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People lie too much,wether it is to save face or make people feel better.I read some forum stuff,my boots are covered in brown stink from five seconds of reading.Especially in the guys only forum of do guys really care about woman's breast size.Only two people answered honestly. I hate liars and hypocrites.This guy actually dissed his girl for having glands,or that is if his girl is not imaginary.Why do people gotta lie so much?
Individuals are the biggest falsifiers of ego-centered truths.
It requires education, enlightenment, and courage of your convictions to be open and truthful at the same time. Everyone else is open, but not truthful, because lacking information, lacking a good answer to any question -- makes them feel inadequate. They would rather lie, they would rather claim to know the truth, they would rather make up a story than live with that feeling of inadequacy. And when they know the correct answer but don't like it, they will twist it until they can deny it and move on. (As with evolutionary theory).
Overall, this human emotional reaction to being questioned, is how we got religion. People with no telescopes and no microscopes just invented a bullshit campfire story of one kind or another. Happened in every single society on earth.
I do agree with this. Just seems interesting how you seem to flame on religion at any chance you get, not there there's anything wrong with it, just noticed it.
Frankly, I'm sick to death of the notion that deluded people deserve any amount of respect. They deserve to be laughed at as any adult would be for still believing in Santa.
Opinions do not trump facts. Not even in religious people's lives. Otherwise they could leave for work in the morning through the front door, or a 3rd story window and it wouldn't land them in the hospital. Truth matters. Evidence matters. Knowledge matters. Opinions are nothing more than claims, and a claim without evidence is indistinguishable from a delusion. People who believe things without evidence end up hurting themselves and others. Either directly, or indirectly.
It saddens me somewhat that you believe deluded people deserves to be laughed at. I'm a non-believer myself, but I would never think that people with religion deserves disrespect, unless they try to force their own belief upon me. I generally like discussing religion with others and have done so for a while, but I have the highest respect for the other person's beliefs, no matter how deluded they seem to be.
I completely agree that opinions does not trump facts, that an opinion is nothing more than a claim, but I would still say people who do not believe in things still hurt themselves and others. I mean, just as much as religous people do, for one reason or the other.
It saddens me that so many good people have yet to understand what they're defending.
You have yet to fully, or correctly analyze the extent to which they have unbalanced our world. I will not inform you, only suggest you read the same ten thousands books I have. The men with only one book are evil. They preach evil. They do it thinking it to be good. They truly know not what they do. Their hands are soaked in blood. Their sin continues in the sons of preaching fathers. The sin of ignorance. The sin of arrogance. The sin of pretending to know the mind of the infinite unknowable and exactly what it wants.
Wisdom... It can not be gained from just one book.
To even suggest it is a form of insanity.
There is no reason to expect to survive the meeting of 21st century technology and religious fundamentalism.
None. We are all facing an enemy undeterred by mutually assured destruction.
We face the wishful thinking of deluded men.
In all fairness, reading ten thousands of books doesn't equal great wisdom... Did you ever consider that your hate towards people with beliefs is just as destructive as religous fundamentalism?
One more time....
The words hate & intolerance as used in regards to people of religious faith entails:
Genocide, the destruction of nations, and the torture of innocent men, women, and children.
The words hate & intolerance as used in regards to atheists and free thinkers entails:
Destroying bullshit arguments, and hurting no one.
Atheism and free thinking has never been the one with all the power, so that argument is kinda moot. I am sure that if atheism does gain the power of being the main idea (which I think is likely) I don't have too much hope in the fact that it won't follow in the same footsteps as religions have. It comes down to the very simplistic "My ideals are better than yours" taken to extremes whether or not because of a belief in God, Gods, or Goddesses.
Moral relativism trumps dogmatism. Of course it's better, don't be silly, free thinkers actually think things through before coming to decisions. They aren't handed dubious orders from on-high.
You sure that argument is moot because reasonable people will start doing unreasonable things just the same way deluded scripture following fundamentalists do? That's a bit of a leap. Especially when the most secular countries in the world also have the lowest crime rates.
Atheists don't follow dogmatic nonsense, in fact we are defined by the fact that we refuse to follow it.
