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The amount of trash talking in these forums.

Look in any topic u will most likely find trashtalkers / narrow-minded people

Example.

Guy kills himself because is helpless with a certain situation.

Poster comes in saying. How pathetic. What a wimp.



They're called trolls.

It's just better to ignore them.




I should have also added the "easier said than done" disclaimer. But I see one of our agitators got the banhammer. Yay moderators!
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As for your example topic starter, I honestly would make fun of the person who killed themselves. I feel no sympathy in people who make stupid decisions especially when all they are doing is trying to grab the attention of a fellow moron. If you want to defend someone who made the incredibly uneducated and ridiculous choice to kill themselves then I would have to say that you are the kind of person that allows suicide to be considered an option in the first place. A lot of people who commit suicide are proving to the world that they gave up on life, and when you try to defend them your saying that they should basically be respected for choosing to end their life while the rest of us continue to suffer through life. Suicide is incredibly stupid and every time I get into a conversation with somebody about a person committing suicide I will gladly trash talk that person every time.



The strong are there to help and protect the weak, you probably shouldn't make fun of them just because your life is awesome now.

This isn't a post about suicide, but I want to say I have nothing against people who consider/go through with it. I do not think they are stupid, I think they have a much closer affinity to death than the rest of us. If you have not gone through pain that has caused you to consider death, you are extremely fortunate, or more resilient than some. You should be thankful.

What you think of suicide is highly ignorant. Unfortunately a lot of the world is.

I understand why the OP is mad, but he is fighting a losing battle on the internet with a bunch of teenagers who think they're the shit, are close minded and think they know everything when they have only experienced a teeny tiny fraction of life, and likely haven't even got the experience or presence of mind to explore different points of views and to express intellectual answers on a sensitive topic.

CR is a wasteland, populated by mediocrity.
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These forums have a huge difference in age groups. This site is mixed with teens, 20-somethings, 30+, even a few in 40-50 year olds.
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The strong are there to help and protect the weak, you probably shouldn't make fun of them just because your life is awesome now.

This isn't a post about suicide, but I want to say I have nothing against people who consider/go through with it. I do not think they are stupid, I think they have a much closer affinity to death than the rest of us. If you have not gone through pain that has caused you to consider death, you are extremely fortunate, or more resilient than some. You should be thankful.

What you think of suicide is highly ignorant. Unfortunately a lot of the world is.

I understand why the OP is mad, but he is fighting a losing battle on the internet with a bunch of teenagers who think they're the shit, are close minded and think they know everything when they have only experienced a teeny tiny fraction of life, and likely haven't even got the experience or presence of mind to explore different points of views and to express intellectual answers on a sensitive topic.

CR is a wasteland, populated by mediocrity.


LOL The Strong are there to help the Weak? Says who? You? What rule is this?
The Strong are there to continue being strong for the purpose of protecting themselves. The Weak are there to find out why they're weak and how to become strong or die in the process. The world is not designed for constant codependency. The world always has been and always will be, "Every man for themselves."

Also, saying that my life along with every other person who doesn't kill themselves must be fortunate/lucky is complete bull. I have gone through multiple bouts of depression with the wanting to commit suicide alongside of it. There have been way too many times where I have thought long and hard about how maybe killing myself would be the best option currently in life. You know why I haven't done it? Because I have things in my life I need to protect and learn about before I go throwing my life away to death. I want to know why I'm here before I die, I want to accomplish something major before I die. Also do you know how disgustingly selfish it is to commit suicide? Giving up on the world because you're simply tired of it, leaving behind your loved ones and family to suffer after you die just so you can take the cheap easy way out of life.

People who kill themselves get absolutely no Sympathy from me and deserve none from anybody else. They quit life in the most pathetic way possible and then leave everyone who ever cared about them to deal with the repercussions of their death, often leaving them in states of depression so heavy that it changes their lives in the most negative ways possible. I've watched many families and such destroy themselves simply because they could never understand why somebody they loved committed suicide. It's disgusting, selfish, and in it's own special way sadistic.


