Why the Japanese really need to improve their streaming contracts with CR
67347 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
30 / M / Glendale, AZ
Offline
Posted 4/19/12
I understand that the Japanese censor their fan service titles because the uncensored versions are usu. found only on the satellite channels and the DVDs/Blu-rays when they get released.

However, unless a company picks up DVD/Blu-ray rights for said fan service shows, the Japanese need to realize that there being no guarantee that a foreign CR subscriber's home country will get a such rights means that the Japanese need to stop being such fools and giving us the censored versions. Unless a foreigner is willing to shell out a lot of cash for legally importing a DVD/Blu-ray, they may end up resorting to watching the uncensored version on a copyright-infringing anime site.

The collective amount of monthly payments that the 10,000s of CR subscribers shells should be more than enough to allow there to be more uncensored simulcast shows more often. For example, if there were 36 fan service shows that CR picked up for simulcast, it would be if at least 1.2 to nearly all could have both the censored and uncensored versions. If an uncensored version (this includes shows leaning more towards violent and dark content than fan service) meant that you would have to pay a higher monthly subscription fee, I don't really have much of an issue with that.


Delaycasts. Seriously? I understand that this can be the case when Sentai or other companies also pick the rights to a show and somehow means CR has them delayed. However, it the only legal streamer is CR, then the contracts the Japanese make with CR's staff is to be fixed. A show shouldn't be delayed more than 36-48 hours after its Japanese air date, save for the time zone difference (this goes the same for the aforementioned Sentai or other companies picking up streaming rights).. QB Rebellion episode 2 being delayed over a week is now excuse.

We know too regional blocks are in issue. That s

Shows that were simulcasted years ago shouldn't have their streaming rights time length go through expiration dates/being removed from the site. For example, it's weird how some shows like Haruka Nogizaka no Himitsu was yanked yet Asura Cryin' wasn't.

I personally feel that a big reason the Japanese cheat subscribers with the delaycasts and censored simulcasts is because this is a way of them getting back at the people that pirate anime online.
44857 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / M / England
Offline
Posted 4/19/12 , edited 4/19/12
Well we have age restrictions on this site surely that should be enough if users that use this site are honest with their age. However many kids nowadays can easily lie about their age on the internet and there's no way Crunchyroll can prove that a user is underage if their profile says they're 18 and over, (sigh) . Parents should really monitor what sites their kids are surfing on.

I also agree with you about the delaycasts like with fate zero, which a lot of users were looking forward too and yet we're behind a week it kind of makes me feel like I'm not getting my money's worth on this site if I'm paying for subscription service to give me content on time like this site has mentioned quite often that they stream their anime one hour after it has streamed in Japan.
104119 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
25 / M / This Dying World
Offline
Posted 4/19/12
wait for the blu rays please?
40817 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
36 / M
Offline
Posted 4/19/12

Tashfinz wrote:

Well we have age restrictions on this site surely that should be enough if users that use this site are honest with their age. However many kids nowadays can easily lie about their age on the internet and there's no way Crunchyroll can prove that a user is underage if their profile says they're 18 and over, (sigh) . Parents should really monitor what sites their kids are surfing on.

I also agree with you about the delaycasts like with fate zero, which a lot of users were looking forward too and yet we're behind a week it kind of makes me feel like I'm not getting my money's worth on this site if I'm paying for subscription service to give me content on time like this site has mentioned quite often that they stream their anime one hour after it has streamed in Japan.


Actually, there is one way for Crunchyroll to make sure that under 18 don't see the uncensored material: Make it so that only Premium Members can see it. After all, you have to over 18 to use a credit card or to use whatever other payment methods for a Premium Membership. I think more than anything else, it's AT-X or the other satellite channels being unwilling to supply the uncensored material to Crunchyroll. And Queen's Blade Rebellion is not technically a delaycast: it simulcasts with the free-to-air TV stations and the censored version is about a week behind AT-X's airing.

As far as delaycasts go: I would rather watch something a week late than not at all. If that was the best Aniplex could offer Crunchyroll, then I am glad that Crunchyroll was able to have it.

