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How piracy is killing the anime industry.
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i agree fully, the privatization of the internet is something that we need. but im still scared for the fact that freedom of browsing the internet will be gone. but its honestly something that is needed to be done.

and i think this will probably closed.
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Well first of all, the only time I watch anime illegally is when it isn't liscensed.
Like Monochrome Factor. So obviously I'm going to turn to the fansubs.
Other than that, I watch all my shit on here & Hulu, or buy the DVDs.
I understand buying anime is a bit on the expensive side, but to me it doesn't hurt to dish out a couple dollers to support the industry.
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I didn't realize Greg Ayers was a long-time fan himself. It's good to hear from him.

There's so many ways for fans in the US (this is aimed to US fans) to watch stuff online legally, even for free. And even for hardcopy anime, US buyers don't get how good they have it. In Japan, a single volume of an anime series with 2-4 episodes topically has a MSRP of 50-100 USD. That's as much if not more than the average series costs in the US.

The manga news is pretty dated. Manga companies have been doing a lot more with digital publishing.
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Yes US anime fans have no real legitimate reason to pirate other than not wanting to pay for things - taking about downloading of full DVD quality shows.

It also seems no one on YouTube understands copyright laws when they upload anime there. I am surprised CR never goes after them and have the anime they have here removed from YouTube.
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I'm not ultra-anti-piracy, but the anime industry is an exception. I really care for the industry, and I try to do my best to support it. Truthfully, I was thinking about getting an anime from a friend that he downloaded off the web, but I was worried about the video quality, and if all the content was there. That's the biggest reason why I buy instead of pirate: the legitimacy of the content. I wanna make sure I have it ALL (which is why I'm furious that Aniplex hasn't shipped more Oreimo DVD's) the stuff. Not just a few episodes in poor quality.
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Where it is available legally I will get it legally.
I think that is generally the attitudes of most people towards things. As long as the legal option is reasonably priced and easily available people do tend towards the legal option.

But when the legal option doesn't exist or is of horrible quality at an unreasonable price, most people will look for other options.

I am paying for both CR and Funi subscriptions at the moment and I generally watch all of my shows with them, however in a couple of cases (mostly with funi) the quality the legal option is giving me isn't quite at the standard I want to watch so I get it elsewhere even though I am paying for the legal option. It doesn't happen very often but there are one or two shows over the last year where the legal option just wasn't watchable for one reason or another (*cough*massivecensoring*cough*)
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THis is a freaken old story and it worldwide. The industry has to fight this in many ways but since they are not all together and its taking them a long time to act upon this problem .

The economy has fallen worlwide and a lot and people who use to buy are not buying , thats one of the reason why profits from selling dvd media are falling. They have to stop depending on making money from these media alone which are very expensive to produce.

And the internet is there. Its either you work with it or against it.

Privatation of internet. Are you guys kidding? Whoever has money man has power and they are controlling how this world is being run.

All some voice actors can do is make a plea to their fans, MOrita san did that when he asked his fans to watch Bleach via Crunchyroll only. And I believe his effort has helped.

I dont watch anime outside the legal streamsites as well.
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Yes, obviously privatization of whatever is a positive. But, to be frank, the anime/manga industry did this to itself by not keeping up with the demands of its audience (not "keeping up with the times"). Borders Books is another great example. Borders didn't get on board with the internet until well after it needed to (Borders allowed Amazon, its competitor, to sell books for them in the more continent online store). Borders didn't get on board with e-readers until well after Amazon and B&N did (and they never fully went with it anyway).

The primary method for acquiring anime legally for most of its life in the last 20 or so years was to buy 4-5 episode DVDs, meaning about 6 DVDs per 24 episode series. While everyone moved online, anime didn't (not going to argue reasons). And when there's a vacuum, it will be filled. When an industry has a product that people want, is easily reproduced and doesn't meet the needs of its audience, the audience will meed the needs themselves. Now with sites streaming anime like crunchyroll and ANN there are legal alternatives, but the illegal processes are so entrenched and so built up now it's going to be hard to stop it.

I'm not arguing it's a good thing, I'm just arguing it's reality.

(And by the way, my point is -- when you stick with physical medium in the internet world, you're slow, and other people are fast. And when people start doing it themselves, that practice will spread.)
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Reminds me of the remarks Dai Sato has made about his distaste for the current industry.