Only fundamentalist brainwashing can lead to religious actions like: ritual child mutilation, murdering women as witches (still happening in radicalized Christian Africa today), murdering innocent men for being homosexual (same), murdering people in other denominations of the same faith (never ending), murdering people in denominations of wholly different faiths (never ending), murdering people with no faith (never ending), hijacking planes and flying them into buildings, blowing planes up with everyone on board, the deliberate targeting of civilians (never ending), the deliberate massacre of civilians in the form of genocide because of their religious affiliations (never ending), suppressing social equality, suppressing religious equality (you can thank free thinkers for the separation of church and state), suppressing sexual equality, suppressing marriage equality, suppressing reproductive rights, suppressing free speech, puritanical censorship of television, puritanical censorship of radio, puritanical censorship of the internet, puritanical censorship of artwork, child rape by trusted moral authorities of God, institutionalized child rape within the church, institutionalized child rape as protected by an oligarchy of priests who knowingly place pedophiles in churches around the world and then shift them across the globe when they're caught raping children and then the organization browbeats the parents of raped children into thinking they must not call the police, they must forgive child rapists and ignore the suffering of innocent children, encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa by calling condoms evil, preventing the eradication of polio and allowing it to resurface because scripture dictates avoidance of modern medicine, allowing children with easily curable medical conditions to suffer and die because scripture dictates avoidance of modern medicine, shall I continue....?
None of those actions have motivations which free thinkers hold to. Atheists lack collective motivation, or willingness to enact any of it. So we can at least cross that stuff off the list of atrocities we're used to seeing in this religiously dominated world.
LOL well you just defined the well known "evils" of Christians but fail to look at evils created by free thinkers. Lets just take the Nazi's though germany IS largely christian. Hitler however is not a follower and his ideals are what lead to the Nazi way. Now if you look at your list and compare them with the things involved in that war you won't see many that don't line up to be as bad or worse. Bad disgusting people are out there no matter religion or no. I am not defending those people I just think its silly that one would think that its going to dissapear because of a different belief system is in place.
As for atheists lacking collective motivation that is not correct either. I am not saying that atheist will do wrong to protect atheism, but they will for what they believe in. Morals, ideals, politics... pretty much the same things that motivate the religious. Mob mentality will always be a part of humans which means that it is always possible for the above stuff you posted or new and just as aweful things to occur.
But whatever you obviously have rose colored glasses where atheism is concerned and honestly I think atheism has hope as long as long as there is a value/moral basing to guide it, but as of now there isn't. Anyways this is my last post on the subject, thanks for the discussion on it. :D
Disgusting apologetics. That is one of the most well known lies of the 20th century. Atheists do not = fundamentalists. Moral relativism leads people to thinking things through, not blinding accepting orders, or giving in to mob rule.
Nazi Germany, one of the most fervently Christian countries in Europe are an example of what atheists would do? No. Nobody did any of that in the name of atheism, or with any awareness of the term. Regardless of Hitler's beliefs, he was able to use the Jews as a social scapegoat entirely because of the religious motivations which endless years of bigoted pulpit preaching "passion plays" and christian intolerance, dictated by the Christian doctrine were already widely accepted by the bigoted German public. If the Germans weren't such strong Catholics, they wouldn't have supported the message.
You can replace the word Nazis, or European Axis Powers with RIGHT WING CHRISTIANS in any book written about WWII and you won't have to modify a single sentence. All German soldiers had "God with Us" on their belt buckles. The Vatican Church happily gave them its blessing in writing in the documents signed by the Pope before they had even taken Europe. And again after they had killed half of Europe.
Don't pretend atheists killed anyone when not even 2% of the population were non-believers. And they were rounded up and killed along with the Gypsies and Jews.
To outright falsify your claim: to this very day the most secular countries in the world still have the lowest crime rates. As for what atheists will do when in charge, it isn't mob rule, you're so wrong, if you had a better grasp of the facts, I'd accuse you of lying. Atheists aren't motivated to do horribly stupid things as prescribed by dogmatic scripture and you have utterly failed to prove otherwise. Free thinkers wrote the greatest constitution in history, fully detailing the rights of man. A Constitution which became a model for the entire free world.
As for your other suggestion. It actually does take religion to get good people to do horrible things. Only with the blind faith of religion can they do evil while thinking it to be good.
wish i could present the discussion as well as you do haha
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People lie too much,wether it is to save face or make people feel better.I read some forum stuff,my boots are covered in brown stink from five seconds of reading.Especially in the guys only forum of do guys really care about woman's breast size.Only two people answered honestly. I hate liars and hypocrites.This guy actually dissed his girl for having glands,or that is if his girl is not imaginary.Why do people gotta lie so much?
