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That was a great series, wish it went on a bit longer though.
I'm gonna miss this show.
Maybe there's some hope for a second season or an OVA?


An OVA would be great, but I'm not sure I want a second season. The ending was really well done, imo, and I wouldn't want them messing it up. :)


Yeah, an OVA would probably be the better of the two.
There's still one more volume of the novels that the anime did not cover, just enough to make a five or six episode OVA.


You mean another OVA? "Cuz they already did one (the swimming pool ep with Oreki as the world's laziest lifeguard).

Wouldn't mind another one. Heck Japan does multiple OVA's for other series, why not this one?
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ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGH!!!! What the hell was that big tease at the end?! Why couldnt they have had Oreki just actually confess to her!? WHY!?!?

*headdesk*


Still... the ending made me cry... even with the fantasized confession. >.>

Admittedly it could have been much much much worse... they could have left us hanging. They could have totally farked up the ending so badly they ruined the whole show. But they are awesome writers and even even managed to write in Oreki's honest feelings about Chitanda.


...and now I am going to try to fill this chitanda-sized hole in my heart that this final episode has left.



Yeah I was kind of bummed when I realized a second later that his confession was just fantasized.

And loved the way they added that extra little bit of character development at the end with more background info on the life of Chitanda and how she viewed her place in the world around her as the daughter of such an old and privileged family. She didn't look at her future with excitement, but neither did she see it with disappointment. But it was more like "this is me....and the world I was born into." And she just kind of had that air about her that said she long ago accepted it for better or for worse. It was really beautiful, but in a kind of unconventional way, and was a most interesting way of seeing how life can be like for a child born into circumstances like hers. I wonder how many of us who are not Japanese and were not born into such a rich and traditional family life like she was can look at that scene and honestly say they didn't gain a fresh new perspective on how such a life would be like?

Cheers KyoAni! Cheers!
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Maaannn, this stinks. This is one of the most beautifully paced shows I've seen. The timing was seamless, yet you still felt that the plot progressed. This final episode really did it for me. I wanted another Oreki/Chitanda episode with developing feelings and apparently "ask and you shall receive" because this is exactly what I wanted. And finally, after a very long time, we got some development and history on Chitanda and her feelings. Who could possibly have guessed that she was carrying that burden (well, responsibility...I hesitate to call it a burden because she's embraced it as her future) along with such a smile? But now we finally have a better understanding of who Chitanda is and what she's thinking...That's always great.

I hope for anything at this point. I will take OVA's, Movies, another season (which I prefer) ...I'll take anything. If nothing comes, then I will be forced to read the novels to find out what happens, and I don't like to read. lol

But yeah, I'm truly gonna miss this show. It seems like this season, animes are ending with an unusual amount of episodes. We have Kokoro Connect ending with 17 episodes, Hyouka with 22 episodes, Natsuyuki Rendezvous with 11 episodes (not unusual, but they usually get to 12 episodes), and so on. Gonna miss Oreki's lackluster, energy saving, behavior.

Here's to some sort of sequel or season 2!
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kitsuneshoujo wrote:

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGH!!!! What the hell was that big tease at the end?! Why couldnt they have had Oreki just actually confess to her!? WHY!?!?

*headdesk*


Still... the ending made me cry... even with the fantasized confession. >.>

Admittedly it could have been much much much worse... they could have left us hanging. They could have totally farked up the ending so badly they ruined the whole show. But they are awesome writers and even even managed to write in Oreki's honest feelings about Chitanda.


...and now I am going to try to fill this chitanda-sized hole in my heart that this final episode has left.



Yeah I was kind of bummed when I realized a second later that his confession was just fantasized.

And loved the way they added that extra little bit of character development at the end with more background info on the life of Chitanda and how she viewed her place in the world around her as the daughter of such an old and privileged family. She didn't look at her future with excitement, but neither did she see it with disappointment. But it was more like "this is me....and the world I was born into." And she just kind of had that air about her that said she long ago accepted it for better or for worse. It was really beautiful, but in a kind of unconventional way, and was a most interesting way of seeing how life can be like for a child born into circumstances like hers. I wonder how many of us who are not Japanese and were not born into such a rich and traditional family life like she was can look at that scene and honestly say they didn't gain a fresh new perspective on how such a life would be like?

Cheers KyoAni! Cheers!


