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Check Bones' Astral Ocean website, Wikipedia already has many inconsistencies.

The new Nirvash is almost certainly typeZERO. Each subsequent episode only serves to reinforce this to where it is becoming hard to doubt it. All LFOs consisted of archetypes whether IFOs do or not is questionable, however, the new Nirvash at least has to have an archetype. It has the same design as typeZERO only with some changes to make it compatible with the current world seeing as trapars are no longer an optimal source of energy. The spaces were on its back, it would have been simple enough to fill that space and turn the new Nirvash into a single-seater.
Episode 50 aside, Kōkyōshihen had a good ending. How often does the antagonist actually accomplish their goals at the end of the day? It was only on Eureka's whim that succeeded in preventing Dewey's plan from being carried out in full. There is a bit more to it, but I don't find it necessary to try and offer such an explanation. I liked Eureka Seven because there isn't too much emphasis on the action sequences. It all comes down to the characters and their relationship at the end of the day.

I've already noticed kajanan is biased and has very little interest or appreciation for the depth in the series. Action always comes second compared to the driving force of the series, besides few anime are as politically driven as say Ghost in the Shell. Politics tend to annoy me after extended viewings, I had to watch the Ghost in the Shell series with breaks in between, otherwise it would have driven me insane. Nonetheless it is a good series with many references, realistic behavior, and excellent use of foreshadowing.
Take it for what it is. Don't need anymore mainstream bullshit that sucks in every department. To those who didn't like "Wish upon a Star" there is always New Order if you care enough to find it. Much more tragic if that is the type of ending you so desire. Frankly, it is better than than episode 50, but that is just my opinion, of course.
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Check Bones' Astral Ocean website, Wikipedia already has many inconsistencies.

The new Nirvash is almost certainly typeZERO. Each subsequent episode only serves to reinforce this to where it is becoming hard to doubt it. All LFOs consisted or archetypes whether IFOs do or not is questionable, however, the new Nirvash at least has to have an archetype. It has the same design as typeZERO only with some changes to make it compatible with the current world seeing as trapars are no longer an optimal source of energy. The spaces were on its back, it would have been simple enough to fill that space and turn the new Nirvash into a single-seater.
Episode 50 aside, Kōkyōshihen had a good ending. How often does the antagonist actually accomplish their goals at the end of the day? It was only on Eureka's whim that succeeded in preventing Dewey's plan from being carried out in full. There is a bit more to it, but I don't find it necessary to try and offer such an explanation. I liked Eureka Seven because there isn't too much emphasis on the action sequences. It all comes down to the characters and their relationship at the end of the day.

I've already noticed kajanan is biased and has very little interest or appreciation for the depth in the series. Action always comes second compared to the driving force of the series, besides few anime are as politically driven as say Ghost in the Shell. Politics tend to annoy after extended viewings, I had to watch the Ghost in the Shell series with break in between before it drove me insane. Nonetheless it is a good series with many references, realistic behavior, and excellent use of foreshadowing.
Take it for what it is. Don't need anymore mainstream bullshit that sucks in every department. To those who didn't like "Wish upon a Star" there is always New Order if you care enough to find it. Much more tragic if that is the type of ending you so desire. Frankly, it is better than than episode 50, but that is just my opinion, of course.


ahhh yes that is very highly true that some people don't appricate the complexity of the plot. when i first started watching Eureka Seven or Ghost in the Shell it was very hard for me to grasp the complex plot but after going through it over and over again i realized the complex plot in a much better understanding comparded to when i first saw it. but as to the characters of the AO series i know for a down right fact that the possiblity of Holland and Talho's child may show up sometime in the new series, and that we'll know what happened to Renton and Eureka later on but what of Gekkostate? i know they couldn't have possibly called it quits right there and then... so my question is do u think that maybe just maybe they signed on as a group with the Americans or another country like Generation Bleu?
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Izual wrote:

Check Bones' Astral Ocean website, Wikipedia already has many inconsistencies.

