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If you died, would you have ever existed?
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Suppose we remain "alive" because others believe we do. We remain in their memories and therefore we existed. However, since we passed on, would anyone truly keep our memory going? Sure many famous people have remained in existence for whatever they've done but honestly, how many of us know our own family member's stories. What about the common man that dies and generations forget him. Would he have ever existed then?

Just a thought~ (Sorry if a thread like this was already made)
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Suppose we remain "alive" because others believe we do. We remain in their memories and therefore we existed. However, since we passed on, would anyone truly keep our memory going? Sure many famous people have remained in existence for whatever they've done but honestly, how many of us know our own family member's stories. What about the common man that dies and generations forget him. Would he have ever existed then?

Just a thought~ (Sorry if a thread like this was already made)


That man's postmortem existence depends upon the preservation of his memory is not new. It is well known, that ancient and primitive man have seeked to preserve the memory of their ancestor through rituals, a pratice preserved to this day among the Orientals. However venerable the idea that memory is a mean by which man perpetuate his existence for so long as man exist, it is a faulty idea. The real and corporeal existence of most men are dull and inmemorable, born into ceaseless drudgery and ending it little wept for and little remembered, yet, still, it is undeniable that he have existed. Take for example an island, still unknown but to those who live there, isolated. The world knows nothing of them or, indeed, of their island, and they know nothing of the world beside the clear sea beyond. This island, and her islanders exist, and their existence is seperate from the mind of others, just as the existence of our world, and of ourselves, are independent of them. They live in ignorance of Caesar Augustus, of Thomas Aquinas, of the Buddha and of Confucius, of the deeds of Napoleon and of the Mongol Hoards, and, yet, these famous men, these eminent men existed despite their ignorance, just as their notable ancestors, their Napoleons, Thomas Aquinas, their Ceasar Augustus, and their Buddha and Confucius exist, despite our ignorance. Existence does not depend on knowledge, nor does knowledge depend on existence. The Bones of the caveman, all long forgotten, having died deedless, fameless, and having lived no epic life to be recoreded when men finally learnt letters, they all existed, and the proof that they, and many other like them, existed throughout the world in museums.
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That man's postmortem existence depends upon the preservation of his memory is not new. It is well known, that ancient and primitive man have seeked to preserve the memory of their ancestor through rituals, a pratice preserved to this day among the Orientals. However venerable the idea that memory is a mean by which man perpetuate his existence for so long as man exist, it is a faulty idea. The real and corporeal existence of most men are dull and inmemorable, born into ceaseless drudgery and ending it little wept for and little remembered, yet, still, it is undeniable that he have existed. Take for example an island, still unknown but to those who live there, isolated. The world knows nothing of them or, indeed, of their island, and they know nothing of the world beside the clear sea beyond. This island, and her islanders exist, and their existence is seperate from the mind of others, just as the existence of our world, and of ourselves, are independent of them. They live in ignorance of Caesar Augustus, of Thomas Aquinas, of the Buddha and of Confucius, of the deeds of Napoleon and of the Mongol Hoards, and, yet, these famous men, these eminent men existed despite their ignorance, just as their notable ancestors, their Napoleons, Thomas Aquinas, their Ceasar Augustus, and their Buddha and Confucius exist, despite our ignorance. Existence does not depend on knowledge, nor does knowledge depend on existence. The Bones of the caveman, all long forgotten, having died deedless, fameless, and having lived no epic life to be recoreded when men finally learnt letters, they all existed, and the proof that they, and many other like them, existed throughout the world in museums.


Then wouldn't that mean they have never died? Physically yes but since their existence before death was real, then have they truly passed on?
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I guess it all depends on how you look at things, and whether or not you believe in an afterlife. If we suppose that an afterlife does not exist, then many "insignificant" people throughout history could be seen as being forgotten perhaps, whereas some truly awful dictators and such live in our memory. If we hold to that sort of depressing worldview then when I die, in a few hundred years, not a single person on this earth will care that I existed. But suffice to say that's not how I choose to view the world.
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Life is too short to be worrying about your existence being acknowledged :c
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Larliet wrote:



