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Religion is Conjecture - The Ultimate Truth
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Posted 5/17/12

Ahbnaux wrote:

People can think something is true all they like, yet without evidence, there is no truth. Disproving isn't necessary when there hasn't been a single sighting of any god in the flesh regardless of what some holy scripture says.

"But, it said such and such in this book."

Go dig me up some angel bones. Oh, wait, YOU CAN'T!



1. Evidence does not make a thing true, it only shows that one proposal is more likely to be true than another.

2. Seeing God does not mean that he exist- nutjobs have all told said that they have felt God's presence, and we rightly dismiss it as anecdotal, and therefore not proof of God.

3. Not valid, for we do not know the biological composition of an Angel, nor do we know what their bones are made up of.
Posted 5/17/12
I dont see god but i know he is there because he has helped me whenever I have prayed to him and ive always stayed safe praying to him. This is also part of my religion since i am muslim. So thats hat I believe lol.
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I dont see god but i know he is there because he has helped me whenever I have prayed to him and ive always stayed safe praying to him. This is also part of my religion since i am muslim. So thats hat I believe lol.


So, God is a genie of sorts, then?
Posted 5/17/12

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Ahbnaux wrote:

People can think something is true all they like, yet without evidence, there is no truth. Disproving isn't necessary when there hasn't been a single sighting of any god in the flesh regardless of what some holy scripture says.

"But, it said such and such in this book."

Go dig me up some angel bones. Oh, wait, YOU CAN'T!



1. Evidence does not make a thing true, it only shows that one proposal is more likely to be true than another.

2. Seeing God does not mean that he exist- nutjobs have all told said that they have felt God's presence, and we rightly dismiss it as anecdotal, and therefore not proof of God.

3. Not valid, for we do not know the biological composition of an Angel, nor do we know what their bones are made up of.


My statement about angel bones was just a wise crack. I was thinking of dinosaurs at the moment when I wrote that.
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Posted 5/17/12

Ahbnaux wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


Ahbnaux wrote:

People can think something is true all they like, yet without evidence, there is no truth. Disproving isn't necessary when there hasn't been a single sighting of any god in the flesh regardless of what some holy scripture says.

"But, it said such and such in this book."

Go dig me up some angel bones. Oh, wait, YOU CAN'T!



1. Evidence does not make a thing true, it only shows that one proposal is more likely to be true than another.

2. Seeing God does not mean that he exist- nutjobs have all told said that they have felt God's presence, and we rightly dismiss it as anecdotal, and therefore not proof of God.

3. Not valid, for we do not know the biological composition of an Angel, nor do we know what their bones are made up of.


My statement about angel bones was just a wise crack. I was thinking of dinosaurs at the moment when I wrote that.


while the angel bones statement may have been a joke, your ACTUAL argument that you presented isn't conclusive of anything, or even close to it . It's not the "Ultimate argument" that is one thing that I can say with certainty.

Also, I notice you chose to ignore my post asking you to explain yourself about your accusation that I "misinterpreted " your post.

So I'm going to assume that it was just a pathetic lashing out then
Posted 5/17/12 , edited 5/17/12

MarshallDTeach wrote:


Ahbnaux wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


Ahbnaux wrote:

People can think something is true all they like, yet without evidence, there is no truth. Disproving isn't necessary when there hasn't been a single sighting of any god in the flesh regardless of what some holy scripture says.

"But, it said such and such in this book."

Go dig me up some angel bones. Oh, wait, YOU CAN'T!



1. Evidence does not make a thing true, it only shows that one proposal is more likely to be true than another.

2. Seeing God does not mean that he exist- nutjobs have all told said that they have felt God's presence, and we rightly dismiss it as anecdotal, and therefore not proof of God.

3. Not valid, for we do not know the biological composition of an Angel, nor do we know what their bones are made up of.


My statement about angel bones was just a wise crack. I was thinking of dinosaurs at the moment when I wrote that.


while the angel bones statement may have been a joke, your ACTUAL argument that you presented isn't conclusive of anything, or even close to it . It's not the "Ultimate argument" that is one thing that I can say with certainty.

Also, I notice you chose to ignore my post asking you to explain yourself about your accusation that I "misinterpreted " your post.