The new Nirvash is almost certainly typeZERO. Each subsequent episode only serves to reinforce this to where it is becoming hard to doubt it. All LFOs consisted or archetypes whether IFOs do or not is questionable, however, the new Nirvash at least has to have an archetype. It has the same design as typeZERO only with some changes to make it compatible with the current world seeing as trapars are no longer an optimal source of energy. The spaces were on its back, it would have been simple enough to fill that space and turn the new Nirvash into a single-seater.
Episode 50 aside, Kōkyōshihen had a good ending. How often does the antagonist actually accomplish their goals at the end of the day? It was only on Eureka's whim that succeeded in preventing Dewey's plan from being carried out in full. There is a bit more to it, but I don't find it necessary to try and offer such an explanation. I liked Eureka Seven because there isn't too much emphasis on the action sequences. It all comes down to the characters and their relationship at the end of the day.

I've already noticed kajanan is biased and has very little interest or appreciation for the depth in the series. Action always comes second compared to the driving force of the series, besides few anime are as politically driven as say Ghost in the Shell. Politics tend to annoy after extended viewings, I had to watch the Ghost in the Shell series with break in between before it drove me insane. Nonetheless it is a good series with many references, realistic behavior, and excellent use of foreshadowing.
Take it for what it is. Don't need anymore mainstream bullshit that sucks in every department. To those who didn't like "Wish upon a Star" there is always New Order if you care enough to find it. Much more tragic if that is the type of ending you so desire. Frankly, it is better than than episode 50, but that is just my opinion, of course.


ahhh yes that is very highly true that some people don't appricate the complexity of the plot. when i first started watching Eureka Seven or Ghost in the Shell it was very hard for me to grasp the complex plot but after going through it over and over again i realized the complex plot in a much better understanding comparded to when i first saw it. but as to the characters of the AO series i know for a down right fact that the possiblity of Holland and Talho's child may show up sometime in the new series, and that we'll know what happened to Renton and Eureka later on but what of Gekkostate? i know they couldn't have possibly called it quits right there and then... so my question is do u think that maybe just maybe they signed on as a group with the Americans or another country like Generation Bleu?


Ghost in the Shell is mostly riddled with political jargon, the plot itself isn't as wholly complex as it may at first appear. Eureka Seven is much lighter on politics but they are as essential to Eureka Seven's plot as it was for Ghost in the Shell. There is a big deviation between the two works, one is about the characters themselves while the other is more about the political world influences.
I could really care less for Holland and Talho's kid mostly because of the parent's obnoxious and harmful behavior. They both mistreated Renton quite severely and to an extent they each preyed upon Eureka, Talho obviously more so. These characters were absolutely essential to the original and I can't picture Eureka Seven without them, however, as it stands it seems AO is trying to get some solid foundation for its own plot.

In episode 5 we see a logo that look quite familiar and in the manga at least you see it again. If you ever took the time to stop and notice all the little details you would see that the logo on Eureka's shoulder varies quite a bit. The logo has changed about 3-4 times and the Gekkostate logo is present in the AO manga. In the AO anime there is a rally with a logo using the letters "GS" with several DJs rallying the crowd.
Gekkostate most likely won't have such a significant impact anymore, however, they've left a legacy behind them. When Ao gets closer to discovering Eureka he will inevitably stumble across some familiar faces since who else would have some knowledge of Eureka to share? Ao is likely going to learn a bit of Eureka's past at least and perhaps some of Renton's if he is lucky. The closest faction Gekkostate could be influencing is The United Okinawan Archipelago but we simply can't say as of now.

