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www.watchop.com I think is the url, good place to watch all the OP episodes, new episodes are up every sat.
Awesome. Thanks for the link.

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no Problem, let me know if that doesn't work and we will see what else we can find you.
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Brooooooooooook ♥
Yohohoho~

The arc that comes after that though...
I am so excited for youuu~
I wish I could watch it all over again.
The excitement, thrill, frustration, fear and sadness.
One Piece delivers them all so well.






Done with the Thriller Bark arc. Zoro made me cry at the last part of it. Ohmygawd.

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Well, it took about a month or so. But I am finally up to date on the One Piece anime. And given the fact that I just absorbed about 12 years of anime in a month, I'm full of opinions that I need to get out. One Piece anime spoilers ahead:

First off, I'd like to start by saying I enjoy the series and it has been added to my weekly watch list. However, I really hate the fact that it seems like all the longest running anime, DBZ, Naruto, One Piece, feature a main character who is a happy go lucky idiot with a heart of gold and a strong right hook.

Happy go lucky, fine. Heart of gold, okay. But why idiot? I just don't understand the appeal at all. It's a little more tolerable in other series, but Luffy is a captain. A leader. Having been a leader myself a few times, I can tell you it takes a hell of a lot more than good intentions to be one. The hands down, irrefutable, most important quality a leader needs, is the ability to make good and intelligent decisions. I cringe with disgust every time I see Luffy's own crew throw him to the ground and stomp him because he did or said something stupid.

I get this one of those shows that needs idiots for their brand of comedy, but the captain shouldn't be one of them. I didn't know what to expect when I first started watching. So I was hoping for a pirate captain like Kato Marika. Happy go lucky, acts kind of doofy once in a while. But when the heat is on, formulates genius strategies on the fly. Luffy is a tough guy and I enjoy seeing him grow and mature, but he's not captain material. Let alone King of Pirates material.

Anyway, on to other things. I am also disappointed by constantly recurring plots and themes. How many times can a group pirates show up in a country embroiled in turmoil, beat up the bad guys, save the country, and be thanked with a banquet? And every time a female joins the crew, she joins for a little while, betrays the crew and leaves, the crew tracks her down against her wishes, finds out she had a good reason, rescues her and saves the day. And don't even get me started on Brook and "Oh, but I'm already dead oh ho ho ho" line.

When I first started watching the series, I mentioned in this very thread how much I hated Usopp and wanted him to die. I was told I would grow to like him. I said the best he could hope for was me hating him less. Yeah, like I said. He's not as much of a coward, but he still trembles all the time and tries to convince everyone to run away from most situations. One person even said "he gets manly as hell with 6 pack abs". It's hard to say a guy is manly when he's crying and shaking in fear.

I was also disappointed by the Whitebeard war saga. Don't get me wrong, it was filled with lots of great fights and tense moments. But I don't like the way things went down at all. I didn't like how the crew got separated. When the pirate fleet stormed Marineford, I wanted the Sunny to be at the head of the pack. When that didn't happen, every time Luffy got in trouble I kept waiting to hear "108 POUND PHOENIX" come in from the side. That didn't happen either.

And then, when they finally decide to have people die. It's two of the coolest characters in the show, and not Usopp. Whitebeard I could understand, but Ace's death was stupid and pointless. Luffy already knew he needed to become stronger if he wanted to protect his friends after he failed to do so at Sabaody. Ace didn't need to die to emphasize that. Usopp would have been a much better choice since he is a member of a Strawhats and Luffy is obligated to protect them.

Anyway, I doubt anyone read all that. But I still felt the need to get that off my chest. I still have more I wanted to say, but I'll save that for an other time. And the series is still ongoing, so here's hoping Usopp dies in the days to come :-)
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I see what you mean with Luffy being an idiot thing but it's very rare for a mass of people to like a character that's always serious and you can't find a love for. Him being an idiot makes it more interesting to see things he does to solve a situation he's in. When he fought Don Kreig I thought he was stupid for hitting his spear for so long getting blown up. Then I found out that he kept doing that to break the spear. That's when I thought that it was an idiot way of solving the situation but seriously... it's just interesting to see him do that. Unlike in shows like Bleach where the way to beat him is getting stronger or unleashing some new transformation. I hope I explained that in at least a reasonable way.

