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How piracy is killing the anime industry.
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crall0011 wrote:

I think in a way some companies have no one to blame but themselves especially when it comes to anime. I'm sorry Funimation but I'm not paying $50+ for an anime that is only 6 to 12 episodes long. Bring down the price and we'll talk. I say this but I absolutly hate piracy. So when situations like this arise I turn to Crunchyroll and Hulu. Low monthy rates with unlimited viewing. Can you get any better? I'll be waiting on that free month now Cruchyroll.


I agree although for me I am willing to pay $50+ for a 6 - 12 episode series. I just think of all the hard work that went into making the series and if I liked it enough I'd buy it no matter what, there are exceptions of course. Then again, that's just me.

Yes, piracy is bad. Will anything be done to stop it without hurting other freedoms that we have? No.


The only thing about that $50+ anime is that sometimes it's a so-so anime that I probably would have bought had it been about half that price. I agree that I will pay that much money if it is something that I really enjoy.


Yeah I see what you mean. But then again they have to make money somehow right? Hehe...
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Shrapnel893 wrote:


crall0011 wrote:


Shrapnel893 wrote:


crall0011 wrote:

I think in a way some companies have no one to blame but themselves especially when it comes to anime. I'm sorry Funimation but I'm not paying $50+ for an anime that is only 6 to 12 episodes long. Bring down the price and we'll talk. I say this but I absolutly hate piracy. So when situations like this arise I turn to Crunchyroll and Hulu. Low monthy rates with unlimited viewing. Can you get any better? I'll be waiting on that free month now Cruchyroll.


I agree although for me I am willing to pay $50+ for a 6 - 12 episode series. I just think of all the hard work that went into making the series and if I liked it enough I'd buy it no matter what, there are exceptions of course. Then again, that's just me.

Yes, piracy is bad. Will anything be done to stop it without hurting other freedoms that we have? No.


The only thing about that $50+ anime is that sometimes it's a so-so anime that I probably would have bought had it been about half that price. I agree that I will pay that much money if it is something that I really enjoy.


Yeah I see what you mean. But then again they have to make money somehow right? Hehe...


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i agree fully, the privatization of the internet is something that we need. but im still scared for the fact that freedom of browsing the internet will be gone. but its honestly something that is needed to be done.

and i think this will probably closed.


The privatization of the internet is something that we DO NOT need. Fortunately, this will never happen no matter how hard any government tries.
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Just give Crunchyroll more rights to put stuff on their sites ... I love Crunchyroll better than Hulu and Funi... better layout, better forum, better etc... anyway if people who own the rights to the animes would release them online with subscriptions and not require outrageous fees or would not take them down right away would find that we would pay for the animes. I LOVE watching anime and don't mind it, but I won't buy anime on dvd because it's irritating and I hate dvds. Streaming is better!
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wolfsaiga wrote:

i agree fully, the privatization of the internet is something that we need. but im still scared for the fact that freedom of browsing the internet will be gone. but its honestly something that is needed to be done.

and i think this will probably closed.


The privatization of the internet is something that we DO NOT need. Fortunately, this will never happen no matter how hard any government tries.


Yes! I thought that was a pretty insane thing to say as well.

As for the topic - CR is the ideal model on how to go about this. Watched SEVERAL series before getting a membership and I sat through the ads. I mean it was free - the quality was fine with the player loading instantly. Hulu would be the second best example since much of their stuff is free with ads. Isn't that the problem? People want it free right? The fact that they said "Ok we'll make it free" boggles my mind.

The weird thing is I didn't even know about either site having anime until about a year ago. Not going to say I am a saint about this stuff cause I definitely am not but if it is available for free with ads legally I try and watch it that way. The guy in the video was right. The idea that they listened is pretty amazing to me.

The only real argument for piracy is exposure. Would you rather have less people know about good series to buy or more people know? Used to direct friends to ... other sites ... now I direct them here.
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The privatization of the internet is something that we DO NOT need. Fortunately, this will never happen no matter how hard any government tries.

I take it you don't realize that privatization typically means exactly the opposite of increased government control.

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crall0011 wrote:

I think in a way some companies have no one to blame but themselves especially when it comes to anime. I'm sorry Funimation but I'm not paying $50+ for an anime that is only 6 to 12 episodes long. Bring down the price and we'll talk. I say this but I absolutly hate piracy. So when situations like this arise I turn to Crunchyroll and Hulu. Low monthy rates with unlimited viewing. Can you get any better? I'll be waiting on that free month now Cruchyroll.


FUNimation/Sentai/Media Blasters' prices for anime is still far cheaper than the Japanese prices. Also what anime that only has 6 episodes and is $50? That's Japanese pricing there. I have never paid more than $40 for 12 episode anime from FUNi.

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Viz Media are probably the worst distributor and have way overpriced crap.

Progressively Viz's DvDs releases etc. have been becoming more expensive and less content is available. I've seen just a normal DvD box set going for $80 if you buy it from Viz. It is ridiculous how much Viz expects customers to pay for even less content that before when it was cheaper. FUNimation does get pricey I'll admit that, however, the crown goes to Viz Media.
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Just give Crunchyroll more rights to put stuff on their sites ... I love Crunchyroll better than Hulu and Funi... better layout, better forum, better etc... anyway if people who own the rights to the animes would release them online with subscriptions and not require outrageous fees or would not take them down right away would find that we would pay for the animes. I LOVE watching anime and don't mind it, but I won't buy anime on dvd because it's irritating and I hate dvds. Streaming is better!