I don't think I could have said it better myself. I was also super disappointed about the fantasy confession, but at least it tells us that he's actually thinking about her and their relationship, which they don't do very often at all. So it capped off a great show with a great final episode, and I hope we have more to come, whatever format it may be.
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kitsuneshoujo wrote:

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGH!!!! What the hell was that big tease at the end?! Why couldnt they have had Oreki just actually confess to her!? WHY!?!?

*headdesk*


Still... the ending made me cry... even with the fantasized confession. >.>

Admittedly it could have been much much much worse... they could have left us hanging. They could have totally farked up the ending so badly they ruined the whole show. But they are awesome writers and even even managed to write in Oreki's honest feelings about Chitanda.


...and now I am going to try to fill this chitanda-sized hole in my heart that this final episode has left.



Yeah I was kind of bummed when I realized a second later that his confession was just fantasized.

And loved the way they added that extra little bit of character development at the end with more background info on the life of Chitanda and how she viewed her place in the world around her as the daughter of such an old and privileged family. She didn't look at her future with excitement, but neither did she see it with disappointment. But it was more like "this is me....and the world I was born into." And she just kind of had that air about her that said she long ago accepted it for better or for worse. It was really beautiful, but in a kind of unconventional way, and was a most interesting way of seeing how life can be like for a child born into circumstances like hers. I wonder how many of us who are not Japanese and were not born into such a rich and traditional family life like she was can look at that scene and honestly say they didn't gain a fresh new perspective on how such a life would be like?

Cheers KyoAni! Cheers!





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Maaannn, this stinks. This is one of the most beautifully paced shows I've seen. The timing was seamless, yet you still felt that the plot progressed. This final episode really did it for me. I wanted another Oreki/Chitanda episode with developing feelings and apparently "ask and you shall receive" because this is exactly what I wanted. And finally, after a very long time, we got some development and history on Chitanda and her feelings. Who could possibly have guessed that she was carrying that burden (well, responsibility...I hesitate to call it a burden because she's embraced it as her future) along with such a smile? But now we finally have a better understanding of who Chitanda is and what she's thinking...That's always great.

I hope for anything at this point. I will take OVA's, Movies, another season (which I prefer) ...I'll take anything. If nothing comes, then I will be forced to read the novels to find out what happens, and I don't like to read. lol

But yeah, I'm truly gonna miss this show. It seems like this season, animes are ending with an unusual amount of episodes. We have Kokoro Connect ending with 17 episodes, Hyouka with 22 episodes, Natsuyuki Rendezvous with 11 episodes (not unusual, but they usually get to 12 episodes), and so on. Gonna miss Oreki's lackluster, energy saving, behavior.

Here's to some sort of sequel or season 2!




Very well said gents.
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Yeah I was kind of bummed when I realized a second later that his confession was just fantasized.

And loved the way they added that extra little bit of character development at the end with more background info on the life of Chitanda and how she viewed her place in the world around her as the daughter of such an old and privileged family. She didn't look at her future with excitement, but neither did she see it with disappointment. But it was more like "this is me....and the world I was born into." And she just kind of had that air about her that said she long ago accepted it for better or for worse. It was really beautiful, but in a kind of unconventional way, and was a most interesting way of seeing how life can be like for a child born into circumstances like hers. I wonder how many of us who are not Japanese and were not born into such a rich and traditional family life like she was can look at that scene and honestly say they didn't gain a fresh new perspective on how such a life would be like?

Cheers KyoAni! Cheers!



Perfect post.


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To me it was the best show of the summer. It is sad when a show you enjoy ends. Would love to see a second season. I like the ending in that it seemed to be a good setup for a second season, with the other two seeming to coming together, the poeple inside the shine seeing him as a special person to her and him starting to fall for her.

Over all great anime 9 out of 10
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KaiserSosei wrote:

And loved the way they added that extra little bit of character development at the end with more background info on the life of Chitanda and how she viewed her place in the world around her as the daughter of such an old and privileged family. She didn't look at her future with excitement, but neither did she see it with disappointment. But it was more like "this is me....and the world I was born into." And she just kind of had that air about her that said she long ago accepted it for better or for worse. It was really beautiful, but in a kind of unconventional way, and was a most interesting way of seeing how life can be like for a child born into circumstances like hers. I wonder how many of us who are not Japanese and were not born into such a rich and traditional family life like she was can look at that scene and honestly say they didn't gain a fresh new perspective on how such a life would be like?

Cheers KyoAni! Cheers!