Eichiri Oda said that he planned Ace's death a long time ago because he said he needed a TRUE reason for Luffy to want to grow stronger. To me his death was just a regular event that had to happen in Luffy's life to make him take the next step in his life to grow. Kinda like how in Naruto when he fought Pain,
made him want to become stronger so he could protect his village. I believe having someone special to Luffy die was a big waking up moment that was meant to happen to insure his future.

Also Usopp is my favorite character. Do you at least like Sogeking because that's the whole reason I like him? Usopp does grow stronger over time, but he has to still stay true to his character as the wimpy Lier though. He does show strength throughout the series also, though the only example I have is when he fought Perona. You have to remember that unlike Luffy, Sanji, Zoro, or Franky that Usopp is only human so he can't do all the things that they can do. You can't expect him to go up against someone like Lucci without a plan lol.

You have your points and I agree on the girl's leaving part, and also Ace's death part. I love Luffy's character though because he just makes it more interesting then seeing a serious character all the time. Which is why most people like shows like Gintama and BeelzeBub because the protagonist is interesting and funny. I hope my points weren't all that bad and I got my point across at least a little bit. I'm not the best explainer to people sometimes but I try my best lol.

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I don't think of Luffy is quite as much of an idiot as he usually seems but I do think his perception of what is dangerous is very different.

Luffy grew up pretty much invulnerable. It took him a while to become super strong but from the day he ate that fruit he was pretty much immune to harm from most things. Getting hurt by things is how kids learn what not to do.

and then there is Luffy who grew up with a body that was immune to most forms of harm and can heal just by eating a lot of meat.


That is going to result in a guy with a very of kilter sense of danger.
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aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh how could you want Usopp to die he is awesome, he may be scared but when push comes to shove he''ll risk his life for his friends and there is already enough brave tough characters in the crew.
As for Luffy he is probably the best character in any anime ever and would make a good pirate king, he may not be smart be he has good instincts and he may get stomped by the crew for comedic value but in a serious situation the crew listens to him and have huge respect for him as captain.
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I'm sorry, who exactly said anything about a character that's always serious? Could you please go back and quote that specific area, I seem to be confused. Because I clearly mentioned in the above post a rookie pirate captain of a different widely loved anime who is also happy go lucky, and a little doofy. But when the need arises, she's also a brilliant strategist and a quick thinker who makes good decisions on the fly.

Luffy being an idiot does not make things more interesting. Quite the opposite, in fact. It simplifies them. Makes them predictable. Because instead of coming up with a plan you don't see coming, his solution is usually just punch it until it breaks. In the case of Don Krieg, I knew that's what he was doing after the first time he hit the thing.

And Luffy had a TRUE reason to want to grow stronger. Did you not see his tears of anger and frustration at the end of Sabaody Archipelago arc? Did you not hear his screams of agony and torment as his broken and defeated crew were scattered to the far corners of the world because he wasn't strong enough to protect them? He knew then and there he needed to get stronger for their sakes. He just didn't have the means to do so, and with Ace's imminent execution, he didn't have the time.

Ace's death was flat out retarded. He was in the clear, and in a matter of 60 seconds, he turned around to fight and was killed because someone called his pops a mean name. So thousands of people, including his beloved pops, fought and died for nothing. Ace spit in the face of all their sacrifices when some smug insults back at Akainu would have more than enough.

And Usopp, ahhh Usopp. Anime aside, do you know what courage is? Courage is not simply not being afraid of anything. Courage is the ability to face that which terrifies you, and overcome it. The only reason Usopp fought Perona in the first place is because he thought her ability didn't work on him. He was expecting an easy win. And when it didn't go down that way, he only continued fighting because he was cornered and it was fight or die.

And by the way, as far as "unlike Zoro and Sanji, Usopp is only human." Umm, yeah. Zorro and Sanji are only human too. They don't have super powers. They're just strong. But I don't expect or even want Usopp to be as strong as they are. What I want is for Usopp to stop crying, running away, and hiding. He can be wimpy. He can be afraid. But until he can face his fear without being forced in to it or cornered, he's a crappy character and I hope he gets killed off.