So I'm going to assume that it was just a pathetic lashing out then


I'll use this as a response.


A nice helmet for your epilepsy.
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Posted 5/18/12

Ahbnaux wrote:


MarshallDTeach wrote:


Ahbnaux wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


Ahbnaux wrote:

People can think something is true all they like, yet without evidence, there is no truth. Disproving isn't necessary when there hasn't been a single sighting of any god in the flesh regardless of what some holy scripture says.

"But, it said such and such in this book."

Go dig me up some angel bones. Oh, wait, YOU CAN'T!



1. Evidence does not make a thing true, it only shows that one proposal is more likely to be true than another.

2. Seeing God does not mean that he exist- nutjobs have all told said that they have felt God's presence, and we rightly dismiss it as anecdotal, and therefore not proof of God.

3. Not valid, for we do not know the biological composition of an Angel, nor do we know what their bones are made up of.


My statement about angel bones was just a wise crack. I was thinking of dinosaurs at the moment when I wrote that.


while the angel bones statement may have been a joke, your ACTUAL argument that you presented isn't conclusive of anything, or even close to it . It's not the "Ultimate argument" that is one thing that I can say with certainty.

Also, I notice you chose to ignore my post asking you to explain yourself about your accusation that I "misinterpreted " your post.

So I'm going to assume that it was just a pathetic lashing out then


I'll use this as a response.


A nice helmet for your epilepsy.


You just proved that you have nothing. You're floundering. I called you on your bullshit logic and you have no defense for it, so you just choose to deflect it with making "Retard" insults.

Also, I'm going to further humiliate you by pointing out that Epilepsy is not a form of mental retardation, it's a neurological disorder that causes people to be more susceptible to seizures. In fact, your terrible insult could not be further from it's intended purpose. There are men who were GENIUSES of their time that suffered from Epilepsy. Some examples: Edward Lear, Phillip K. Dick, Don Craig Wiley ( a biochemist), oh yes, and bloody SOCRATES.

Face it dude, you are less intelligent than me, you've proven it time and time again. So either explain yourself, like I asked two posts ago, or just give up and save yourself further embarassment
Posted 5/19/12

MarshallDTeach wrote:


Ahbnaux wrote:


MarshallDTeach wrote:


Ahbnaux wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


Ahbnaux wrote:

People can think something is true all they like, yet without evidence, there is no truth. Disproving isn't necessary when there hasn't been a single sighting of any god in the flesh regardless of what some holy scripture says.

"But, it said such and such in this book."

Go dig me up some angel bones. Oh, wait, YOU CAN'T!



1. Evidence does not make a thing true, it only shows that one proposal is more likely to be true than another.

2. Seeing God does not mean that he exist- nutjobs have all told said that they have felt God's presence, and we rightly dismiss it as anecdotal, and therefore not proof of God.

3. Not valid, for we do not know the biological composition of an Angel, nor do we know what their bones are made up of.


My statement about angel bones was just a wise crack. I was thinking of dinosaurs at the moment when I wrote that.


while the angel bones statement may have been a joke, your ACTUAL argument that you presented isn't conclusive of anything, or even close to it . It's not the "Ultimate argument" that is one thing that I can say with certainty.

Also, I notice you chose to ignore my post asking you to explain yourself about your accusation that I "misinterpreted " your post.

So I'm going to assume that it was just a pathetic lashing out then


I'll use this as a response.


A nice helmet for your epilepsy.


You just proved that you have nothing. You're floundering. I called you on your bullshit logic and you have no defense for it, so you just choose to deflect it with making "Retard" insults.

Also, I'm going to further humiliate you by pointing out that Epilepsy is not a form of mental retardation, it's a neurological disorder that causes people to be more susceptible to seizures. In fact, your terrible insult could not be further from it's intended purpose. There are men who were GENIUSES of their time that suffered from Epilepsy. Some examples: Edward Lear, Phillip K. Dick, Don Craig Wiley ( a biochemist), oh yes, and bloody SOCRATES.

Face it dude, you are less intelligent than me, you've proven it time and time again. So either explain yourself, like I asked two posts ago, or just give up and save yourself further embarassment


I don't think I can break it down any further for you. I don't think it is right to baby talk an invalid.
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Posted 5/19/12 , edited 5/19/12

Ahbnaux wrote:



I don't think I can break it down any further for you. I don't think it is right to baby talk an invalid.