Pirating is a bad thing no matter which way you look at it. However, why do people pirate things? Some are cheap but most frequently with anime I find it is due to how poor and long it takes for distribution. Even for official subs to become available it takes quite a while something that an amateur fan group can sub within hours. My biggest concern is the fact how badly some thing gets subbed. Someone really needs to be supervising to ensure the subs are correctly translated and properly. Let's be honest we've all seen things horribly misspelled and some things so poorly translated that it doesn't make any sense.
No matter how popular or how much income anime products gross overseas it absolutely has no affect on the creative development team. Sure the studio and distributors benefit, however, animators get paid a set amount of yen per completed frame/cell. It is actually quite a horrible practice that has sometimes left Dai Sato in a controversial position due to his aversion for the current industry. It is the treatment of the creative development that is killing the industry faster than anything else.
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Umm... the internet is already privatized. The government doesnt control what you can and cannot look at on the internet. Unless you in a communist country like China or North Korea.

As for government control of the internet to combat piracy, no. Just no. You do NOT want the government controling something like the internet. Just look at China for example of government control. Anyone who thinks that the US wont go that far is extremely deluded. For an even better example of the extremes of a non-communist government look at the Great Firewall of Australia.

Also piracy hasnt killed anime... its a thriving industry. Anyone claiming that is relying on hysteria to motivate the masses. Look at all the musicians that scream about loosing money. When was the last time you saw one driving a 92 civic or a eating 99 cent ramen?

I am not excusing piracy, just saying that believing everything you hear/read is a bad thing. Its how Lenin and his cronies turned Russia into a communist country.
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kitsuneshoujo wrote:

Umm... the internet is already privatized. The government doesnt control what you can and cannot look at on the internet. Unless you in a communist country like China or North Korea.

As for government control of the internet to combat piracy, no. Just no. You do NOT want the government controling something like the internet. Just look at China for example of government control. Anyone who thinks that the US wont go that far is extremely deluded. For an even better example of the extremes of a non-communist government look at the Great Firewall of Australia.

Also piracy hasnt killed anime... its a thriving industry. Anyone claiming that is relying on hysteria to motivate the masses. Look at all the musicians that scream about loosing money. When was the last time you saw one driving a 92 civic or a eating 99 cent ramen?

I am not excusing piracy, just saying that believing everything you hear/read is a bad thing. Its how Lenin and his cronies turned Russia into a communist country.



I completely agree
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I think in a way some companies have no one to blame but themselves especially when it comes to anime. I'm sorry Funimation but I'm not paying $50+ for an anime that is only 6 to 12 episodes long. Bring down the price and we'll talk. I say this but I absolutly hate piracy. So when situations like this arise I turn to Crunchyroll and Hulu. Low monthy rates with unlimited viewing. Can you get any better? I'll be waiting on that free month now Cruchyroll.
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crall0011 wrote:

I think in a way some companies have no one to blame but themselves especially when it comes to anime. I'm sorry Funimation but I'm not paying $50+ for an anime that is only 6 to 12 episodes long. Bring down the price and we'll talk. I say this but I absolutly hate piracy. So when situations like this arise I turn to Crunchyroll and Hulu. Low monthy rates with unlimited viewing. Can you get any better? I'll be waiting on that free month now Cruchyroll.


I agree although for me I am willing to pay $50+ for a 6 - 12 episode series. I just think of all the hard work that went into making the series and if I liked it enough I'd buy it no matter what, there are exceptions of course. Then again, that's just me.

Yes, piracy is bad. Will anything be done to stop it without hurting other freedoms that we have? No.
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crall0011 wrote:

I think in a way some companies have no one to blame but themselves especially when it comes to anime. I'm sorry Funimation but I'm not paying $50+ for an anime that is only 6 to 12 episodes long. Bring down the price and we'll talk. I say this but I absolutly hate piracy. So when situations like this arise I turn to Crunchyroll and Hulu. Low monthy rates with unlimited viewing. Can you get any better? I'll be waiting on that free month now Cruchyroll.


I agree although for me I am willing to pay $50+ for a 6 - 12 episode series. I just think of all the hard work that went into making the series and if I liked it enough I'd buy it no matter what, there are exceptions of course. Then again, that's just me.

Yes, piracy is bad. Will anything be done to stop it without hurting other freedoms that we have? No.


The only thing about that $50+ anime is that sometimes it's a so-so anime that I probably would have bought had it been about half that price. I agree that I will pay that much money if it is something that I really enjoy.
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