And I am glad that Crunchyroll has 30 total anime simulcasts(and 2 dramas) for Spring. Whatever Crunchyroll prevents terrible streaming sites like niconico.com from getting is a good thing in my book.

43109 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
31 / M
Offline
Posted 4/19/12
there is reasons beyond crunchyrolls power that occur in licensing anime to appear on this website.

one of the reasons that some anime is delayed up to a week or so after initial broadcast is that not all of japan sees the anime at the same time. some will show one night and then premeire a day or even few days again in a different region of japan. this caused many japanese to discuss why sites like CR get to show the anime on there website before it even premeires in parts of japan. the sad thing is, this has made it so that in order to make sure the japanese see the anime before it hits sites like CR they force them to delay the showing up to a week.

why is that done? because regaurdless of what you may think or believe japanese fans and thier money drive the industry at large. we pay a pittance compared to japanese otaku willing to shell out 40 bucks an episode for anime over there when it gets released. we pay 8-12 a month to access hundreds if not thousands of episodes a month. as the japanese say "it can not be helped"

censorship in japan is not done how you think. there is no agency that reviews shows that need to be censored and then provides censorship. all anime broadcasters self-censor.

this lead to an industry realization that by censoring blatantly near-pornographic anime (thinking queens blade) they drive up sales of said shows blu-ray and dvds. this is a widely accepted practice. while thier are some anime shows that air uncensored, they do not for the most part. did you know til recently many anime would air either before or after uncensored soft-core pornography? believe me, the vast majority of what they censor in anime could be shown on TV, at the times they show them in japan. it just doesnt make good business sense.

also, very little of the money CR makes actually even gets to the shows makers. in the few instances CR employees and employees at other similiar sites like CR it shows that the money goes toward hosting costs, CR operations costs, and then misc costs. CR at the time of simulcast prepay up front for each of there shows they get. its very little, sometimes ranging from a few grand to maybe 8, depending on supposedly popularity.

i agree on that only paid members of CR should be able to watch shows like queens blade. to be honest, its surprising that CR picks up such shows. the vast majority of CR "anchor" anime consist of it being shows that tailor more to the younger crowd, like naruto, bleach, and the seasonal shows that follow.
33131 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
25 / M / Texas
Offline
Posted 4/19/12 , edited 4/19/12
I like the info provided in here but the grammar could use some work. It's killer on the eyes. >.<
75664 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
55 / M / Northeast Ohio, USA
Offline
Posted 4/19/12

kadmos1 wrote: I understand that the Japanese censor their fan service titles because the uncensored versions are usu. found only on the satellite channels and the DVDs/Blu-rays when they get released.

However, unless a company picks up DVD/Blu-ray rights for said fan service shows, the Japanese need to realize that there being no guarantee that a foreign CR subscriber's home country will get a such rights means that the Japanese need to stop being such fools and giving us the censored versions. Unless a foreigner is willing to shell out a lot of cash for legally importing a DVD/Blu-ray, they may end up resorting to watching the uncensored version on a copyright-infringing anime site.

If you are talking about Queen's Blade, Sentai has announced that they have picked up the series, so hopefully when they get the uncensored cut, they'll help Crunchyroll out with an uncensored cut.


The collective amount of monthly payments that the 10,000s of CR subscribers shells should be more than enough to allow there to be more uncensored simulcast shows more often.

I thought that the monthly payment was $8 or less? So somebody who follows five series is paying $0.40 an episode? Someone with a quarterly account following five series would get about 65 episodes for $20, or $0.31 per episode.

That's probably not "more than enough" to be able to demand an uncensored cut. $1/episode, like people who download individual SD episodes on PSN/Xbox/Zune ... that would be enough.


Delaycasts. Seriously?

Yup. Its not like its a choice between delaycasts and simulcast on a series, its a choice between delaycast and nothing. I'd rather more series instead of fewer ~ especially since its buffet pricing and I don't pay any higher subscription for adding the delaycasts on top of the simulcasts that Crunchyroll gets.