You haven't broken ANYTHING down you jack ass. Also an invalid refers to a person with a disability or illness that makes it difficult for them to function in life, and this USUALLY refers to an inability to get around. Very rarely is it used to refer to a mental handicap.

I've tried being sensible about this, I really have, but now I'm just going to be blunt. You are, without a doubt, the dumbest, most misinformed piece of shit I have ever seen spouting nonsense on a forum

You made a thread about a debate of faith and belief, but now that someone is directly contradicting you, you have failed to defend your opinion when you have had SEVERAL chances to do so. All you have done is hurled insults at me, and really bad ones too. They aren't accurate, or in several cases, they don't even make sense.

So if you're not going to defend your own thread, just close the thread then. Stop trying to just deflect with essentially " No, you are but what am I!". That is honestly what all of your responses have been. Either make some valid points or just give up
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Posted 5/19/12

Ahbnaux wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


Ahbnaux wrote:

People can think something is true all they like, yet without evidence, there is no truth. Disproving isn't necessary when there hasn't been a single sighting of any god in the flesh regardless of what some holy scripture says.

"But, it said such and such in this book."

Go dig me up some angel bones. Oh, wait, YOU CAN'T!



1. Evidence does not make a thing true, it only shows that one proposal is more likely to be true than another.

2. Seeing God does not mean that he exist- nutjobs have all told said that they have felt God's presence, and we rightly dismiss it as anecdotal, and therefore not proof of God.

3. Not valid, for we do not know the biological composition of an Angel, nor do we know what their bones are made up of.


My statement about angel bones was just a wise crack. I was thinking of dinosaurs at the moment when I wrote that.


How about article 1 & 2 then?
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I find it hard to believe in a higher power...
... In the case of Christianity, it is pretty clear that most of the stories that the bible is pretty inconsistent with observation.

Posted 6/11/12

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I find it hard to believe in a higher power...
... In the case of Christianity, it is pretty clear that most of the stories that the bible is pretty inconsistent with observation.



If they were true, I think we'd see more personal appearances by characters from it to this day.
Posted 6/14/12 , edited 6/14/12
You cannot force someone to believe in something else. I honestly do not see the point in this post. Human beings are fickle to new beliefs.

But I suppose, "can't beat 'em, join 'em," would fall in order for me.

I'm not religious, and I am because of that very reason. There is no evidence. But I do believe there is some high power who has created us and the universe. Not a specified being, however. I'm basically agnostic.

I do not like to participate in religion, because I think its absolute nonsense. I'm wasting my time there when I could actually be out there doing something meaningful like spreading love to the world. But I don't have anything against religious people. A lot of my family members are mormon on my Grandma's side. My grandma is intelligent enough to follow her religion the right way, unlike spreading hate about Gay people, she supports them because she believes that is what God wants. Because she actually believes God is a loving man unlike most of these ass holes out here who keep spreading hate.

I would agree. But I don't want to do it specifically for God. I want to do it for the world, and for myself.

That sounds cheesie as hell, but its true. I don't want hate in the world so I'm making way for a positive atmosphere.

Saying God doesn't exist... Hm. From the experiences I've had, I WANT to call it God. Everything in my life, the choices I've made, the choices other people in my life have made, "fate" linking together. Its hard to explain. Its unexplainable, actually. Maybe it isn't God. Maybe its something else.

Life is a big mystery, but I'm willing to continue walking down that path, wondering what else is to come. ^_^



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shuyi000 wrote:

I find it hard to believe in a higher power...
... In the case of Christianity, it is pretty clear that most of the stories that the bible is pretty inconsistent with observation.



I was watching a TV debate some time ago which included a bit about the Bible, and one of the panel was a scholar who had studied the Bible for years. She basically said that the trick to reading it was to separate out the historical parts from the allegory.

This pretty much fits in with my view that the problem with certain branches of Christianity is that they take everything literally, blindly following it without thinking about what they are reading. Presumably the same would apply to fundamentalists of other religions as well.
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there sure are some pretty strict definitions of "see" going on in this thread, geeze
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