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I'll play... ;)

What did I watch?

The first episode of a series that is listed at 21 episodes. As it is, it is an introduction episode and I expect that will continue with the next couple. That's why I have a 3 episode rule before dropping a show. I also don't rate shows before that point.

As an introduction episode, it did the job well. We know this will be a mystery show. We have a seeker of mysteries in Chitanda. We have a Sherlock in Houtarou. And we have a Watson in Fukube. It's obvious that their skills form a team.

We've also had an essential piece of foreshadowing: that by avoiding the music room mystery, Houtarou will regret it in the long term.

What is the story about?

We don't know yet. As I said, this is an introduction show. We know from the description that we haven't hit the core mystery yet.

What is the genre/theme?

Mystery. That is blatently obvious.

How are these aspects related and correlated?

See the description for question one. I think I made it clear there.
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chrome_mist wrote:


Really?
Judging an anime based on the first episode alone?
Hyouka didn't have the best first episode out of the spring lineup but it certainly wasn't bad.
People will just find anything to hate on what's popular.



Why don't we all just watch 3 episodes of each and come back later to bitch?




AnimeKami wrote:

Before some of you defend this anime, ask yourself:


What did I watch?

I watched the first episode of Hyouka.



What is the story about?

I don't know. I've only seen the first episode so far, so....



What is the genre/theme?

See above answer.



How are these aspects related and correlated?


Same answer.

Anyway, I can't fully judge an anime based on its first episode alone.
It was basically just an introductory episode, and nothing more.
The story will probably be told later on so we'll just have to wait until something happens.

It could turn out to be crap like *insert crappy animoo here* or the opposite.
The first episode doesn't make the whole anime.





I'll just say this:

It didn't make a good first episode impression.


in red: my dear you have no idea how important that opening episode should be, and how big of an impact it has, just now you have a bimodal distribution in the likers and haters

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AnimeKami wrote:

I'll just say this:

It didn't make a good first episode impression.


in red: my dear you have no idea how important that opening episode should be, and how big of an impact it has, just now you have a bimodal distribution in the likers and haters



Well Guilty Crown had a great pilot episode.
You know how that turned out.



I've come to learn that opening / first episodes don't mean shit.
We will only know if an anime is good or not by watching the whole thing.



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chrome_mist wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:

I'll just say this:

It didn't make a good first episode impression.


in red: my dear you have no idea how important that opening episode should be, and how big of an impact it has, just now you have a bimodal distribution in the likers and haters



Well Guilty Crown had a great pilot episode.
You know how that turned out.



I've come to learn that opening / first episodes don't mean shit.
We will only know if an anime is good or not by watching the whole thing.





something off tangent, do you have like a pre made template for your posts, I can't image you typing all the code each time anyways

I agree guilty crown was a fucking train wreck, but the fact of the matter is the opening episode made me (the audience) want to watch episode two.

Hyoka doesn't have that impression, it is really saying

"hey stay with me i will get better" versus "hey i'm boss and look boss watch episode two"

There is no drive for this anime, for me to pursue further.

This leads to my final point, episode 2 will make or break this anime.
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Hey guys calm down I really think it's a bad idea to dismiss this anime after just watching the first episode, besides we do know that it's a mystery anime. Why is it that I think I know you ask?
Because Hyouka isn't an original story, it's actually based on an award winning japanese novel, which just so happens to be a mystery novel.
Now why do I think that we shouldn't dismiss this so quickly? Because the story coming from an award winning novel and the animation done by an award winning animation studio that has proven itself several times as being fully capable at directing adaptations of different type of media, I can hardly see how it can go wrong.

For now lets just sit back and see how it goes, you just might be surprised.
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AnimeKami wrote:

something off tangent, do you have like a pre made template for your posts, I can't image you typing all the code each time anyways


I copy paste the codes.





Hyoka doesn't have that impression, it is really saying

"hey stay with me i will get better" versus "hey i'm boss and look boss watch episode two"



There are many anime that made huge comebacks from boring first episodes. (Steins;Gate, Baccano!, Berserk, etc.)
It's better to assume that Hyouka will be one of them.




There is no drive for this anime, for me to pursue further.


Fair enough.
But that is your case. Not everyone else's.
A lot of people (including me) might've enjoyed the episode because of the mystery + slight slice-of-life feel to it.
Not everyone was expecting something to happen so early in the series. (This is gonna be 21 episodes long so I'd like it if they didn't rush anything)




This leads to my final point, episode 2 will make or break this anime.


Same. Me liking the first episode doesn't really mean anything.
The future episode(s) will determine if the series is worth finishing or not.