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I don't think of Luffy is quite as much of an idiot as he usually seems but I do think his perception of what is dangerous is very different.

Luffy grew up pretty much invulnerable. It took him a while to become super strong but from the day he ate that fruit he was pretty much immune to harm from most things. Getting hurt by things is how kids learn what not to do.

and then there is Luffy who grew up with a body that was immune to most forms of harm and can heal just by eating a lot of meat.


That is going to result in a guy with a very of kilter sense of danger.
To this day, Luffy has no idea that Sogeking, is Usopp. Even Franky figured that out instantly. Chopper doesn't know either, but that's because of his child like naivety rather than him being stupid. As far as Luffys sense of danger, he has no reason to be afraid of things that can't hurt him or he can easily maneuver around. That's not what makes him an idiot. What makes him an idiot is decisions he makes like wanting to go hide at an amusement park after his friend was just kidnapped from there. There's no two ways about it, that's just stupid. Not fearing for his own safety is one thing, but dumb decisions like that put everyone at risk. As a captain, his crew should be able to follow any order he gives and not have to ignore the stupid ones.

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Ok I'll give you that, he isn't exactly swift on the uptake.

but he has also shown good instinct and judgment in other situations.

Like the Alabasta arc. Luffy understood what really needed to be done there, He understood that Vivi's goals were naive and unrealistic and he forced her to face that.

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One Piece is probably the best example, in any artistic medium, of what friendship really can mean. Just from watching the anime, I look at the bonds I hold with the friends closest to me and I see them as my nakama. I cherish them so much more, to the point of dying for them without hesitation, just because I truly do regard them as my crew. People I can trust with my life, my adventure and my "treasure."

Thank you, Luffy. You helped me be the best friend I can be.
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Happy go lucky, fine. Heart of gold, okay. But why idiot? I just don't understand the appeal at all. It's a little more tolerable in other series, but Luffy is a captain. A leader. Having been a leader myself a few times, I can tell you it takes a hell of a lot more than good intentions to be one. The hands down, irrefutable, most important quality a leader needs, is the ability to make good and intelligent decisions. I cringe with disgust every time I see Luffy's own crew throw him to the ground and stomp him because he did or said something stupid.

I get this one of those shows that needs idiots for their brand of comedy, but the captain shouldn't be one of them. I didn't know what to expect when I first started watching. So I was hoping for a pirate captain like Kato Marika. Happy go lucky, acts kind of doofy once in a while. But when the heat is on, formulates genius strategies on the fly. Luffy is a tough guy and I enjoy seeing him grow and mature, but he's not captain material. Let alone King of Pirates material.


In other words, you want Luffy's character to be the other way around. "Cool" and "serious", but at times can be goofy. It makes sense considering Ace is one of your favorite characters, but why would you want two? It's not unusual for siblings in anime to have opposite personalities. You're being ridiculous. While you're at it, while don't you try to explain what qualifies "King of Pirates material"? Because from the little amount of information regarding the Pirate King that has been revealed so far, there's only been indicants of Luffy's similarity to Gold Roger. "Formulates genius strategies on the fly." I'm guessing you're just fanboying over the main girl from Miniskirt Space Pirates hoping to see another similar character in another show, which is truthfully sad.

You've been a "leader" yourself a few times. Lol. I can picture you sitting at your computer, complaining to yourself as you watch OP, "Oh my god! That's not how a leader works! I've been a leader myself so I know it, Luffy!" Pathetically, you're watching anime with the wrong intentions.


When I first started watching the series, I mentioned in this very thread how much I hated Usopp and wanted him to die. I was told I would grow to like him. I said the best he could hope for was me hating him less. Yeah, like I said. He's not as much of a coward, but he still trembles all the time and tries to convince everyone to run away from most situations. One person even said "he gets manly as hell with 6 pack abs". It's hard to say a guy is manly when he's crying and shaking in fear.