That man's postmortem existence depends upon the preservation of his memory is not new. It is well known, that ancient and primitive man have seeked to preserve the memory of their ancestor through rituals, a pratice preserved to this day among the Orientals. However venerable the idea that memory is a mean by which man perpetuate his existence for so long as man exist, it is a faulty idea. The real and corporeal existence of most men are dull and inmemorable, born into ceaseless drudgery and ending it little wept for and little remembered, yet, still, it is undeniable that he have existed. Take for example an island, still unknown but to those who live there, isolated. The world knows nothing of them or, indeed, of their island, and they know nothing of the world beside the clear sea beyond. This island, and her islanders exist, and their existence is seperate from the mind of others, just as the existence of our world, and of ourselves, are independent of them. They live in ignorance of Caesar Augustus, of Thomas Aquinas, of the Buddha and of Confucius, of the deeds of Napoleon and of the Mongol Hoards, and, yet, these famous men, these eminent men existed despite their ignorance, just as their notable ancestors, their Napoleons, Thomas Aquinas, their Ceasar Augustus, and their Buddha and Confucius exist, despite our ignorance. Existence does not depend on knowledge, nor does knowledge depend on existence. The Bones of the caveman, all long forgotten, having died deedless, fameless, and having lived no epic life to be recoreded when men finally learnt letters, they all existed, and the proof that they, and many other like them, existed throughout the world in museums.


Then wouldn't that mean they have never died? Physically yes but since their existence before death was real, then have they truly passed on?


When all biological functions of the body have ceased, they are dead. To be preserved in memory may be even worse than being forgotten, for, after death, time distorts and perverts the image of a man, he becomes a saint, a devil, the wisest of men, the most foolish, and, in the midst of this, all of the original is lost among the speculation of character.
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As a fact, yes; they existed. Whether people remember them to keep them 'alive' is entirely up to the person during their lifetime when they are alive. If someone wants to be remembered, usually they do something significant that would make them be remembered. To say they cease to exist after death cannot be tied to forgetting them. They lived, thus they existed.


I think, therefor I am. I live, therefor I must exist.
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Yes, we would have existed. You dumb, nigga?
Posted 5/7/12
I wouldn't know anymore, because my brain would not be functioning.
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“After your death you will be what you were before your birth.”-German philosopher(Arthur Schopenhauer).
"The purpose of our lives is to be happy"-His Holiness(Dalai Lama).
I live by these words you should try to as well.
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Everything we do has an impact on the world in some way, even if it seems insignificant at the time. A simple comment to someone could set in motion a chain of events that changes the world (for example, if you were the person who suggested to Hitler that he might be interested in joining the Nazi party.)

Even if you live your life as a hermit, with no direct contact with any other humans, you could for example kill a mosquito that would otherwise have gone on to infect someone with malaria.

So even if you're forgotten by everyone living person and by recorded history, you will still have existed and affected the world.
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Posted 5/25/12
I believe that every life contributes to the world. Yes, in the future, it's not like history books will write about you. But everyone, no matter how insignificant they think they are, matters to to others in their community, whether it be friends or family.

Just recently, a boy from one of my neighboring schools committed suicide - the community is making a scholarship in his name and I'm sure people will forget who he is and what he did, but he will always been physically and spiritually here, and have impacted my community.

Your question is like:

If there was a tree that fell in the middle of a forest and no one was around to see it, did it actually fall, or some shyt like that from my philosophy class.

But... It's still debatable in the post-modern society.
Posted 5/27/12
Uh...

... yes.
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Posted 5/27/12
You make yourself memorable.

And honestly. It's not an easy task. Cause you can either go about it a good way or a bad way. How do you want to leave the world? Everyone hating you or remembering you as a hero, sort of deal.

I feel as though you can only really make yourself stand out if you want to. People don't just become who they become. It takes time, and a lot of work. So I mean, if I want to be remembered, I can go out there and do somethng in order to be remembered. Like go create something better than an iPod or go bomb up some sort of important landmark and be known for my horrible deed. And based off those things society will make sure you're remembered every time rather it's the whole "GOD I HATE THAT PERSON!" or "Man, I wish I was that smart/cool/goregeous/talented/" etc.
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The paranormal exists so living beyond a memory is possible. If you don't want to pass on, or do not think you are dead you can end up wandering the earth forever. Or perhaps that is the hell or heaven the soul desired. It is an interesting subject for discussion. Not everyone can be remembered. As an example Shakespeare didn't even become famous until after he had died.
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