Chitanda and Mayaka were a great study in contrasts. We knew all along how Mayaka felt about Satoshi, and so did he. I liked how that was handled in the last couple of episodes. He really grew up and so did she. There's hope for those two! :)

But Chitanda is much more subtle. She's been interested in Oreki for a while, but I don't think she was truly interested in him until after the school fair. As you pointed out, she's accepted her future with her family. It's one that she looks forward to even if it isn't exciting and appealing to others. There have been hints about that throughout the series, especially when she talks about her family and duty.

So, very slowly, she's been introducing Oreki to her life. Inviting him to see what she is really like when she's not in the club nor in school. He's also been introduced to people associated with her family. This episode was particularly important for that. The guy in charge of the festival obviously approves of Oreki.

Most important of all, of course, was Chitanda's declaration to Oreki under the cherry blossoms. It's a one-in-a-lifetime event and obviously a declaration of love. She's essentially asking him to be with her if he can accept who she is. Oreki realizes this which is why he compares the situation to Satoshi.

Oreki has known he's been in deep smit and that Chitanda is the cause. That's why his lifestyle is in peril. I love how the procession was illustrated as if in a dream. And after Chitanda's confession he truly wanted to confess to her as well. Instead, he talks about the weather. Chitanda, being as smart as she is, turns that into a metaphor with saying spring has arrived. Perhaps it is the spring of their love? But maybe not just yet.

They are a beautiful couple and I really hope they get together. Personally, I don't think Chitanda will let him ever get away. The spell of purple eyes cannot be broken.
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Let's not forget the enduring Japanese symbol of young love: A couple walking under the same umbrella! This entire episode was a metaphor for their budding love.

I did love her response to his comment about it being cold! It proves that she realized something about what was going through his mind when he said "By the way..." then stared into space. Some day he will make that offer to her. Some day he will tell her that he wants to ensure that her dreams come true in every way possible and that there is no one in the world that he cares for as much as her. He realizes it now. Her desire to have him know about her family, her situation, and her future dreams and obligations has given him ample evidence that she feels the same way, but with the reservation that she cannot alter from her duties to the Chitanda clan.

I just hope that the eventual real confession, embrace, and kiss are animated, and not left on the pages of a light novel and/or manga. (I expect it occurs in volume 5, but have no proof...)
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Let's not forget the enduring Japanese symbol of young love: A couple walking under the same umbrella! This entire episode was a metaphor for their budding love.


I forgot about that. The entire episode reminded me strongly of the Uta Koi. I was waiting for them to break out in poems. :)


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I did love her response to his comment about it being cold! It proves that she realized something about what was going through his mind when he said "By the way..." then stared into space. Some day he will make that offer to her. Some day he will tell her that he wants to ensure that her dreams come true in every way possible and that there is no one in the world that he cares for as much as her. He realizes it now. Her desire to have him know about her family, her situation, and her future dreams and obligations has given him ample evidence that she feels the same way, but with the reservation that she cannot alter from her duties to the Chitanda clan.


I totally agree.


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I just hope that the eventual real confession, embrace, and kiss are animated, and not left on the pages of a light novel and/or manga. (I expect it occurs in volume 5, but have no proof...)


I hope so too, however, the title of the book and the chapters have me concerned but hopeful.
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denshiraku wrote:


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denshiraku wrote:

That was a great series, wish it went on a bit longer though.
I'm gonna miss this show.
Maybe there's some hope for a second season or an OVA?


An OVA would be great, but I'm not sure I want a second season. The ending was really well done, imo, and I wouldn't want them messing it up. :)


Yeah, an OVA would probably be the better of the two.
There's still one more volume of the novels that the anime did not cover, just enough to make a five or six episode OVA.


You mean another OVA? "Cuz they already did one (the swimming pool ep with Oreki as the world's laziest lifeguard).

Wouldn't mind another one. Heck Japan does multiple OVA's for other series, why not this one?


Exactly
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KaiserSosei wrote:


kitsuneshoujo wrote:

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGH!!!! What the hell was that big tease at the end?! Why couldnt they have had Oreki just actually confess to her!? WHY!?!?

*headdesk*


Still... the ending made me cry... even with the fantasized confession. >.>

Admittedly it could have been much much much worse... they could have left us hanging. They could have totally farked up the ending so badly they ruined the whole show. But they are awesome writers and even even managed to write in Oreki's honest feelings about Chitanda.


...and now I am going to try to fill this chitanda-sized hole in my heart that this final episode has left.



