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How piracy is killing the anime industry.
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All of you do realize that piracy was already rampant before internet, right?
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I live in the uk the stuff we get access to is a lot less than the us we dont have hulu access etc but we do have some shows on funimation youtube channel and there is cr which is good aod is crap i was looking at importing dbz a while back but i heard manga were getting it so im waiting on it from them.

I understand why people pirate stuff no money, cant be dealing with importing, waiting on releases dont want to pay for it or theres just no way to get it especially in the uk it doesnt make it right and they may have to face the law some day because of it.

Ive been building my anime collection since the 90s manga vhs and with dvds now im proud of it i wish i could have more shows added to it that havent had a uk release or never will but for now there is cr which does have a lot more than any other place to stream here and hopefully will have a lot of the summer line up for the uk.

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dark_pride wrote:

All of you do realize that piracy was already rampant before internet, right?

That would depend on where you live. Also, you state "before internet", but that would have been well before you were born, so I am assuming you meant before the internet was a major vehicle for video.

In the U.S., for example, "rampant" certainly wouldn't apply, as there certainly weren't vendors on every other street corner selling pirated videos, and an individual could only reach out to a limited number of other individuals, assuming they even had the equipment to make copies.
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crall0011 wrote:

I think in a way some companies have no one to blame but themselves especially when it comes to anime. I'm sorry Funimation but I'm not paying $50+ for an anime that is only 6 to 12 episodes long. Bring down the price and we'll talk. I say this but I absolutly hate piracy. So when situations like this arise I turn to Crunchyroll and Hulu. Low monthy rates with unlimited viewing. Can you get any better? I'll be waiting on that free month now Cruchyroll.


FUNimation/Sentai/Media Blasters' prices for anime is still far cheaper than the Japanese prices. Also what anime that only has 6 episodes and is $50? That's Japanese pricing there. I have never paid more than $40 for 12 episode anime from FUNi.



I'm probably over exagerating on the 6 episode thing. I was more than willing to pay the $30 price tag for the Fooly Cooly blu ray, but it was only because it was an excellent series. Like I said some of the more borderine anime I liked I probably would have bought had it been about half the price they were asking for. I guess I just miss the days of buying an anime that had four to five episodes and never paying over $20 for it. I have found really good deals on blu ray anime on Amazon along with very well priced Jrock albums as well.
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dark_pride wrote:

All of you do realize that piracy was already rampant before internet, right?

That would depend on where you live. Also, you state "before internet", but that would have been well before you were born, so I am assuming you meant before the internet was a major vehicle for video.

In the U.S., for example, "rampant" certainly wouldn't apply, as there certainly weren't vendors on every other street corner selling pirated videos, and an individual could only reach out to a limited number of other individuals, assuming they even had the equipment to make copies.


I do have a small collection of video tape Fansubs from before Torrenting became the way to do things. I don't have anything to play them in anymore but I still have the tapes.

It was harder but it was always there. Pretty much every Anime Club I have ever been a part of had some connection that got them Bootlegged video tapes and most of them had a guy in the club who would make copies for anyone who asked.


one quick check later most of mine came from a Fansubbing group called VKLL and a couple of them are from one called JAB


Piracy is, was and always will be, in some form or another, the current state of the internet simply makes it easier.

I stand by the idea that the best way to fight it is to simply make things more accessible legally. In this day and age the idea of geography being a boundary for things is antiquated and the markets need to change to reflect the new global reality.

Posted 5/23/12
Piracy kills everything. :\ I see it more of a form of advertisement these days.
Posted 5/23/12
I have a Master's degree in Business Management, a Chartered Accountancy certificate and I'm studying for a law degree - so trust me when I say piracy is not going to kill anime... My final year Business Management course thesis work was on piracy and the underground economy...
Piracy has been a problem even before the internet... Internet piracy has not killed off Hollywood, Bollywood, Japan's video game industry or any entertainment industry for that matter... Anime is not going to die just because some punk somewhere is making and uploading a torrent...
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i think what they mean by piracy is not lincesed out by a company. If its not lincesed, how are we going to watch it?
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I think the Anime companies shoot them shelves in the foot make Anime available everywhere and to everybody that way there won't be that much piracy like where i live the only place to watch Anime is here and they don't have every show available
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Pirating entire series' and never buying the DVDs--even when you can afford to later--is disgusting. Especially today, with so many legal streaming sites available.

I only support animé piracy in two situations:

1) A series you want to see has yet to be licensed in your region for either physical release or online streaming, and the official Japanese release has no subtitles in your language, making importing a huge waste of money.

In this case, you better freaking buy the DVD if it ever does get licensed. I did this with fansubs of a number of series back in the day--notably the "ef~a tale of memories/melodies" series', and I pre-ordered the Blu-Rays as soon as Sentai licensed them.

2) You want to preview an older series that isn't available online legally.

In this case, I make a point to only watch the first few episodes, and then delete the files. If I enjoyed it, I'll purchase the DVD to finish the rest. I did this last month with "Niea_7" and "Arjuna" (both of which are fantastic, by the way, go buy them). I refuse to let myself watch an entire pirated series if I don't intend to buy the DVDs.