AO is drastically different from Kōkyōshihen, however, there are so many nostalgic elements it makes it fairly relatable. My only advice when it comes to tying the two series' together is to have patience. I know more about Eureka Seven than I'd like to admit sometimes, but like everyone else I'm limited to the weekly releases by Bones. Only Bones can give us the answers we desire and that is going to be a ways off. I've my suspicion that Eureka was involved with Generation Bleu previously especially given Christophe Blanc and Ivica Tanovic both knew about her.
The RA272 Nirvash was the first IFO ever and the only which seems to use a board. In addition, the uniform Eureka was wearing as she fell looking vaguely familiar to the suits that Generation Bleu's teams wear. Of course, her's was unique and had distinguishing features, but the uniform was fairly similar. For all we know it is Eureka's involvement that drove Christophe Blanc to decide to conduct research on the Scub Coral.
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madmike666 wrote:


Izual wrote:

Check Bones' Astral Ocean website, Wikipedia already has many inconsistencies.

The new Nirvash is almost certainly typeZERO. Each subsequent episode only serves to reinforce this to where it is becoming hard to doubt it. All LFOs consisted or archetypes whether IFOs do or not is questionable, however, the new Nirvash at least has to have an archetype. It has the same design as typeZERO only with some changes to make it compatible with the current world seeing as trapars are no longer an optimal source of energy. The spaces were on its back, it would have been simple enough to fill that space and turn the new Nirvash into a single-seater.
Episode 50 aside, Kōkyōshihen had a good ending. How often does the antagonist actually accomplish their goals at the end of the day? It was only on Eureka's whim that succeeded in preventing Dewey's plan from being carried out in full. There is a bit more to it, but I don't find it necessary to try and offer such an explanation. I liked Eureka Seven because there isn't too much emphasis on the action sequences. It all comes down to the characters and their relationship at the end of the day.

I've already noticed kajanan is biased and has very little interest or appreciation for the depth in the series. Action always comes second compared to the driving force of the series, besides few anime are as politically driven as say Ghost in the Shell. Politics tend to annoy after extended viewings, I had to watch the Ghost in the Shell series with break in between before it drove me insane. Nonetheless it is a good series with many references, realistic behavior, and excellent use of foreshadowing.
Take it for what it is. Don't need anymore mainstream bullshit that sucks in every department. To those who didn't like "Wish upon a Star" there is always New Order if you care enough to find it. Much more tragic if that is the type of ending you so desire. Frankly, it is better than than episode 50, but that is just my opinion, of course.


ahhh yes that is very highly true that some people don't appricate the complexity of the plot. when i first started watching Eureka Seven or Ghost in the Shell it was very hard for me to grasp the complex plot but after going through it over and over again i realized the complex plot in a much better understanding comparded to when i first saw it. but as to the characters of the AO series i know for a down right fact that the possiblity of Holland and Talho's child may show up sometime in the new series, and that we'll know what happened to Renton and Eureka later on but what of Gekkostate? i know they couldn't have possibly called it quits right there and then... so my question is do u think that maybe just maybe they signed on as a group with the Americans or another country like Generation Bleu?


Ghost in the Shell is mostly riddled with political jargon, the plot itself isn't as wholly complex as it may at first appear. Eureka Seven is much lighter on politics but they are as essential to Eureka Seven's plot as it was for Ghost in the Shell. There is a big deviation between the two works, one is about the characters themselves while the other is more about the political world influences.
I could really care less for Holland and Talho's kid mostly because of the parent's obnoxious and harmful behavior. They both mistreated Renton quite severely and to an extent they each preyed upon Eureka, Talho obviously more so. These characters were absolutely essential to the original and I can't picture Eureka Seven without them, however, as it stands it seems AO is trying to get some solid foundation for its own plot.

In episode 5 we see a logo that look quite familiar and in the manga at least you see it again. If you ever took the time to stop and notice all the little details you would see that the logo on Eureka's shoulder varies quite a bit. The logo has changed about 3-4 times and the Gekkostate logo is present in the AO manga. In the AO anime there is a rally with a logo using the letters "GS" with several DJs rallying the crowd.
Gekkostate most likely won't have such a significant impact anymore, however, they've left a legacy behind them. When Ao gets closer to discovering Eureka he will inevitably stumble across some familiar faces since who else would have some knowledge of Eureka to share. Ao is likely going to learn a bit of Eureka's at least and perhaps some of Renton if he is lucky. The closest faction Gekkostate could be influencing is The United Okinawan Archipelago but we simply can't say as of now.

