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Why is it important that "Anime" is a product of Japan?
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Posted 4/19/12 , edited 4/19/12
I was under the impression that anime was mostly used to refer to something with Japanese animation. I didn't really think it had anything to do with plot, characters, or content. There are so many different genres within anime that it would be ludicrous to lump them all together as far as content is concerned. (imagine trying to compare K-On! with Cowboy Bepop; it just wouldn't work). But all animes share common animation. So it would make sense that it more refers to animation and art style rather than plot, story, etc. Just my two cents.
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entropiCCycles wrote:


SoulKanon wrote:

Anime is a japanese word.
You should use the japanese word, anime, for japanese animations.
Why would you call a western cartoon anime when it isn't japanese?
The same thing goes for why you don't call anime cartoons but people who don't know what anime is say they are just cartoons.


Anime, as used in Japanese, is a shortening of the word "animation" and, consequently, refers to any and all types of animated materials.
This is confirmed by "cartoon" and "animation" being used as the English counterpart to "anime" in the Berlitz Japanese-English Compact Dictionary and the Random House Webster's Japanese-English Pocket Dictionary, respectively. Wikipedia corroborates this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime#Word_usage, but also points out that "anime" and "cartoon" are generally considered distinct in Western cultures (particularly in the use of "anime" in English).

I honestly don't plan on picking sides, but I will suggest that you take more care in continuing this discussion, because the above argument doesn't really work too well.


Hmm, so then the word anime is not originally from Japan? My bad for not being a vocab genius. You don't see people going around calling Family Guy and South Park anime even though they technically are, do you?
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Posted 4/19/12 , edited 4/19/12
Anime isn't exactly original, in fact, Japanese animation style derived from Disney cartoons which the Japanese animators themselves admit it. The word anime is a loan word which derived from the French phrase "dessin animé" which eventually shorten to the word what we know today.




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Posted 4/20/12 , edited 4/20/12
The only requirement for validity in language is a common understanding of the words used. Words refer to ideas, and as long as two (or more) people attribute the same idea to the same word, the word is a valid method of communication. "Anime" may be used differently in Japan than in, let's say, America. But when used in America, the word "anime" is an English word, and takes on whatever meaning the parties communicating attach to it. I would rather say "anime" than "Japanese cartoons," just because anime is easier to say.

It would be nice if we could have developed another succinct way to refer to the medium -- one that doesn't take on different meanings in different languages -- but being that the word refers to a commonly understood idea in English, I say use that word. The more preferable alternative would be to come up with another word that refers to the same idea without making the term vague for another language, say, "jartoons," or "japime" (janime might flow better), but I suspect it takes a lot of work to completely change an entire culture and language precedent, so I'm probably just going to keep calling it anime. Plus, I hate when people create "movements" to do things.

Edit: To answer the question, it is important that "anime" is a product of Japan because, in English, the word "anime" roughly translates to "Japanese cartoons."
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Posted 4/20/12
I agree with you. That's why when I mention it to my friends I say "Japanese anime."
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I see it as an easy way to catagorise it from other cartoons to make it more clear as to what I'm talking about, without thinking of it as a deeper meaning.
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Posted 4/20/12
I always hate these arguments. It rings of protectionism, which rarely works.

Anime is actually a Japanese abbreviation of animation. It's a term they developed quite some time after their own animation industry got developed. I don't know when exactly, I'll look into that.

If you look at early Japanese animation, you'll see the direct influence of Western animation, in particular Disney. As Japan's animation industry evolved, new styles developed. What is now called anime is actually a rich and diverse set of styles that covers all Japanese animations.

Due to anime's success, it has influenced other animation studios. That's only natural since nothing exists in a vacuum. We've influenced Japan, they've influenced us, and the cycle goes on and on.

Consequently, if something has been directly inspired by an anime style, I have no qualms calling it anime even if it was never produced in Japan. Trying to describe it in another way would be awkward, cumbersome, and unnecessary.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.

For several years, there has been a similar argument going around regarding what should be called a manga. Obviously, I have a similar stance on this.