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I really really REALLY want to emphasizes on this concept; the majority of the posts about this series is:

1) OMFG the animation is AMAZING kyoto animation did it again!!!

and

2) What is it about...?


The first type of people are kinda ignorant.

the second type is looking past the animation.

Where do you feel like you fit in? 1? or 2?

I am trying to actively engage in a discussion where we do not look at the animation but how this anime can proceed before we are at episode 19 and we are still going wtf is this anime about.

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i didn't watch it but they really should try making animes outside of schools ^^'
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AnimeKami wrote:

I really really REALLY want to emphasizes on this concept; the majority of the posts about this series is:

1) OMFG the animation is AMAZING kyoto animation did it again!!!

and

2) What is it about...?


The first type of people are kinda ignorant.

the second type is looking past the animation.

Where do you feel like you fit in? 1? or 2?

I am trying to actively engage in a discussion where we do not look at the animation but how this anime can proceed before we are at episode 19 and we are still going wtf is this anime about.



To be honest, I think you are just overreacting because of the "OMFG the animation is AMAZING kyoto animation did it again!!!" people. Yeah, there are those people, but so what? No one here has said that animation quality is the sole arbiter of whether or not a series is good. I tend to ignore zealots of any stripe.

And you've created a false dichotomy. It doesn't have to be only those two choices that you've picked.

I thought the animation quality was good, but not amazing. I know this show is a mystery, but I don't know the details of the mystery yet. I'm happy right now to see how this sets up before I decide how amazing, or not amazing, this show really is. I won't speak for chrome_mist, but I got the impression that she (and others) are thinking the same thing.

I'm not sure why you are pushing so hard. I get it: you are decidedly "meh" on ep 1. That's fine. How about we have this conversation again after ep 3?
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AnimeKami wrote:

I really really REALLY want to emphasizes on this concept; the majority of the posts about this series is:

1) OMFG the animation is AMAZING kyoto animation did it again!!!

and

2) What is it about...?


The first type of people are kinda ignorant.

the second type is looking past the animation.

Where do you feel like you fit in? 1? or 2?



What I don't get is...
Why are you getting so mad over this episode?

First of all, just because people liked the animation doesn't mean they're ignorant.
No one (at least not in here) even said anything about the first episode being amazing because of the animation.
Animation is a part of the anime, and whether you like it or not, it plays a big role. But it won't help the anime if the plot is garbage.
So what is the story? What am I watching? I don't know, yet. But sooner or later I'll find out.

I've seen Berserk, Cross Game, Monster, GTO and Gurren Lagann. All having poorer art and animation than most anime released recently. I never complained, they were all amazing.
But is liking the first episode of an anime I know nothing about being ignorant? No.




I am trying to actively engage in a discussion where we do not look at the animation but how this anime can proceed before we are at episode 19 and we are still going wtf is this anime about.


Oh. I didn't know you were a prophet.
So you've already decided that Hyouka won't be showing much plot development as we reach episode 19? Cute.

I'll get back into you after I watch the same number of episodes.
I'll tell you then whether I agree with you or not.


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Des85 wrote:

Ep1 is overrated.
GAH, what's with all the 8-10 scores of it after just 1 ep on MAL? :P
It was not that great.
Just becaus it's KyoAni doesn't mean it's a masterpiece.

The mystery aspect in ep 1 was boring.


at least it's not threads on 4chan where people are arguing over what subs to get due to font and localization issues. Episode one was visually great but lacked something... oh yeah it's going to be a slow paced show so i will have to wait until an arc is over before delivering a final judgment.
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:

at least it's not threads on 4chan where people are arguing over what subs to get due to font and localization issues. Episode one was visually great but lacked something... oh yeah it's going to be a slow paced show so i will have to wait until an arc is over before delivering a final judgment.


If it was allowed to discuss downloading of anime on MAL, there would probably be discussions like that on there too
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Des85 wrote:


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:

at least it's not threads on 4chan where people are arguing over what subs to get due to font and localization issues. Episode one was visually great but lacked something... oh yeah it's going to be a slow paced show so i will have to wait until an arc is over before delivering a final judgment.


If it was allowed to discuss downloading of anime on MAL, there would probably be discussions like that on there too :P


well lets see commie is decent and haden is good for spell check. oh wait nvm... oops :3
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:

well lets see commie is decent and haden is good for spell check. oh wait nvm... oops :3



How about... Mazui?


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chrome_mist wrote:


How about... Mazui?




I went with Commie on this one.
But by the comments on where I dl, it seems like Mazui is the best choice, if you're to dl
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