It's understandable, considering you dislike Luffy due to his "idiocy" and want him to be more like Ace. I can tell without guessing that you're a homosexual. It's perfectly fine to be homosexual, but just because you desire an abundance of yaoi between Ace and Zoro, don't expect all anime characters to go according to the "cool" personality that sets your penis on fire.


I was also disappointed by the Whitebeard war saga. Don't get me wrong, it was filled with lots of great fights and tense moments. But I don't like the way things went down at all. I didn't like how the crew got separated. When the pirate fleet stormed Marineford, I wanted the Sunny to be at the head of the pack. When that didn't happen, every time Luffy got in trouble I kept waiting to hear "108 POUND PHOENIX" come in from the side. That didn't happen either.


Again, you're asking for too much. Do you watch all animes predetermining what's going to happen, then finally when it doesn't happen you decide the show is the one making the mistakes?


And then, when they finally decide to have people die. It's two of the coolest characters in the show, and not Usopp. Whitebeard I could understand, but Ace's death was stupid and pointless. Luffy already knew he needed to become stronger if he wanted to protect his friends after he failed to do so at Sabaody. Ace didn't need to die to emphasize that. Usopp would have been a much better choice since he is a member of a Strawhats and Luffy is obligated to protect them.


You're now just been irrational with your "Usopp needs to die" chirp. Just stop.
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I love when people act superior in the process of jumping to conclusions and putting words in the mouths of others. It's almost like I don't even need to respond, you make yourself look retarded for me. I want Luffy to be like Ace? Could you please go back and quote where I said that? Can't do it, can you? Ace is always calm, and the only odd thing he does is fall asleep when he's eating.

Luffy can be hyper, he can jump around and climb stuff, he can get sparkles in eyes when he sees something cool, he can get defensive when someone threatens to take his meat. There's no reason he should have to get confused when attempting to put a square block in a round hole. It's not funny and does nothing for the series. And while I'm at it, "King of Pirates" material is one who sets the standard for other pirates to follow. "My crew only follows half my orders because the other half are idiotic" probably isn't the best example to follow.

And what's this? I'm asking for what now? Go back and quote the part where I ask for anything. Please go find the letter I wrote to Eiichro Oda asking him to change the series to suit my taste. I'll wait.... Can't do it? Again? Why not? I'll tell you why not. Because you just aren't very intelligent and if you don't make random crap up, then you would simply have nothing to say. I'm not asking for anything. I don't expect any changes to ever be made on my behalf. I think it would have been better if things went down differently. But that's an opinion, not a request. Genius.

As I said in the first paragraph of my first post, I like this series. I'm looking forward to this weeks episode. But it's not perfect. As no series is. I mentioned some things I think would make it better. Will they happen? Nope. Does everyone need to have the same opinion as me? Nope. But it's not surprising that the purpose of a discussion board is lost on you.

And wait, wait. I saved the best for last. Because I want Luffy to not be an idiot, therefore I am homosexual. LOL Please, by all means. Explain that thought process to all the viewers at home. I'm not kidding, explain how that works. Oh wait, here it comes, can't do it. Again. Am I sensing a pattern here? LOL It's a hundred years too early for you have to this debate with me little guy. Go play with your legos and leave the discussions to the adults, okay?
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In some ways I think us north american viewers are a little too used to Happy Endings.

When we watch a show we often expect things to turn out for the best even when things look bleak. 90% of our storytelling comes down to the Good guys win and they all lived happily ever after.

I think that colors our perceptions when we watch things from other countries.


Ace's death did suck.
I remember thinking "you dumb son of a.... keep running you idiot"
but as we discovered in the big flashback, Ace did have some pretty serious father issues and to him White Beard was the closest he ever had to a real father. In some ways I can understand his reaction.

Ace's death is vital for Luffy's growth and something that will keep in his heart reminding him just how precious each and every one of his friends are (and I think it'll make the impact of discovering that Sabo is alive that much greater for him)


As for Usopp
I think the guy is brilliant,
He's a genius inventor and he is kicking some butt against the new Fishman Pirates.

but he's not like the others now is he.

His goals are a bit different, He wants to become a brave warrior of the sea

It's not as grand as Pirate King, or Worlds greatest Swordsman.

but for him it's just as much of a journey and I think he's come a long way with it.
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