Individuals are the biggest falsifiers of ego-centered truths.
It requires education, enlightenment, and courage of your convictions to be open and truthful at the same time. Everyone else is open, but not truthful, because lacking information, lacking a good answer to any question -- makes them feel inadequate. They would rather lie, they would rather claim to know the truth, they would rather make up a story than live with that feeling of inadequacy. And when they know the correct answer but don't like it, they will twist it until they can deny it and move on. (As with evolutionary theory).
Overall, this human emotional reaction to being questioned, is how we got religion. People with no telescopes and no microscopes just invented a bullshit campfire story of one kind or another. Happened in every single society on earth.
I do agree with this. Just seems interesting how you seem to flame on religion at any chance you get, not there there's anything wrong with it, just noticed it.
Frankly, I'm sick to death of the notion that deluded people deserve any amount of respect. They deserve to be laughed at as any adult would be for still believing in Santa.
Opinions do not trump facts. Not even in religious people's lives. Otherwise they could leave for work in the morning through the front door, or a 3rd story window and it wouldn't land them in the hospital. Truth matters. Evidence matters. Knowledge matters. Opinions are nothing more than claims, and a claim without evidence is indistinguishable from a delusion. People who believe things without evidence end up hurting themselves and others. Either directly, or indirectly.
It saddens me somewhat that you believe deluded people deserves to be laughed at. I'm a non-believer myself, but I would never think that people with religion deserves disrespect, unless they try to force their own belief upon me. I generally like discussing religion with others and have done so for a while, but I have the highest respect for the other person's beliefs, no matter how deluded they seem to be.
I completely agree that opinions does not trump facts, that an opinion is nothing more than a claim, but I would still say people who do not believe in things still hurt themselves and others. I mean, just as much as religous people do, for one reason or the other.
It saddens me that so many good people have yet to understand what they're defending.
You have yet to fully, or correctly analyze the extent to which they have unbalanced our world. I will not inform you, only suggest you read the same ten thousands books I have. The men with only one book are evil. They preach evil. They do it thinking it to be good. They truly know not what they do. Their hands are soaked in blood. Their sin continues in the sons of preaching fathers. The sin of ignorance. The sin of arrogance. The sin of pretending to know the mind of the infinite unknowable and exactly what it wants.
Wisdom... It can not be gained from just one book.
To even suggest it is a form of insanity.
There is no reason to expect to survive the meeting of 21st century technology and religious fundamentalism.
None. We are all facing an enemy undeterred by mutually assured destruction.
We face the wishful thinking of deluded men.
In all fairness, reading ten thousands of books doesn't equal great wisdom... Did you ever consider that your hate towards people with beliefs is just as destructive as religous fundamentalism?
One more time....
The words hate & intolerance as used in regards to people of religious faith entails:
Genocide, the destruction of nations, and the torture of innocent men, women, and children.
The words hate & intolerance as used in regards to atheists and free thinkers entails:
Destroying bullshit arguments, and hurting no one.
Atheism and free thinking has never been the one with all the power, so that argument is kinda moot. I am sure that if atheism does gain the power of being the main idea (which I think is likely) I don't have too much hope in the fact that it won't follow in the same footsteps as religions have. It comes down to the very simplistic "My ideals are better than yours" taken to extremes whether or not because of a belief in God, Gods, or Goddesses.
Moral relativism trumps dogmatism. Of course it's better, don't be silly, free thinkers actually think things through before coming to decisions. They aren't handed dubious orders from on-high.
You sure that argument is moot because reasonable people will start doing unreasonable things just the same way deluded scripture following fundamentalists do? That's a bit of a leap. Especially when the most secular countries in the world also have the lowest crime rates.
Atheists don't follow dogmatic nonsense, in fact we are defined by the fact that we refuse to follow it.