Going back to the subject of trolls or close minded people. Just realize that no matter how hard you try they don't fully care about anything you're saying, so why should you bother going through all the trouble of trying to carefully explain something to them when all they want to do is make fun of your side of the argument or just constantly tell you that your wrong whether they want to explain their side of the argument or not.
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Rezzy64 wrote:

LOL The Strong are there to help the Weak? Says who? You? What rule is this?
The Strong are there to continue being strong for the purpose of protecting themselves. The Weak are there to find out why they're weak and how to become strong or die in the process. The world is not designed for constant codependency. The world always has been and always will be, "Every man for themselves."


The world may be every man for themselves, but every individual has the option to extend their hand. Not everyone is in a position to do so and not everyone should receive a hand. Those than can help themselves definitely should not.



Rezzy64 wrote:

Also, saying that my life along with every other person who doesn't kill themselves must be fortunate/lucky is complete bull. I have gone through multiple bouts of depression with the wanting to commit suicide alongside of it. There have been way too many times where I have thought long and hard about how maybe killing myself would be the best option currently in life. You know why I haven't done it? Because I have things in my life I need to protect and learn about before I go throwing my life away to death. I want to know why I'm here before I die, I want to accomplish something major before I die. Also do you know how disgustingly selfish it is to commit suicide? Giving up on the world because you're simply tired of it, leaving behind your loved ones and family to suffer after you die just so you can take the cheap easy way out of life.

People who kill themselves get absolutely no Sympathy from me and deserve none from anybody else. They quit life in the most pathetic way possible and then leave everyone who ever cared about them to deal with the repercussions of their death, often leaving them in states of depression so heavy that it changes their lives in the most negative ways possible. I've watched many families and such destroy themselves simply because they could never understand why somebody they loved committed suicide. It's disgusting, selfish, and in it's own special way sadistic.


I wholeheartedly agree. Suicide is lazy and cheap, and anyone who commits suicide only cares about them selves. Life is sometimes tiring and sometimes life is hard, but that's no excuse to commit suicide. There are people who have plummeted to the farthest reaches of misery but chose to stand strong and pull themselves up without ever a thought of suicide. It's never good when someone does it, but it's hard to have sympathy for such a terrible decision.

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tortoiseshell wrote:

The strong are there to help and protect the weak, you probably shouldn't make fun of them just because your life is awesome now.

This isn't a post about suicide, but I want to say I have nothing against people who consider/go through with it. I do not think they are stupid, I think they have a much closer affinity to death than the rest of us. If you have not gone through pain that has caused you to consider death, you are extremely fortunate, or more resilient than some. You should be thankful.

What you think of suicide is highly ignorant. Unfortunately a lot of the world is.

I understand why the OP is mad, but he is fighting a losing battle on the internet with a bunch of teenagers who think they're the shit, are close minded and think they know everything when they have only experienced a teeny tiny fraction of life, and likely haven't even got the experience or presence of mind to explore different points of views and to express intellectual answers on a sensitive topic.

CR is a wasteland, populated by mediocrity.


LOL The Strong are there to help the Weak? Says who? You? What rule is this?
The Strong are there to continue being strong for the purpose of protecting themselves. The Weak are there to find out why they're weak and how to become strong or die in the process. The world is not designed for constant codependency. The world always has been and always will be, "Every man for themselves."

Also, saying that my life along with every other person who doesn't kill themselves must be fortunate/lucky is complete bull. I have gone through multiple bouts of depression with the wanting to commit suicide alongside of it. There have been way too many times where I have thought long and hard about how maybe killing myself would be the best option currently in life. You know why I haven't done it? Because I have things in my life I need to protect and learn about before I go throwing my life away to death. I want to know why I'm here before I die, I want to accomplish something major before I die. Also do you know how disgustingly selfish it is to commit suicide? Giving up on the world because you're simply tired of it, leaving behind your loved ones and family to suffer after you die just so you can take the cheap easy way out of life.