Yeah I was kind of bummed when I realized a second later that his confession was just fantasized.

And loved the way they added that extra little bit of character development at the end with more background info on the life of Chitanda and how she viewed her place in the world around her as the daughter of such an old and privileged family. She didn't look at her future with excitement, but neither did she see it with disappointment. But it was more like "this is me....and the world I was born into." And she just kind of had that air about her that said she long ago accepted it for better or for worse. It was really beautiful, but in a kind of unconventional way, and was a most interesting way of seeing how life can be like for a child born into circumstances like hers. I wonder how many of us who are not Japanese and were not born into such a rich and traditional family life like she was can look at that scene and honestly say they didn't gain a fresh new perspective on how such a life would be like?

Cheers KyoAni! Cheers!





ninjajake12 wrote:

Maaannn, this stinks. This is one of the most beautifully paced shows I've seen. The timing was seamless, yet you still felt that the plot progressed. This final episode really did it for me. I wanted another Oreki/Chitanda episode with developing feelings and apparently "ask and you shall receive" because this is exactly what I wanted. And finally, after a very long time, we got some development and history on Chitanda and her feelings. Who could possibly have guessed that she was carrying that burden (well, responsibility...I hesitate to call it a burden because she's embraced it as her future) along with such a smile? But now we finally have a better understanding of who Chitanda is and what she's thinking...That's always great.

I hope for anything at this point. I will take OVA's, Movies, another season (which I prefer) ...I'll take anything. If nothing comes, then I will be forced to read the novels to find out what happens, and I don't like to read. lol

But yeah, I'm truly gonna miss this show. It seems like this season, animes are ending with an unusual amount of episodes. We have Kokoro Connect ending with 17 episodes, Hyouka with 22 episodes, Natsuyuki Rendezvous with 11 episodes (not unusual, but they usually get to 12 episodes), and so on. Gonna miss Oreki's lackluster, energy saving, behavior.

Here's to some sort of sequel or season 2!




Very well said gents.


I feel compelled to respond with how awesome that gif is. lol You deserve an applause sir.
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Let's not forget the enduring Japanese symbol of young love: A couple walking under the same umbrella! This entire episode was a metaphor for their budding love.

.)


OMG You are so right! That was masterfully done now that I look back and think about it.

I think most everyone on this whole thread (well those of us who liked the show) can all agree that THIS....is what anime is capable of. That THIS....is an example of how good it can get. That it doesn't have to always be about raunchy harem shows or giant mecha or fighting and action style shows targeted at young males, or overly dramatic tear-jerker style shows, or cutting edge shows that are always trying to push boundaries of what's acceptable, or even shows that try to be daring and controversial just for the sake of being daring and controversial. This show proves that you don't need all that in order to be any good. That you can tell a good romantic story without resorting to slapstick or melodrama.

Here's hoping for more shows like this on in the future.
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Another well written post, deadpanditto!

Hyouka had a flawless ending! This was one of the few open-ended endings that was ever executed well. Chitanda and Oreki's conversation was the one that got to me. I noticed how many people are disappointed with Oreki's unsaid confession. I think having imagined that whole scene was one of the beautiful things about Hyouka. He is clearly smitten and acknowledges that fact. But it's going to be a gradual change for him to become a man who steps up for the girl he likes. I also like how the ending backtracks and shows how different they have become with their daily interactions with one another.

I have high hopes that they'll be a second season. KyoAni deserves just that for a wonderful job they did.
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Hyouka had a flawless ending! This was one of the few open-ended endings that was ever executed well. Chitanda and Oreki's conversation was the one that got to me. I noticed how many people are disappointed with Oreki's unsaid confession. I think having imagined that whole scene was one of the beautiful things about Hyouka. He is clearly smitten and acknowledges that fact. But it's going to be a gradual change for him to become a man who steps up for the girl he likes. I also like how the ending backtracks and shows how different they have become with their daily interactions with one another.

I have high hopes that they'll be a second season. KyoAni deserves just that for a wonderful job they did.


Absolutely agree with the sentiment, but I suspect the follow-up may not happen right away, at least not as an additional season. The first two cores have used up four out of the five light novels of the "Kotenbu" series currently published. Even with the additional short story that is apparently also out there, they may not have enough material to do another core at this point. However, five or six episodes of OVA are certainly not out of the question.

If they got to the end of that with the romances still simmering, but did it as nicely as this, I still wouldn't be disappointed.
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