I still buy the DVD or Blu-Ray sometimes, but I wonder when they'll be obsolete. Streaming or digital storage is the way to go.

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I think the guy in that video is a bit of an idiot. He reminds me of the film industry who blame piracy or the games industry who blame piracy or the music industry who oddly enough, blame piracy. The music industry got it on, they worked (ok, were forced to work) with Apple and iTunes, games are getting around it with online passes (which gamers hate), they also try restrictive DRM but that actually encourages piracy as gamers get a better game experience with a pirated copy that doesn't screw up their system with a ton of DRM.

The problem is that industry is slow to change, they rely on business models that were working in the 80's or 90's but are no longer relevant in the 2000's, it's not just an issue with films, books, music, it's an issue facing all bricks and mortar operations that have to compete with an online perspective (in the UK it's 20% cheaper to buy online in the UK due to a loophole in VAT laws).

The only thing the guy in the video got right was the fear of the internet, it shouldn't be feared and should be embraced by the Anime industry in Japan, by using the internet they can bring out more potential for their IP than by trying to restrict it and fight against it.

I'm in the UK, we have (afaik) two legal online ways to get our anime, CR and ANN but we're pretty restricted in what we get, a lot of CR content isn't available here or in many countries around the world due to licencing issues. What that means in real terms is that we are not able to be introduced to franchises, the Japanese companies are limiting who gets to watch their stuff leaving only three options for people outside Japan or the US..

1) Piracy - we get it here, we get it now, who knows, maybe we'll become fans of the series and buy merchandise which eventually puts Cash in Pocket
2) Import - Well, not so easy, we're a different region on DVD/Blu-Ray to the US for subs, same region as Japan for DVD but then we'd need to learn Japanese, we also need to have exposure to the series involved which if it isn't licensed would of course, cause issues.
3) - Totally ignore the series, it may never be available in our region so there is no exposure to the franchise for us and no way for the Japanese companies to monetise the huge population in the EU for that particular series.

Piracy is always going to exist, there is no way to get away from it, people will still prefer free over 99p, but if a business model comes out that offers the consumer a better option than piracy, for instance, giving world wide rights to each anime rather than restricting by region (which, afaik is illegal in the EU, if it's available in the UK it has to be made available all over Europe), giving people extra bonuses for buying a copy (redeemable codes for unique content for instance), many, many ways to make people want to buy into a series rather than saying "get lost, we don't want your business" which seems to be the current way of doing stuff for people outside Japan or the US.
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TheAncientOne wrote:


Tununias wrote:
The privatization of the internet is something that we DO NOT need. Fortunately, this will never happen no matter how hard any government tries.

I take it you don't realize that privatization typically means exactly the opposite of increased government control.



I guess I just assumed it meant the opposite of public.
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Personally I will always oppose regulation of the Internet. In many ways the internet is a forum of pure thought, yes some of that thought is the ramblings of the insane but we all have the freedom to express our thoughts, just as we have the freedom to ignore some of what we read here.

Regulating the internet means regulating that flow of thought., it means someone else decides what kinds of thought are acceptable and what aren't. Even if it is masked behind Good Intentions the crux of it is "Control what People Think and Say."

On the more direct matter of Piracy I think there is more to be achieved by increasing the means by which people can access content legally, than there is in smashing down on illegal content. Given a Choice most people will choose a legal alternative, provided they feel the price is reasonable and the quality is what they are looking for. Legal but Crap is just going to push people to look for better quality versions from the illegal sources. Ditto for Legal but overpriced and with a dozen restrictions to shove up your rear.


Posted 5/23/12
I have to be honest here, while the internet is still working piracy for anything will never stop.

Although I think as long as there's still anime fans doing things right by supporting anime licensed websites like Crunchyroll, Hulu, Funimation, etc. and buying their favorite anime DVD releases the anime industry can still support itself.
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Low birth rates in Japan are also killing anime. Just saying. So much work and money goes into producing anime then there's fewer and fewer new customers. Does anyone know if the producers actually take into account business outside of Japan?
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It's all about making money with media. Animation in general is expensive to produce due to heavy labor load.

It's beyond making potential profit. Piracy steals audience from legitimate media distribution such as CR streaming, TV, and theater. When audience is lost to pirates (there are plenty of pirated streaming, not just downloads), legitimate copyright holders can't make enough money from advertisement and subscription.

Not all anime titles are successful and most people watch once and forget. Even though things are like that, legitimate distributors still get money because audience are using their service and little extra for premium service.
On the other hand, Pirates will keep the whatever money coming in for themselves as long as they get million hits. Even worse, most of them direct to sites that sell more pirated substandard quality products, games, and services.

Some people may think merchandise sales could help the production cost more than DVD/BD sales. However....

For some anime, typically the ones aimed at kids, selling merchandise is the most important way to recoup that investment. But most anime, especially the majority of it that now airs late at night, don't last long enough or don't appeal to enough people for merchandise to be all that useful. These anime must make back their costs almost entirely through DVD sales.

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