People who kill themselves get absolutely no Sympathy from me and deserve none from anybody else. They quit life in the most pathetic way possible and then leave everyone who ever cared about them to deal with the repercussions of their death, often leaving them in states of depression so heavy that it changes their lives in the most negative ways possible. I've watched many families and such destroy themselves simply because they could never understand why somebody they loved committed suicide. It's disgusting, selfish, and in it's own special way sadistic.


Going back to the subject of trolls or close minded people. Just realize that no matter how hard you try they don't fully care about anything you're saying, so why should you bother going through all the trouble of trying to carefully explain something to them when all they want to do is make fun of your side of the argument or just constantly tell you that your wrong whether they want to explain their side of the argument or not.


The humanitarian in me says this. I suppose only fellow humanitarians would understand this "rule".

Some people are weak. Perhaps suicide is the next stage of the human race evolving, and it is doing a damn good job of eradicating the weak who do not have the capacity to tolerate this harsh reality. Regardless, weak people exist and they can't do a damn thing to become stronger.

So you HAVE considered suicide?


If you want to defend someone who made the incredibly uneducated and ridiculous choice to kill themselves then I would have to say that you are the kind of person that allows suicide to be considered an option in the first place.


You, like most of the rest of the world, side with the living family members of the person that killed themselves. It was indeed a selfish choice but ultimately people should move the fuck on. Death happens everywhere. And suicide is not something that occurs lightly. You did not get to see how much the suicidal person suffered before deciding to do the deed. You merely saw the suffering of the living after the deed. Have you actually talked to any of these family members? Do they tell you why they suffer? Do they suffer because of the actual loss, or do they suffer, only realizing too late how much their loved one suffered in life and were unable to lend a hand?

Everyone thinks they knows what goes on in the mind of a suicidal person: cowardice, weakness, selfishness... but they don't truly know. They only know how they felt when they wanted to die. So you had a weak moment yourself and conquered it. That does not mean others died thinking the same.

Some people commit suicide simply because they have lost the will to live or are ready to leave the world. There are many, many, many reasons for suicide. If you have never experienced or felt any of that, you should not act like you do. Not everyone commits suicide JUST BECAUSE everything is so fucking hard so they decide to fuck all. In fact the people that THINK they want to die because life is HARD rarely go die anyway. Everyone thinks they want to die at some point or another because life is sooo hard.

I responded to you because I sensed you were serious. And a tad ignorant and close minded. Also I wanted to get my views out on this forum and you were a person with a stronger point of view than others and I felt like a debate. If you had continued to respond in a troll like manner I would have been all meh and continued with my life.
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I have dealt with people who have killed themselves as well as been a person who at a few moments in my life wanted to off myself.
It's wrong to the people you care about. I'm sorry, but if a person who wants to kill themselves really think they're doing the right thing, they either need some serious help before anything such as them killing themselves should happen or they need to at least have some sort of sense of pride and need to sever ties with people who would be emotionally disturbed by the sudden unnessecarry death of a loved one.

Let me tell you a story. A true story by the way.
A friend of mine killed himself. At the time that he killed himself he had been dating the supposed love of his life for the last 2 years. They were very in love and planned to move in together after they graduated from high school, possibly get married, who knows it was too early to know what the two love birds would do.
In senior year this friend of mine hit a heavy bout of depression that I personally tried to help him through but he couldn't get through it.
He purposely OD'ed on Sleeping Meds and died, he left a suicide note and everything. His family was devastated but even worse it broke his girlfriend. She just completely snapped. Before anybody could really figure out that she had been completely broken by my friends death she had also killed herself with a note saying that she justified it so that she could be together forever with him in the after life.
Two families destroyed by a selfish suicide, two people dead, and my friends family was continuously blamed for their son causing the death of the girl.
It's selfish, it's wrong, it destroys people and families, and I personally can't ever forget it because it led to the deaths of two friends I cared very much about. It hurts that my friends would do such a thing but it made me realize that you can't sympathize with people who commit suicide. When you sympathize with suicide you are sympathizing with selfishness that destroys multiple people and for the ones who are more emotionally attached to the person who killed themselves to also possibly do something sad and dangerous.

