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Chivalry, Valiance, and Gallantry
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To be chivalrous, to be valiant, to be gallant, to be dashing. These values used to be applauded as the proper way a man should treat a lady.

The proverbial "knight in shining armor." A gentleman.

What do women think of a modern-day man who follows this code of conduct?

Do you think it's attractive? Or perhaps lame? Is it something that you think is too old-fashioned and archaic?



Do men feel that "chivalry truly is dead?" Have you ever been chivalrous in your life? How did women react to it?

Discuss.
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I know someone like this. I think it's slightly sexist, I always feel a little below him when he offers to pay me for pool just because I'm a girl or when he says "don't curse in front of a lady!" when we're hanging out with his friends. It's like saying because I'm a female, I shouldn't do these things.*
Posted 6/10/12
Hi-yo, Silver! Away!
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FlyinDumpling wrote:

I know someone like this. I think it's slightly sexist, I always feel a little below him when he offers to pay me for pool just because I'm a girl or when he says "don't curse in front of a lady!" when we're hanging out with his friends. It's like saying because I'm a female, I shouldn't do these things.*


Have you told him how you feel and does he continue treating you the same way afterwards?

I think a lot of guys are raised by their fathers to "pay for the lady." If we don't then we're considered cheap or less manly somehow. It's usually common courtesy when you go out with a lady that you pay for the expenses.
Posted 6/10/12
What sexism? Equality is for the damn Soviets.
Posted 6/10/12
The inturdnet white knight is also annoying too. Good intentions/ulterior motive, but flawed executions.
Posted 6/10/12
What is Chivalry, Valiance, and Gallantry?
Posted 6/10/12

gaara579 wrote:

What is Chivalry, Valiance, and Gallantry?


I have no idea. I came here thinking it was about French cuisine.
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i have never met a man that followed this code so i wouldn't really know if i would like it or not but if they are nice and polite, that would be fine. ^-^
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People should be polite for courtesy's sake while going from day to day. A polite society moves more smoothly than a crass one.

When people care for one another, they should be kind to one another because the want to be kind, because they care.

Obligation has no place in love. Obligation has no place in a free heart. Chivalry is nothing but a foolish set of rules made up by some victorian-era (was it Victorian era or slightly before? I forget, but I know it was after the middle ages) poets trying to look cool. You know those guitar-playing douchebags trying to woo girls on college campuses with lousy 2-chord sonnets? Yeah, those are the type of guys who invented the concept of chivalry. Oh, and it comes from the French word for "horse" (and later "knight" or Chevalier ). Women run the gambit from kind to selfish, smart to moronic, just like men. There is no reason to generalize.

Treat those you love with love. This works both ways. Let bias, obligation, and chivalry be damned.
Posted 6/11/12

dark_paradox_21 wrote:

People should be polite for courtesy's sake while going from day to day. A polite society moves more smoothly than a crass one.

When people care for one another, they should be kind to one another because the want to be kind, because they care.

Obligation has no place in love. Obligation has no place in a free heart. Chivalry is nothing but a foolish set of rules made up by some victorian-era (was it Victorian era or slightly before? I forget, but I know it was after the middle ages) poets trying to look cool. You know those guitar-playing douchebags trying to woo girls on college campuses with lousy 2-chord sonnets? Yeah, those are the type of guys who invented the concept of chivalry. Oh, and it comes from the French word for "horse" (and later "knight" or Chevalier ). Women run the gambit from kind to selfish, smart to moronic, just like men. There is no reason to generalize.

Treat those you love with love. This works both ways. Let bias, obligation, and chivalry be damned.


I refuse to believe Saber is a guitar douchebag. Chivalry is just a tool. It doesn't make a person a douche, just like a gun doesn't make one a killer. But they can both be used for such means.

I do agree with the line of thinking that you should do whatever you want and not feel obligated though.
Posted 6/11/12
In some ways it is dead because of how this generations sarcasm and humor seem to be the base of getting a lady to smile instead of
being over the top nice and whatever. For example this guy sent my friends flowers every week in the beginning of the relationship. She actually didn't like it and thought of it as creepy. I thought it was nice but these days seeing anyone being constantly that way seems almost fake and we dismiss it as a guy trying too hard. Its kinda sad how things turned out this way isn't it? lol
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sad indeed
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I try to be chivalrous and respectful of others, but I also try to be fair at the same time. Contrary to what people say, women DO appreciate a chivalrous act here and there. Just don't overdo it. You'll spoil them and that will end up hurting you.
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NyuBoom wrote:

For example this guy sent my friends flowers every week in the beginning of the relationship. She actually didn't like it and thought of it as creepy. I thought it was nice but these days seeing anyone being constantly that way seems almost fake and we dismiss it as a guy trying too hard. Its kinda sad how things turned out this way isn't it? lol


The guys comes off as a bit eager, but it seems like he went above and beyond what was required of him in terms of treating a lady well. Sounds pretty judgmental of your friend to be honest. It's not something he had to do, but obviously he really liked her enough to put forth a lot of effort and money.

It's treatment like this that makes "sweet, nice" guys become jaded and bitter. Then women bemoan why the world is full of dicks and jerks.
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