AO is drastically different from Kōkyōshihen, however, there are so many nostalgic elements it makes it fairly relatable. My only advice when it comes to tying the two series' together is to have patience. I know more about Eureka Seven than I'd like to admit sometimes, but like everyone else I'm limited to the weekly releases by Bones. Only Bones can give us the answers we desire and that is going to be a ways off. I've my suspicion that Eureka was involved with Generation Bleu previously especially given Christophe Blanc and Ivica Tanovic both knew about her.
The RA272 Nirvash was the first IFO ever and the only which seems to use a board. In addition, the uniform Eureka was wearing as she fell looking vaguely familiar to the suits that Generation Bleu's teams wear. Of course, her's was unique and had distinguishing features, but the uniform was fairly similar. For all we know it is Eureka's involvement that drove Christophe Blanc to decide to conduct research on the Scub Coral.


To note, I have not read the manga version of AO so i do not know how different the manga version of the series is to the show however i have noticed the the "GS" logo in episode 5. And i noticed in the previous episode that Renton may possibly not be the father of AO however this is speculative for debate. The RA272 Nirvash could have been developed with Eureka possibly overlooking it's develoment as part of the American/French project. Anyhow, seeing as im limited to most info into AO i can only speculate most anything at the moment, all i can say is that Ao is Eurkea's son and that Ao is just trying to find Eureka even if they don't state that he is it's still highly plausable. i mean what child wouldn't wanna try to find their mother after 10 years right?
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Episode 6

A bit of a confusing beginning as there seems to be some sort of revolution. It looks like we have a shape-shifter on the loose? Hmm...


Mission involves this strange son of a bitch:


Poor team Goldilocks from last time:


Some great mecha action latter half (B) of the episode.
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Episode 6

A bit of a confusing beginning as there seems to be some sort of revolution. It looks like we have a shape-shifter on the loose? Hmm...


Mission involves this strange son of a bitch:


Poor team Goldilocks from last time:


Some great mecha action latter half (B) of the episode.


ok im sitting here going over what happened in this episode and im completely stuck on how Truth can shape shift like that... i know for a fact that he is not a coralian so is it possible that he's a "Secret"? it would explain the way he can blow something up just by pointing at it
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We can no better understand Truth's capabilities and motivations than we could Dewey's when he made his debut.

Truth may be something entirely different, neither human nor Secret. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a humanoid coralian so I'll not even consider that option. Now then I just hope he doesn't end up as just some OP monster and instead has some intellect to fall back on like Dewey.
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ok im sitting here going over what happened in this episode and im completely stuck on how Truth can shape shift like that... i know for a fact that he is not a coralian so is it possible that he's a "Secret"? it would explain the way he can blow something up just by pointing at it

I'm guessing so. He could be the first humanoid "secret" we seen in this series up to this point. I recall a similar circumstance in Strike Witches, where there was a humanoid version of the Neuroi (the antagonists of the series) that debuted later on.
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madmike666 wrote:

ok im sitting here going over what happened in this episode and im completely stuck on how Truth can shape shift like that... i know for a fact that he is not a coralian so is it possible that he's a "Secret"? it would explain the way he can blow something up just by pointing at it

I'm guessing so. He could be the first humanoid "secret" we seen in this series up to this point. I recall a similar circumstance in Strike Witches, where there was a humanoid version of the Neuroi (the antagonists of the series) that debuted later on.


It is certainly a possibility that Truth is a humanoid Secret, however, I've got other suspicions. In one Eureka Seven medium, Eureka was at least a thousand years old I do believe, so it wouldn't be a stretch for Bones to apply that concept to Truth. What if Truth was the creator of Secrets or his origins lie with the Scub Coral as well? Any manner of speculation can go on about Truth, but his debut episode doesn't give you a whole lot especially when all he was doing was going on a murderous rampage.

