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why do people lie on forum topics?
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to make their lives seem better to people who have no way of finding out how bad their lives really are.
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AshRandom wrote:


DesidusRyke wrote:


LOL well you just defined the well known "evils" of Christians but fail to look at evils created by free thinkers. Lets just take the Nazi's though germany IS largely christian. Hitler however is not a follower and his ideals are what lead to the Nazi way. Now if you look at your list and compare them with the things involved in that war you won't see many that don't line up to be as bad or worse. Bad disgusting people are out there no matter religion or no. I am not defending those people I just think its silly that one would think that its going to dissapear because of a different belief system is in place.

As for atheists lacking collective motivation that is not correct either. I am not saying that atheist will do wrong to protect atheism, but they will for what they believe in. Morals, ideals, politics... pretty much the same things that motivate the religious. Mob mentality will always be a part of humans which means that it is always possible for the above stuff you posted or new and just as aweful things to occur.

But whatever you obviously have rose colored glasses where atheism is concerned and honestly I think atheism has hope as long as long as there is a value/moral basing to guide it, but as of now there isn't. Anyways this is my last post on the subject, thanks for the discussion on it. :D

Disgusting apologetics. That is one of the most well known lies of the 20th century. Atheists do not = fundamentalists. Moral relativism leads people to thinking things through, not blinding accepting orders, or giving in to mob rule.

Nazi Germany, one of the most fervently Christian countries in Europe are an example of what atheists would do? No. Nobody did any of that in the name of atheism, or with any awareness of the term. Regardless of Hitler's beliefs, he was able to use the Jews as a social scapegoat entirely because of the religious motivations which endless years of bigoted pulpit preaching "passion plays" and christian intolerance, dictated by the Christian doctrine were already widely accepted by the bigoted German public. If the Germans weren't such strong Catholics, they wouldn't have supported the message.

You can replace the word Nazis, or European Axis Powers with RIGHT WING CHRISTIANS in any book written about WWII and you won't have to modify a single sentence. All German soldiers had "God with Us" on their belt buckles. The Vatican Church happily gave them its blessing in writing in the documents signed by the Pope before they had even taken Europe. And again after they had killed half of Europe.

Don't pretend atheists killed anyone when not even 2% of the population were non-believers. And they were rounded up and killed along with the Gypsies and Jews.

To outright falsify your claim: to this very day the most secular countries in the world still have the lowest crime rates. As for what atheists will do when in charge, it isn't mob rule, you're so wrong, if you had a better grasp of the facts, I'd accuse you of lying. Atheists aren't motivated to do horribly stupid things as prescribed by dogmatic scripture and you have utterly failed to prove otherwise. Free thinkers wrote the greatest constitution in history, fully detailing the rights of man. A Constitution which became a model for the entire free world.

As for your other suggestion. It actually does take religion to get good people to do horrible things. Only with the blind faith of religion can they do evil while thinking it to be good.


wish i could present the discussion as well as you do haha
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... Why is this thread so heated up? who cares if people lie? its not your problem if they want to be fake.
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Why do people lie on forums? everyone has their reasons and if they're willing to lie to keep them hidden I wont pry.
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Axerith wrote:


AshRandom wrote:


DesidusRyke wrote:


LOL well you just defined the well known "evils" of Christians but fail to look at evils created by free thinkers. Lets just take the Nazi's though germany IS largely christian. Hitler however is not a follower and his ideals are what lead to the Nazi way. Now if you look at your list and compare them with the things involved in that war you won't see many that don't line up to be as bad or worse. Bad disgusting people are out there no matter religion or no. I am not defending those people I just think its silly that one would think that its going to dissapear because of a different belief system is in place.

As for atheists lacking collective motivation that is not correct either. I am not saying that atheist will do wrong to protect atheism, but they will for what they believe in. Morals, ideals, politics... pretty much the same things that motivate the religious. Mob mentality will always be a part of humans which means that it is always possible for the above stuff you posted or new and just as aweful things to occur.

But whatever you obviously have rose colored glasses where atheism is concerned and honestly I think atheism has hope as long as long as there is a value/moral basing to guide it, but as of now there isn't. Anyways this is my last post on the subject, thanks for the discussion on it. :D

Disgusting apologetics. That is one of the most well known lies of the 20th century. Atheists do not = fundamentalists. Moral relativism leads people to thinking things through, not blinding accepting orders, or giving in to mob rule.

Nazi Germany, one of the most fervently Christian countries in Europe are an example of what atheists would do? No. Nobody did any of that in the name of atheism, or with any awareness of the term. Regardless of Hitler's beliefs, he was able to use the Jews as a social scapegoat entirely because of the religious motivations which endless years of bigoted pulpit preaching "passion plays" and christian intolerance, dictated by the Christian doctrine were already widely accepted by the bigoted German public. If the Germans weren't such strong Catholics, they wouldn't have supported the message.

You can replace the word Nazis, or European Axis Powers with RIGHT WING CHRISTIANS in any book written about WWII and you won't have to modify a single sentence. All German soldiers had "God with Us" on their belt buckles. The Vatican Church happily gave them its blessing in writing in the documents signed by the Pope before they had even taken Europe. And again after they had killed half of Europe.

Don't pretend atheists killed anyone when not even 2% of the population were non-believers. And they were rounded up and killed along with the Gypsies and Jews.

To outright falsify your claim: to this very day the most secular countries in the world still have the lowest crime rates. As for what atheists will do when in charge, it isn't mob rule, you're so wrong, if you had a better grasp of the facts, I'd accuse you of lying. Atheists aren't motivated to do horribly stupid things as prescribed by dogmatic scripture and you have utterly failed to prove otherwise. Free thinkers wrote the greatest constitution in history, fully detailing the rights of man. A Constitution which became a model for the entire free world.

As for your other suggestion. It actually does take religion to get good people to do horrible things. Only with the blind faith of religion can they do evil while thinking it to be good.


wish i could present the discussion as well as you do haha


That was a great read. LOL didnt expect to read something like that in a forum. Especially on this site.
Posted 9/5/12

shadorai wrote:

to make their lives seem better to people who have no way of finding out how bad their lives really are.


Aww, but it's not like I'm fat, wear glasses, and have a face undergoing massive volcanic activity!
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Just enjoy life and all its form, you dont need to worry about anything that doesnt affect you really
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Are you kidding me?

I'm telling you, my penis really is 9 inches long.
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I look like Jessica Alba =O You don't know if that is a lie
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To be cooler maybe.
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cause the truth is often boring
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because they are just "untruthful" people
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cause the truth is often boring


and many hate boring people !
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It's true big breasts make the world a better place. Small breasts on the other hand... Gross
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Kuro_Kiri wrote:

Because they can and you'd barely know if they were.


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