People have the ability to get through suicidal tendencies, it's called self control. It's the same with just about any kind of dangerous habit or activity, people just need to have self control before they go doing something selfish and stupid.
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Not sure about you but trolls are absolutely hilarious. Sometimes what they say is dumb or retarded or just unfunny. But when you find a really good troll I can't help but laugh at what they say, most of it is hilarious.

Have you ever tried trolling a troll? Some of the best comments you'll ever make, simply hysterical. Assuming you have the right mindset to do it and recognize the person as a troll.

Forums attract trolls/bored no lifes/ and retards. You've just mentioned the entire world's population. Everyone falls into one of those three categories depending on their mood and the subject matter being discussed. If you're looking for that place where everyone is nice and everyone is accepted without any fuss you'll never find it, we're talking about humans here. We can coexist but we can't get along 100% of the time.


See? Experienced troll.


You are rather hilarious, my friend.
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tortoiseshell wrote:

You did not get to see how much the suicidal person suffered before deciding to do the deed.


Yet there are those who suffer the same kind of things and choose to dig their way out of the hole to make something out of their life. People can have bouts of depressing for so many reasons, and some reasons get piled up, but no matter the suffering, you still can make something of your life if you try.

Suicide is just a sorry excuse.


tortoiseshell wrote:

Everyone thinks they knows what goes on in the mind of a suicidal person: cowardice, weakness, selfishness... but they don't truly know. They only know how they felt when they wanted to die. So you had a weak moment yourself and conquered it. That does not mean others died thinking the same.


Only they possibly know because they chose not to seek the help they needed to prevent their suicide. Suicide is not a way out, it's an ending, and it's a pathetic one. There's not an answer for every problem, but you can find someone to help you through it.


tortoiseshell wrote:

Some people commit suicide simply because they have lost the will to live or are ready to leave the world. There are many, many, many reasons for suicide. If you have never experienced or felt any of that, you should not act like you do. Not everyone commits suicide JUST BECAUSE everything is so fucking hard so they decide to fuck all. In fact the people that THINK they want to die because life is HARD rarely go die anyway. Everyone thinks they want to die at some point or another because life is sooo hard.


Some people lose the will to live through no fault of their own, but that doesn't mean suicide is a considerable option. And I can't think of any cases where someone happy committed a suicide. Can you honestly be ready to leave the world if you're happy? No, that would be stupid. If you're happy, that means something in your life is good. Once again, just another excuse for suicide.

Also, life isn't easy. It requires continual maintenance from paying bills, having and keeping a job, taking care of kids, and an entire list of other things as well. You can't just sit there and expect it to happen. You have to work for it through the ups and downs.



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Why don't they give weed to depressed people?
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Why don't they give weed to depressed people?


I don't know if that is a good or bad idea...
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I have dealt with people who have killed themselves as well as been a person who at a few moments in my life wanted to off myself.
It's wrong to the people you care about. I'm sorry, but if a person who wants to kill themselves really think they're doing the right thing, they either need some serious help before anything such as them killing themselves should happen or they need to at least have some sort of sense of pride and need to sever ties with people who would be emotionally disturbed by the sudden unnessecarry death of a loved one.

Let me tell you a story. A true story by the way.
A friend of mine killed himself. At the time that he killed himself he had been dating the supposed love of his life for the last 2 years. They were very in love and planned to move in together after they graduated from high school, possibly get married, who knows it was too early to know what the two love birds would do.
In senior year this friend of mine hit a heavy bout of depression that I personally tried to help him through but he couldn't get through it.
He purposely OD'ed on Sleeping Meds and died, he left a suicide note and everything. His family was devastated but even worse it broke his girlfriend. She just completely snapped. Before anybody could really figure out that she had been completely broken by my friends death she had also killed herself with a note saying that she justified it so that she could be together forever with him in the after life.
Two families destroyed by a selfish suicide, two people dead, and my friends family was continuously blamed for their son causing the death of the girl.
It's selfish, it's wrong, it destroys people and families, and I personally can't ever forget it because it led to the deaths of two friends I cared very much about. It hurts that my friends would do such a thing but it made me realize that you can't sympathize with people who commit suicide. When you sympathize with suicide you are sympathizing with selfishness that destroys multiple people and for the ones who are more emotionally attached to the person who killed themselves to also possibly do something sad and dangerous.