Basically these arguments revolve around protecting cultural heritage. It's a valid point, but rather weak in my opinion. It is interesting to note that there is a law related to this. This law prevents other countries from producing Champagne since this historically was produced only in the Champagne region of France. This law, however, only applies to geographic locations.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/creating-opportunities/trade-topics/intellectual-property/geographical-indications/
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=sorry for my raging was late and was not myself we all have moments it was a moment of idiotic weakness where i was not looking at the big picture like i normally do i am sorry.
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But it does get hectic around here sometimes and we all rant a little about it sorry for getting crazy though.
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There probably is a wierd sense of patriotism coming from the animation studios

after all, anime is probably just behind sushi as the one of the largest cultural exports to western society

teenagers or anime lovers in general no matter what age from places like f USA, Jamaica, Mexico, Canada etc all have a notion about life & the people of japan thru watching anime

in this way anime is the tool of seduction or maybe the delivery mechanism for the cultural preconceptions people have about the Japanese history/peculiarities/comedy etc
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There really is nothing to analyze here. Anime is a specific term because it's a Japanese one. Sure it covers the field of all animation when used by a Japanese person but American and most other cultures have different terms that refer to the whole of animated works.

Anime is obviously a Japanese shortening and rendering of the English word animation. But that's just it, it's merely a word used for linguistic and convenience sake; there is no clandestine meaning to the word maybe just people's interpretation of it. People's interpretations differ because people are naturally different.
Posted 4/20/12

kufirst wrote:

There really is nothing to analyze here. Anime is a specific term because it's a Japanese one. Sure it covers the field of all animation when used by a Japanese person but American and most other cultures have different terms that refer to the whole of animated works.

Anime is obviously a Japanese shortening and rendering of the English word animation. But that's just it, it's merely a word used for linguistic and convenience sake; there is no clandestine meaning to the word maybe just people's interpretation of it. People's interpretations differ because people are naturally different.


But there lies the problem. Do we use our forced definition or the meaning of original one? Just because a word comes from another language doesn't mean the true meaning has to be lost. Anime means all animation for the Japanese, and we know this as well, so it should mean the same for us. Why must we use it to seperate Japanese animations? The only ones who really hurt from it being inclusive of all animation is those who have a sense of pride due to the forced definition of anime.

Who asked to protect the identity of Japanese animations anyway? Do not forget that Japanese animations aired on TV in the 80's when there was barely any knowledge of where it came from. "Anime" wasn't special back then, it was just another animation you watched. It only became special when people started realizing what it was and fans decided it was necessary to label it different; and they were more than happy to slap the word anime on when the word was introduced.

One could say it defines the style of animation and the way the story is told, but even then you're treading into muddy water. The fact is that not all of them conform to either exclusively, so it's hit and miss.

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No, this is where the problem is. Not everyone is going to use your definition of anime be it inclusive or exclusive.

Some will define it stylistically, others will define it geographically. People define and categorize things because it makes it easier to comprehend, whether they be entirely accurate or not.

I tend to think defining 'anime' geographically is a bit easier but there are exceptions where studios/artists from different countries will come together to produce something, so even then it's not so clear-cut.
Posted 4/20/12

kufirst wrote:

No, this is where the problem is. Not everyone is going to use your definition of anime be it inclusive or exclusive.

Some will define it stylistically, others will define it geographically. People define and categorize things because it makes it easier to comprehend, whether they be entirely accurate or not.

I tend to think defining 'anime' geographically is a bit easier but there are exceptions where studios/artists from different countries will come together to produce something, so even then it's not so clear-cut.


True it may have more than more definition as the term has been built up over the years, but then you'd have to use the proper one. Yes, in some cases you will have to use it differently for those who don't understand, you can't throw out all the definitions.

I never really did say there was exactly one way to use it, though, just a proper one which has been pushed to the back by fan enforced ones. Seems that they tend to replace the original meaning more than just works as an alternate definition. I think it's wrong to disregard that knowingly as some do. The word just gets thrown around doing that.

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Weird as it may seem, but when we hear anime, the first thing that comes to mind is japan right?

Then again when we see American style animation, people just say that it's cartoon or comic.
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