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Am I wrong if I take what Chitanda said in the shed that she wouldn't mind being seen as a pervert any other day, with Oreki?
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NoBreyner wrote:

Am I wrong if I take what Chitanda said in the shed that she wouldn't mind being seen as a pervert any other day, with Oreki?


I don't think she minds too much (if allows them to escape from the room that is) but Oreki might
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NoBreyner wrote:

Am I wrong if I take what Chitanda said in the shed that she wouldn't mind being seen as a pervert any other day, with Oreki?


I don't think she minds too much (if allows them to escape from the room that is) but Oreki might


I think she only minded because she was there representing her father. It would reflect poorly on him.
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I watched the first 2 episodes last season but for some reason I lost interest, it was to slow for me ,

should I try watching this one again?


It's a slow show to develop, but if you stick with it, I think it is worth it. The character interactions are great, especially in the 2nd half of the series.
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it only took 19 episode for the 20th to be somewhat better?
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iashakezula wrote:

I watched the first 2 episodes last season but for some reason I lost interest, it was to slow for me ,

should I try watching this one again?


It's a slow show to develop, but if you stick with it, I think it is worth it. The character interactions are great, especially in the 2nd half of the series.


I wholeheartedly agree. This is a character development kind of anime, and to do those properly and realistically takes time. The joy is in watching the characters and in playing armchair detective as the show progresses and seeing if you can solve the mystery before Oreki can from the clues presented. As someone had mentioned before, these aren't the Detective Conan type of mysteries where you try to find out who the killer is. These are smaller mysteries...the kind everyday people come across. Kudos to KyoAni for taking on a show like this and proving you don't have to have a show be full of angst or emo kids for it to be good.
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KaiserSosei wrote:


deadpanditto wrote:


iashakezula wrote:

I watched the first 2 episodes last season but for some reason I lost interest, it was to slow for me ,

should I try watching this one again?


It's a slow show to develop, but if you stick with it, I think it is worth it. The character interactions are great, especially in the 2nd half of the series.


I wholeheartedly agree. This is a character development kind of anime, and to do those properly and realistically takes time. The joy is in watching the characters and in playing armchair detective as the show progresses and seeing if you can solve the mystery before Oreki can from the clues presented. As someone had mentioned before, these aren't the Detective Conan type of mysteries where you try to find out who the killer is. These are smaller mysteries...the kind everyday people come across. Kudos to KyoAni for taking on a show like this and proving you don't have to have a show be full of angst or emo kids for it to be good.


Yes absolutely. Definitely agree with you. I hear and see a lot of people complaining about how slow and boring it is and drop it like last month's cheese, but it's all about the character development, not the mysteries. The mysteries are fun, but they just lay ground for the characters to change. If you look at it this way,
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Can I just say Houtarou Oreki is the best character ever, adsklfhadklfh


You can, and you are correct. For some reason I am drawn to characters like Oreki. I think the whole "lazy, I don't care/don't want to spend energy" act is cool. It also leaves a lot of room for development. But Something about Oreki makes him a cut above the rest. Anyway, he is one of the best characters I've watched in a while.
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Yes absolutely. Definitely agree with you. I hear and see a lot of people complaining about how slow and boring it is and drop it like last month's cheese, but it's all about the character development, not the mysteries. The mysteries are fun, but they just lay ground for the characters to change. If you look at it this way,


Good summary. One of the great moments in this episodes is realizing that Satoshi finally got his "reward".

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The whole series is a homage to the old-school mystery writers like Agatha Christie and Arthur Conan Doyle. I remembering reading Red Headed League & ABC Murders as a child and enjoying these just as much.
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iashakezula wrote:

I watched the first 2 episodes last season but for some reason I lost interest, it was to slow for me ,

should I try watching this one again?


It's a slow show to develop, but if you stick with it, I think it is worth it. The character interactions are great, especially in the 2nd half of the series.

This is a summary I posted a while back for someone asking a similar question on the Hyouka Fan Club at MAL, modified since some of my comments are not valid given the course that the final few episodes have taken...

The anime is very arc based. Each arc has a primary mystery that it works toward, though frequently there are small "sub-mysteries" along the way. That was more true in the first arc than the latter ones. There are also some short story based episodes as well, which are self-contained and not part of the one of the arcs. There is an overarching storyline of the main character's "lifestyle" and the question of what makes someone "special" vs "ordinary" and is it desirable to be "special".

The first five episodes cover the first novel, starting with some basic character development and a couple of mini-mysteries to basically introduce the four main characters in general and the deductive capabilities of Oreki in particular, then it goes into the main mystery of the arc: The Niece of Time.

The next two episodes are short story stand-alone stories, both of which are from Novel 4, which is a compilation of short stories.