Only fundamentalist brainwashing can lead to religious actions like: ritual child mutilation, murdering women as witches (still happening in radicalized Christian Africa today), murdering innocent men for being homosexual (same), murdering people in other denominations of the same faith (never ending), murdering people in denominations of wholly different faiths (never ending), murdering people with no faith (never ending), hijacking planes and flying them into buildings, blowing planes up with everyone on board, the deliberate targeting of civilians (never ending), the deliberate massacre of civilians in the form of genocide because of their religious affiliations (never ending), suppressing social equality, suppressing religious equality (you can thank free thinkers for the separation of church and state), suppressing sexual equality, suppressing marriage equality, suppressing reproductive rights, suppressing free speech, puritanical censorship of television, puritanical censorship of radio, puritanical censorship of the internet, puritanical censorship of artwork, child rape by trusted moral authorities of God, institutionalized child rape within the church, institutionalized child rape as protected by an oligarchy of priests who knowingly place pedophiles in churches around the world and then shift them across the globe when they're caught raping children and then the organization browbeats the parents of raped children into thinking they must not call the police, they must forgive child rapists and ignore the suffering of innocent children, encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa by calling condoms evil, preventing the eradication of polio and allowing it to resurface because scripture dictates avoidance of modern medicine, allowing children with easily curable medical conditions to suffer and die because scripture dictates avoidance of modern medicine, shall I continue....?
None of those actions have motivations which free thinkers hold to. Atheists lack collective motivation, or willingness to enact any of it. So we can at least cross that stuff off the list of atrocities we're used to seeing in this religiously dominated world.
LOL well you just defined the well known "evils" of Christians but fail to look at evils created by free thinkers. Lets just take the Nazi's though germany IS largely christian. Hitler however is not a follower and his ideals are what lead to the Nazi way. Now if you look at your list and compare them with the things involved in that war you won't see many that don't line up to be as bad or worse. Bad disgusting people are out there no matter religion or no. I am not defending those people I just think its silly that one would think that its going to dissapear because of a different belief system is in place.
As for atheists lacking collective motivation that is not correct either. I am not saying that atheist will do wrong to protect atheism, but they will for what they believe in. Morals, ideals, politics... pretty much the same things that motivate the religious. Mob mentality will always be a part of humans which means that it is always possible for the above stuff you posted or new and just as aweful things to occur.
But whatever you obviously have rose colored glasses where atheism is concerned and honestly I think atheism has hope as long as long as there is a value/moral basing to guide it, but as of now there isn't. Anyways this is my last post on the subject, thanks for the discussion on it. :D
Disgusting apologetics. That is one of the most well known lies of the 20th century. Atheists do not = fundamentalists. Moral relativism leads people to thinking things through, not blinding accepting orders, or giving in to mob rule.
Nazi Germany, one of the most fervently Christian countries in Europe are an example of what atheists would do? No. Nobody did any of that in the name of atheism, or with any awareness of the term. Regardless of Hitler's beliefs, he was able to use the Jews as a social scapegoat entirely because of the religious motivations which endless years of bigoted pulpit preaching "passion plays" and christian intolerance, dictated by the Christian doctrine were already widely accepted by the bigoted German public. If the Germans weren't such strong Catholics, they wouldn't have supported the message.
You can replace the word Nazis, or European Axis Powers with RIGHT WING CHRISTIANS in any book written about WWII and you won't have to modify a single sentence. All German soldiers had "God with Us" on their belt buckles. The Vatican Church happily gave them its blessing in writing in the documents signed by the Pope before they had even taken Europe. And again after they had killed half of Europe.
Don't pretend atheists killed anyone when not even 2% of the population were non-believers. And they were rounded up and killed along with the Gypsies and Jews.
To outright falsify your claim: to this very day the most secular countries in the world still have the lowest crime rates. As for what atheists will do when in charge, it isn't mob rule, you're so wrong, if you had a better grasp of the facts, I'd accuse you of lying. Atheists aren't motivated to do horribly stupid things as prescribed by dogmatic scripture and you have utterly failed to prove otherwise. Free thinkers wrote the greatest constitution in history, fully detailing the rights of man. A Constitution which became a model for the entire free world.
As for your other suggestion. It actually does take religion to get good people to do horrible things. Only with the blind faith of religion can they do evil while thinking it to be good.
wish i could present the discussion as well as you do haha
That was a great read. LOL didnt expect to read something like that in a forum. Especially on this site.
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Aww, but it's not like I'm fat, wear glasses, and have a face undergoing massive volcanic activity!
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