Shows that were simulcasted years ago shouldn't have their streaming rights time length go through expiration dates/being removed from the site. For example, it's weird how some shows like Haruka Nogizaka no Himitsu was yanked yet Asura Cryin' wasn't.

I don't see series licensed in 2010 and 2011 having nearly the same issues with fixed terms ~ obviously the stream expires if someone in the license region picks up the master license, but it looks like a lot more contracts are written to allow the series to stay up until and unless someone licenses the title. Obviously there are always going to be some sticks in the mud, but this looks like a problem that Crunchyroll has solved with most of their licensors.
Posted 4/19/12 , edited 4/19/12

kadmos1 wrote:

The collective amount of monthly payments that the 10,000s of CR subscribers shells should be more than enough to allow there to be more uncensored simulcast shows more often. For example, if there were 36 fan service shows that CR picked up for simulcast, it would be if at least 1.2 to nearly all could have both the censored and uncensored versions. If an uncensored version (this includes shows leaning more towards violent and dark content than fan service) meant that you would have to pay a higher monthly subscription fee, I don't really have much of an issue with that.

We know too regional blocks are in issue. That s

I personally feel that a big reason the Japanese cheat subscribers with the delaycasts and censored simulcasts is because this is a way of them getting back at the people that pirate anime online.


I don't really get what you're saying here.. Simulcast are what they are, an online stream of the televised version, and I highly doubt they get back at subscribers for pirating. What purpose would that serve to get back at someone who pays to watch a legal stream rather than the ones who actually do?

That's like saying a band delays and censors an album to get back at people who actually buy the album because of pirating.

Granted I can't say for certain it's true or not, but I'm not sure they'd be willing to take a risk in getting found out and legit paying customers leaving to go back to pirating.

As for getting the uncensored version, I'm not sure if CR truly has the power or money for that. I, for one, would not be willing to pay more because I don't have an abundance of money to be shelling out just to see it uncensored. If you're that concerned about bloody violence and fanservice, then you can just spend that extra money yourself for importing the DVDs



pistolsaf wrote:


Tashfinz wrote:

Well we have age restrictions on this site surely that should be enough if users that use this site are honest with their age. However many kids nowadays can easily lie about their age on the internet and there's no way Crunchyroll can prove that a user is underage if their profile says they're 18 and over, (sigh) . Parents should really monitor what sites their kids are surfing on.

I also agree with you about the delaycasts like with fate zero, which a lot of users were looking forward too and yet we're behind a week it kind of makes me feel like I'm not getting my money's worth on this site if I'm paying for subscription service to give me content on time like this site has mentioned quite often that they stream their anime one hour after it has streamed in Japan.


Actually, there is one way for Crunchyroll to make sure that under 18 don't see the uncensored material: Make it so that only Premium Members can see it. After all, you have to over 18 to use a credit card or to use whatever other payment methods for a Premium Membership. I think more than anything else, it's AT-X or the other satellite channels being unwilling to supply the uncensored material to Crunchyroll. And Queen's Blade Rebellion is not technically a delaycast: it simulcasts with the free-to-air TV stations and the censored version is about a week behind AT-X's airing.

As far as delaycasts go: I would rather watch something a week late than not at all. If that was the best Aniplex could offer Crunchyroll, then I am glad that Crunchyroll was able to have it.

And I am glad that Crunchyroll has 30 total anime simulcasts(and 2 dramas) for Spring. Whatever Crunchyroll prevents terrible streaming sites like niconico.com from getting is a good thing in my book.



Only one problem, there isn't a guarantee that everyone with a subscription will be over 18. A good parent will obviously oversee what their kid is viewing on here, but there are some who throw the thought to the wind and give them a subscription anyway..



67347 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
30 / M / Glendale, AZ
Offline
Posted 4/20/12
If Japan really wants to reach as much of an international audience as they could, they need to stop doing so many contract restrictions. Even for business practices, I still consider it technically cheating subscribers paying to watch fan service shows legally. I would really like to know how much CR subscribers would have to pay a month for Premium members to have access the uncensored fan service shows.

You must be logged in to post.