Episodes 8-11 come from the 2nd novel and have less of the mini-mystery set-up with more of an overall mystery for the arc, with a bit more emphasis on character development, particularly for Oreki and, to some extent, Chitanda, though all of the characters have their moments where you get to know them better. Interestingly, this arc introduces a kind of "meta-detective" theme to the show, with the characters discussing styles and tricks used by various mystery writers and a couple of the characters identifying as fans of particular authors.

Episode 11.5, the OVA that came out online in early July and will be included in the January limited edition of the manga. I am not certain if this is anime only or if it comes from one of the short stories.

Episodes 12 through 17 cover novel 3 and consist of a mystery surrounding events of the school's cultural festival. It is considerably more "slice-of-life" than the previous arcs, taking several episodes to fully get to the mystery, however, it has been widely hailed, by fans of the show, to be one of the absolute finest examples of a cultural festival arc in the history of anime, ranking up with the ludicrously over the top wrestling plot from Toradora!, in this person's opinion. The character development in this section is fantastic and the mystery, while a bit odd, eluded my ability to solve it until close to the end. (To be fair to my own deductive powers, it did not provided a heck of a lot of clues as to the culprit, either.) The use of "meta-mystery" discussions continued in this arc, with reference to Agatha Christie and the style of mysteries she wrote.

The last few episodes are all short stories from the fourth Novel, "Little Birds Can Remember". They feature a fantastic amount of character development, and some fine little mysteries. (Not to mention, some kimono fan service! Eru is absolutely lovely in her kimono!)

To sum up, Hyouka is not a standard detective style mystery novel. It does contain a large amount of "slice-of-life" elements. However, the mystery elements are well done, the characters are extremely well crafted, and the art and character designs are second to none. There is a good amount of humor, mystery, and a touch of romance to go along with it, though that has been mostly implied, largely as the answer to the question of "Why does a guy like Oreki continue to do the things he does with the Classics Club when it pretty much goes against his entire outlook on life?" The answer that seems obvious is: a girl! (duh!)

The fifth and final novel of the series seems to have been left completely untouched, which suggests that we may be in for more from this series, particularly considering how extremely popular it has been. Since it is only one novel, I smell a movie in the offing, but I could be wrong...


NoBreyner wrote:

Am I wrong if I take what Chitanda said in the shed that she wouldn't mind being seen as a pervert any other day, with Oreki?

I get the impression that she would welcome the opportunity to be seen as a pervert with Oreki, as long as it doesn't reflect badly on her father, or at least if it is deserved because one of them has finally gone and actually done something about the latent sexual tension between them, like confess, embrace, or just reach out and take the other person's hand. All through episode 20 I kept thinking "Tell her she is beautiful, you idiot!" and "Take her in your arms, even if you are using the cold and huddling for warmth as an excuse! Golden opportunity here!!!!!"

Of course, Eru's concern for her reputation as a representative of her father really did put that as being out of the question. (I loved the bit about the obi string, though! That was done extremely well!)
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ninjajake12 wrote:

Yes absolutely. Definitely agree with you. I hear and see a lot of people complaining about how slow and boring it is and drop it like last month's cheese, but it's all about the character development, not the mysteries. The mysteries are fun, but they just lay ground for the characters to change. If you look at it this way,


Good summary. One of the great moments in this episodes is realizing that Satoshi finally got his "reward".



Yes, Satoshi is actually one of my favorites behind Oreki because of his "database" personality. So watching him trying to change that, and the fact that he's unhappy being just a database really hit me hard. It was both a great character development moment and a very touching moment (for me anyways) lol. All in all, I love all the characters.
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Zensunni wrote:


deadpanditto wrote:


iashakezula wrote:

I watched the first 2 episodes last season but for some reason I lost interest, it was to slow for me ,

should I try watching this one again?


It's a slow show to develop, but if you stick with it, I think it is worth it. The character interactions are great, especially in the 2nd half of the series.

This is a summary I posted a while back for someone asking a similar question on the Hyouka Fan Club at MAL, modified since some of my comments are not valid given the course that the final few episodes have taken...

The anime is very arc based. Each arc has a primary mystery that it works toward, though frequently there are small "sub-mysteries" along the way. That was more true in the first arc than the latter ones. There are also some short story based episodes as well, which are self-contained and not part of the one of the arcs. There is an overarching storyline of the main character's "lifestyle" and the question of what makes someone "special" vs "ordinary" and is it desirable to be "special".

The first five episodes cover the first novel, starting with some basic character development and a couple of mini-mysteries to basically introduce the four main characters in general and the deductive capabilities of Oreki in particular, then it goes into the main mystery of the arc: The Niece of Time.

The next two episodes are short story stand-alone stories, both of which are from Novel 4, which is a compilation of short stories.

Episodes 8-11 come from the 2nd novel and have less of the mini-mystery set-up with more of an overall mystery for the arc, with a bit more emphasis on character development, particularly for Oreki and, to some extent, Chitanda, though all of the characters have their moments where you get to know them better. Interestingly, this arc introduces a kind of "meta-detective" theme to the show, with the characters discussing styles and tricks used by various mystery writers and a couple of the characters identifying as fans of particular authors.