Not having the money available to purchase something is no excuse for pirating. There's SOOO many shows available for free online viewing legally that you can afford to miss out on a couple series' for a while until your budget allows for a purchase.


EDIT-- Now, when it comes to things that aren't animé, my opinions on piracy differ a little.

-Music, you should never ever pirate. Just go to freaking Grooveshark or Pandora if you don't want to pay for it, geez.
-Real movies, just rent the damn thing.
-Books, it really depends. Only if your local library doesn't have it, and even then, try to find room in your budget to purchase it later.
-Game of Thrones? Pirate it all day every day, because HBO sucks, but buy the DVDs when they come out.
Posted 5/24/12
Piracy can actually be a good thing for people like me... In India, all shows are heavily censored and most of the good anime don't even air on Animax-India... And unlike the Americas and Europe, anime DVDs and manga are not exactly easily available and those manga that are available are crappy ones and even those are heavily censored... India reportedly has 3 million anime fans according to the Times of India and this number is expected to grow to 5 million in the next three years... The only choice we have if we want to watch/read good, uncensored anime/manga is torrents and file-sharing websites like HotFile and Rapidshare... This is why I hate censorship - it actually promotes piracy and black market economies... In this case though piracy is the lesser of two evils...

FUCK CEN***SHIP...!!!
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If I enjoyed it, I'll purchase the DVD to finish the rest. I did this last month with "Niea_7" and "Arjuna" (both of which are fantastic, by the way, go buy them).

Off topic, but Arjuna is one of only two series I have ever purposely dropped, so obviously we have a difference of opinion about it.

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crall0011 wrote:


visoredavenger wrote:


crall0011 wrote:

I think in a way some companies have no one to blame but themselves especially when it comes to anime. I'm sorry Funimation but I'm not paying $50+ for an anime that is only 6 to 12 episodes long. Bring down the price and we'll talk. I say this but I absolutly hate piracy. So when situations like this arise I turn to Crunchyroll and Hulu. Low monthy rates with unlimited viewing. Can you get any better? I'll be waiting on that free month now Cruchyroll.


FUNimation/Sentai/Media Blasters' prices for anime is still far cheaper than the Japanese prices. Also what anime that only has 6 episodes and is $50? That's Japanese pricing there. I have never paid more than $40 for 12 episode anime from FUNi.



I'm probably over exagerating on the 6 episode thing. I was more than willing to pay the $30 price tag for the Fooly Cooly blu ray, but it was only because it was an excellent series. Like I said some of the more borderine anime I liked I probably would have bought had it been about half the price they were asking for. I guess I just miss the days of buying an anime that had four to five episodes and never paying over $20 for it. I have found really good deals on blu ray anime on Amazon along with very well priced Jrock albums as well.


Your argument is flawed. If you are willing to pay $20 for 4-5 episodes ($4-$5 each) then you should also be willing to pay $48-$60 for 12 episodes ($4-$5 each). Anime in the US has not increased in price. In fact, a lot of the time it's cheaper than it used to be from the prices I've seen. Also, that $20 for 4-5 episodes would have been DVD price, right? You can't really compare that to BluRay prices. If you want it on BluRay then you pay the extra money. Otherwise you should just be cheap and buy the DVD version for less. You are just trying to justify being a leech, and failing.
Posted 5/24/12
well i prob downloaded 100gb worth of illegal animes,but thats because i cant afford 50$ for a season at the moment
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crall0011 wrote:


visoredavenger wrote:


crall0011 wrote:

I think in a way some companies have no one to blame but themselves especially when it comes to anime. I'm sorry Funimation but I'm not paying $50+ for an anime that is only 6 to 12 episodes long. Bring down the price and we'll talk. I say this but I absolutly hate piracy. So when situations like this arise I turn to Crunchyroll and Hulu. Low monthy rates with unlimited viewing. Can you get any better? I'll be waiting on that free month now Cruchyroll.


FUNimation/Sentai/Media Blasters' prices for anime is still far cheaper than the Japanese prices. Also what anime that only has 6 episodes and is $50? That's Japanese pricing there. I have never paid more than $40 for 12 episode anime from FUNi.



I'm probably over exagerating on the 6 episode thing. I was more than willing to pay the $30 price tag for the Fooly Cooly blu ray, but it was only because it was an excellent series. Like I said some of the more borderine anime I liked I probably would have bought had it been about half the price they were asking for. I guess I just miss the days of buying an anime that had four to five episodes and never paying over $20 for it. I have found really good deals on blu ray anime on Amazon along with very well priced Jrock albums as well.


Your argument is flawed. If you are willing to pay $20 for 4-5 episodes ($4-$5 each) then you should also be willing to pay $48-$60 for 12 episodes ($4-$5 each). Anime in the US has not increased in price. In fact, a lot of the time it's cheaper than it used to be from the prices I've seen. Also, that $20 for 4-5 episodes would have been DVD price, right? You can't really compare that to BluRay prices. If you want it on BluRay then you pay the extra money. Otherwise you should just be cheap and buy the DVD version for less. You are just trying to justify being a leech, and failing.


Wow did someone wake up one the wrong side of the bed this morning? You don't know me or what my financial situation is. $50-$60 is a lot of money for me at one time. $20 spread out over a couple of months is something I can live with. You can argue all you want but you shouldn't make things personal.
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