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stark700 wrote:


madmike666 wrote:

ok im sitting here going over what happened in this episode and im completely stuck on how Truth can shape shift like that... i know for a fact that he is not a coralian so is it possible that he's a "Secret"? it would explain the way he can blow something up just by pointing at it

I'm guessing so. He could be the first humanoid "secret" we seen in this series up to this point. I recall a similar circumstance in Strike Witches, where there was a humanoid version of the Neuroi (the antagonists of the series) that debuted later on.


It is certainly a possibility that Truth is a humanoid Secret, however, I've got other suspicions. In one Eureka Seven medium, Eureka was at least a thousand years old I do believe, so it wouldn't be a stretch for Bones to apply that concept to Truth. What if Truth was the creator of Secrets or his origins lie with the Scub Coral as well? Any manner of speculation can go on about Truth, but his debut episode doesn't give you a whole lot especially when all he was doing was going on a murderous rampage.



true but in any case we are going to see how he connects to the show so all we can do is wait and see how
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this will be never beat eureka seven
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this will be never beat eureka seven


Most certainly not.

A sequel no matter how good it is won't surpass its predecessor. Kōkyōshihen Eureka Seven was a truly revolutionary project that helped define mecha anime in a new manner. It hasn't been popularized but that wasn't the point. The use of boards was a new concept to mecha which has only been done by Bones thus far. There was nothing it could be compared to, AO will always loom in the shadow of its predecessor and likely be judged as a result of it. Kōkyōshihen is my favorite anime and I'll always enjoy it more than AO on its best day, however, that doesn't mean AO won't be good.

The staples of the franchise were laid by Kōkyōshihen and several mediums have spawned from it. Novels, manga, games, an anime sequel, a film etc. None are as good as the original, however, I'm enjoying both AO and the novels I'm in the midst of reading. The manga was pretty awful except it had a really good ending. Then you have spin-offs like the one based off the characters from the game, "Gravity Boys & Lifting Girl," and a planned spin-off for AO titled "Save a Prayer."
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Anyone interested in the full opening of Astral Ocean should be aware it was officially released as of today by Hemenway. Consequently you can expect the ending theme by Stereopony to be made available on the 30th if memory serves correctly.

http://eurekaao-prj.net/?cat=3
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GianIntoci wrote:

this will be never beat eureka seven


Most certainly not.

A sequel no matter how good it is won't surpass its predecessor. Kōkyōshihen Eureka Seven was a truly revolutionary project that helped define mecha anime in a new manner. It hasn't been popularized but that wasn't the point. The use of boards was a new concept to mecha which has only been done by Bones thus far. There was nothing it could be compared to, AO will always loom in the shadow of its predecessor and likely be judged as a result of it. Kōkyōshihen is my favorite anime and I'll always enjoy it more than AO on its best day, however, that doesn't mean AO won't be good.

The staples of the franchise were laid by Kōkyōshihen and several mediums have spawned from it. Novels, manga, games, an anime sequel, a film etc. None are as good as the original, however, I'm enjoying both AO and the novels I'm in the midst of reading. The manga was pretty awful except it had a really good ending. Then you have spin-offs like the one based off the characters from the game, "Gravity Boys & Lifting Girl," and a planned spin-off for AO titled "Save a Prayer."


true i have found a knock off of the mechs used in the original series on a series called Code: Geass the only similarty i found was that in the manner it can "slide" in humaoid form like LFO's and as far as the Eureka series goes im trying my best to popularize it along with a few other shows that have fallen victim to unreliable streamer sites and i have personally seen these shows and their plots are amazingly simple at first but then later on they increase in complexity (this is describing one show at least im still attempting to find others) and yes i understand that some shows just don't make the cut but some of these shows have gone 100 episodes and i think those shows deserve a little better u know?
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I really wish CrunchyRoll would pick this up , agg !!!! Awesome series , and its getting better each episode.

and BTW "Wish" was alot better than "New Order"
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