking about asking his girl out.

The reason that they are keeping their relationship a secret hasn't actually been clearly stated, but I seem to recall a comment in the manga at some point that suggested it was more Urabe's idea than Tsubaki. (Or at least Tsubaki wondering to himself why they decided to keep it a secret in the first place.)

[BTW, one of the things that MGX is criticized for is reverse sexism. The way Urabe treats Tsubaki, if the genders were reversed, would frequently cross the line and be considered abusive. It suffers from the "It's OK because it is the guy that is the victim" syndrome. The mangaka actually made a set of 4-koma as extras for one of the manga volumes with the genders reversed. It was quite funny, but most of the panels ended with the female Tsubaki running away yelling "Sexual Harassment!" or something like that. In a sense, the possessiveness is another example of this. Possessive guy = creepy and weak, possessive girl = assertive. In many ways, Urabe's inability to open up to others, including Tsubaki, is the biggest stumbling block in the relationship.]




Couldn't agree with you more. There aren't many men who wouldn't be at least a little jealous if someone started talking about asking his girlfriend out. And let's be honest, they're both possessive of each other. Only difference is that one's a male and the other's a female-in other words: double standard.
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I did not watch and got "eww.."

I watched for the ANN review and I hardly ever agree with them...

I did enjoy the 'old school design."

I watched until.. episode 4, maybe.
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To Lorreen

To be honest, the ecchi in me was looking for a reason to say there was a underlying erotic significance to the "hair messing" in ep 9. But besides the fact that a scalpe message feels good, I'm at a bit of a loss to find eroticsm in it.

Perhaps to say that messed up hair looks like "just got out of bed hair" or"after sex " hair might be possible .

Considering this is a 12 episode series then things better pick-up fast to bring a climatic ending or it could end flat with finally a kiss between Urabe & Tsubaki , or it may be dragged out for a season 2 release.
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12 episodes...

I think it just hit me where they are going to end on.

chapter 28-34 probably has enough material to do episodes 10-12 and that would be a heck on an arc to end the season with. If I am right the next 3 episodes should all be 1 story arc.
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12 episodes...

I think it just hit me where they are going to end on.

chapter 28-34 probably has enough material to do episodes 10-12 and that would be a heck on an arc to end the season with. If I am right the next 3 episodes should all be 1 story arc.

My bet is that they will do those chapters in 2 episodes, then either do chapters 35 and 36 to end the season, or do the "Mysterious Big Sister" and "Mysterious Memory" chapters. There is also an OAD coming out with Volume 9 of the Tankōbon. I hope Sentai manages to get the rights to include that as an extra in their release of the anime!
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Greylurker wrote:

12 episodes...

I think it just hit me where they are going to end on.

chapter 28-34 probably has enough material to do episodes 10-12 and that would be a heck on an arc to end the season with. If I am right the next 3 episodes should all be 1 story arc.


I haven't read the manga but you have peaked my interest on your theory of how the season may end. Is there a way you can " private message" me what occurs in those issues?
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Episode 10

I don't get, why the hell you still buying those magazines Tsubaki? Anyways, blast from the past:



Some rendezvous at the park But anyways, this girl...I doubt she has any feelings for Tsubaki-kun. I'm guessing she's just using him as a substitute or even worse, to make Urabe jealous for God-knows what reasons.

Dat temptation:



Ya, this chick definitely has a plan...an evil one at that. Inb4 catfight.

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Oh man,,, I feel like a kid at Christmas non-patiently awaiting ep 10 just hours away.. And the spoiler pics are great!! Kudo's goes out to Stark 700 on this post.
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Oh man,,, I feel like a kid at Christmas non-patiently awaiting ep 10 just hours away.. And the spoiler pics are great!! Kudo's goes out to Stark 700 on this post.


Thanks, I predict a catfight next time
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