Episode 11.5, the OVA that came out online in early July and will be included in the January limited edition of the manga. I am not certain if this is anime only or if it comes from one of the short stories.

Episodes 12 through 17 cover novel 3 and consist of a mystery surrounding events of the school's cultural festival. It is considerably more "slice-of-life" than the previous arcs, taking several episodes to fully get to the mystery, however, it has been widely hailed, by fans of the show, to be one of the absolute finest examples of a cultural festival arc in the history of anime, ranking up with the ludicrously over the top wrestling plot from Toradora!, in this person's opinion. The character development in this section is fantastic and the mystery, while a bit odd, eluded my ability to solve it until close to the end. (To be fair to my own deductive powers, it did not provided a heck of a lot of clues as to the culprit, either.) The use of "meta-mystery" discussions continued in this arc, with reference to Agatha Christie and the style of mysteries she wrote.

The last few episodes are all short stories from the fourth Novel, "Little Birds Can Remember". They feature a fantastic amount of character development, and some fine little mysteries. (Not to mention, some kimono fan service! Eru is absolutely lovely in her kimono!)

To sum up, Hyouka is not a standard detective style mystery novel. It does contain a large amount of "slice-of-life" elements. However, the mystery elements are well done, the characters are extremely well crafted, and the art and character designs are second to none. There is a good amount of humor, mystery, and a touch of romance to go along with it, though that has been mostly implied, largely as the answer to the question of "Why does a guy like Oreki continue to do the things he does with the Classics Club when it pretty much goes against his entire outlook on life?" The answer that seems obvious is: a girl! (duh!)

The fifth and final novel of the series seems to have been left completely untouched, which suggests that we may be in for more from this series, particularly considering how extremely popular it has been. Since it is only one novel, I smell a movie in the offing, but I could be wrong...


NoBreyner wrote:

Am I wrong if I take what Chitanda said in the shed that she wouldn't mind being seen as a pervert any other day, with Oreki?

I get the impression that she would welcome the opportunity to be seen as a pervert with Oreki, as long as it doesn't reflect badly on her father, or at least if it is deserved because one of them has finally gone and actually done something about the latent sexual tension between them, like confess, embrace, or just reach out and take the other person's hand. All through episode 20 I kept thinking "Tell her she is beautiful, you idiot!" and "Take her in your arms, even if you are using the cold and huddling for warmth as an excuse! Golden opportunity here!!!!!"

Of course, Eru's concern for her reputation as a representative of her father really did put that as being out of the question. (I loved the bit about the obi string, though! That was done extremely well!)


Wow, thanks for all the info. I hadn't done much research up til now, but now I know the layout of the anime. I always get confused when it comes to anime adaptations of light novels because sometimes they insert those little side-stories (which were great by the way) in there at random times. I'm glad there's a clear cut story to all of it. I knew and love the fact it's practically a character development show (some of the best group of characters I've seen in a very long time), they are all not just 1 or 2 dimensional characters but all have layers of personality. Between watching Oreki slowly changing and Satoshi realizing that he doesn't want to be just a database, that hits it home for me. But I hope they continue to animate the rest, it'd be a shame if they just cut it off now. I also love slice-of-life shows so that doesn't turn me off in the least. The animation, character designs, colors, dialogue...especially the dialogue are all so well done. the characters talk to each other very naturally and fluently, and the mysteries are very elaborate, if anyone ever guessed those clues as they were watching then hat's off to them because they are pretty elaborate. The easiest one was about Ogi-sensei...that's the only one I could solve though lol

Side note: I was thinking the same thing with Chitanda in that Kimono...very stunning. And LOL @ your reason for Oreki's behavior to continue helping out the club because it's 100% true.
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Yeah I never understood why some people had trouble figuring out what this show was supposed to be about when it first started last Spring, and the whole "what did I just watch" kind of questioning. As I mentioned when I first posted in this thread it was pretty obvious to me. You knew from Oreki's first lines about not wanting to expel energy unnecessarily and not seeming to want to get involved in anything he doesn't have to, and then meeting Chitanda-san and immediately getting coerced into solving a mystery for her, and then hearing Satoshi's comments to Oreki as they were walking home in the rain about how it seemed unusual for him to do that for Chitanda. It was pretty obvious to me from all that as to what the show was going to be about and what it would focus on.

And OH YEAH!! Satoshi DID get his reward, didn't he. *smacks forehead* I completely forgot about that. Good for him I say.
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Episode 21



Note: this is NOT the finale, there is another episode airing next week.

Anyways, this episode (not being the finale) was alright. There is a little mystery involving chocolates as well possible feelings?!

Intermission quote:


When the air of Spring starts to rise


Chocolate is serious business.
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