People have the ability to get through suicidal tendencies, it's called self control. It's the same with just about any kind of dangerous habit or activity, people just need to have self control before they go doing something selfish and stupid.


Nice, a person who has actually dealt with suicide from an external point of view. I see why you feel so strongly about this now. Ironically you are also governed by your feelings, much like some suicidal people.

Just want to say I feel for your loss. And my heart goes out to the two people. YES I am sad for the loss of two bright young people who could have gone a long way in life. Not only because I sympathize with them. I just think it's a fucking shame.

This is why I say you are ignorant. You may have witnessed the decay of your friend, but you have not experienced it yourself and refuse to put yourself in your friend's shoes. Most people who seriously consider suicide are obviously not in an emotionally stable state of mind. They are unable to overcome the weakness that plague their minds, they succumb to it, and die. They weren't mentally strong enough to deal with pain. Self control is out of the question when people go off the deep end. This is what I meant by the eradication of the weak through mental disease.

You may never know or comprehend what drives people to suicide, since you seem to be mentally strong. What I am saying is you should not hate or look down these people. Makes you sound like a bully. I fucking hate bullies. That's the real reason I responded to you. They were weak, they made a very sad choice, but it's over.
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tortoiseshell wrote:

You did not get to see how much the suicidal person suffered before deciding to do the deed.


Yet there are those who suffer the same kind of things and choose to dig their way out of the hole to make something out of their life. People can have bouts of depressing for so many reasons, and some reasons get piled up, but no matter the suffering, you still can make something of your life if you try.

Suicide is just a sorry excuse.


tortoiseshell wrote:

Everyone thinks they knows what goes on in the mind of a suicidal person: cowardice, weakness, selfishness... but they don't truly know. They only know how they felt when they wanted to die. So you had a weak moment yourself and conquered it. That does not mean others died thinking the same.


Only they possibly know because they chose not to seek the help they needed to prevent their suicide. Suicide is not a way out, it's an ending, and it's a pathetic one. There's not an answer for every problem, but you can find someone to help you through it.


tortoiseshell wrote:

Some people commit suicide simply because they have lost the will to live or are ready to leave the world. There are many, many, many reasons for suicide. If you have never experienced or felt any of that, you should not act like you do. Not everyone commits suicide JUST BECAUSE everything is so fucking hard so they decide to fuck all. In fact the people that THINK they want to die because life is HARD rarely go die anyway. Everyone thinks they want to die at some point or another because life is sooo hard.


Some people lose the will to live through no fault of their own, but that doesn't mean suicide is a considerable option. And I can't think of any cases where someone happy committed a suicide. Can you honestly be ready to leave the world if you're happy? No, that would be stupid. If you're happy, that means something in your life is good. Once again, just another excuse for suicide.

Also, life isn't easy. It requires continual maintenance from paying bills, having and keeping a job, taking care of kids, and an entire list of other things as well. You can't just sit there and expect it to happen. You have to work for it through the ups and downs.



Soo should I bother deigning you with a serious reply or not?

You seem highly prejudiced.

A suicidal person is not going to care if what they are doing is pathetic. In fact some of them probably leave the world because they're sick of judgment and ridicule.

There are people who are not thinking clearly when they commit suicide.

There are people who ARE thinking clearly when they commit suicide. I did not mean that they were "happy". What I meant was they had no ties to people around them and were unafraid of death, unlike most people who think it is some sort of taboo.

People who are thinking clearly when they commit suicide and choose it because they think it is the only way out are sad. Yes they are. What they needed was someone to help them. Push them in the direction of medical and professional help. Sometimes in life when you fall you just need someone to help you. It's too bad no one was there to help.
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Some also suicide because potato.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWQwgJVvd5s
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