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Detective Conan. Legal options?
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Yep, the show sold really badly for them so I don't blame them for not finishing it up. I think the main issue is how much money it'd cost and the effort of subbing like 500 episodes. Not even mentioning dubbing. The profit probably wouldn't be enough if the english market is judging how well Funimation did with it. (Also, I've never heard that TMS wants a lot of money for it.. that makes it even more difficult if it's true =[ ) Which is a shame cause I'm pretty sure if it got subbed, it'd most likely turn a profit in the long run. Just don't rename the characters and put it on TV at like 4am lol.
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Yeah, that's what sucks. I'd support the show if I possibly could. I don't think buying Funimation stuff really accomplishes that though. They just have a handful of the episodes anyway. =[


Too bad it's too late for that. Looks like there are lot of fans who still want FUNimation to continue dubbing (myself included) but if they had bought the DVDs in the first place they wouldn't have given upon the series. If it made money they may well have gotten weekly simulcasts like they do with One Piece but people went pirate and that has consequences.

Pretty sure someone else will sub it, then TMS will send FUNimation after them again and this will happen over and over until FUNimation's licenses agreement for the show runs out and the are no longer obligated to go after pirates.

Maybe Sentai Films will pick it up the release sub only DVDs, but if I am the head of Sentai I'd go "If FUNimation couldn't make money off of it then we won't either"

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(Also, I've never heard that TMS wants a lot of money for it.. that makes it even more difficult if it's true =[ ) Which is a shame ca


Yeah word is FUNimation is still interested in the rest of D Grayman but is having a hard time negotiating a deal with TMS. with only a few episodes left they want to finish up due to fan requests. The longer a series is the more it costs to get and it carry more risks the fans burned FUNimation with all of the YouTube uploads of Case Closedit wasn't the other way 'round

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Too bad it's too late for that. Looks like there are lot of fans who still want FUNimation to continue dubbing (myself included) but if they had bought the DVDs in the first place they wouldn't have given upon the series. If it made money they may well have gotten weekly simulcasts like they do with One Piece but people went pirate and that has consequences.

Pretty sure someone else will sub it, then TMS will send FUNimation after them again and this will happen over and over until FUNimation's licenses agreement for the show runs out and the are no longer obligated to go after pirates.

Maybe Sentai Films will pick it up the release sub only DVDs, but if I am the head of Sentai I'd go "If FUNimation couldn't make money off of it then we won't either"


Had I known better when I was younger, I would have bought the DVDs. I wasn't a huge fan of the dubs but it was still alright. Damn you hindsight! At least I do what I can now.

And I agree, they'll keep shutting down the subbers till their license runs out. I heard it was sometime in 2013 but that's just a rumor, I believe.

Exactly! Everyone will look back to how well it did in the English market with Funimation and go, "Yeah, I'm not touching that one."



Yeah word is FUNimation is still interested in the rest of D Grayman but is having a hard time negotiating a deal with TMS. with only a few episodes left they want to finish up due to fan requests. The longer a series is the more it costs to get and it carry more risks the fans burned FUNimation with all of the YouTube uploads of Case Closedit wasn't the other way 'round


That sucks about D. Gray-man.. It wasn't half bad either. Well it just sounds like TMS is really hard to work with then. =|
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It's not illegal to use fansubs if there isn't any licensing for it in your region.


Not to burst anyone's bubble, but to my knowledge both the USA and Japan are part of an international agreement of some sort where if it's liscensed in Japan, but not America, it's illegal to watch it unless you find a site like Crunchyroll. Though if I'm wrong, someone please feel free to correct me.


This is correct, it's called the Berne Convention, and most countries in the world have signed it. It basically states that the IPs in one country will be recognized by every country which has signed this. People try to claim that fansubs are a 'grey' area; this is not true- it is illegal, they do not have digital rights from the Japanese companies.

For streaming in general, most of the sites have been mentioned already (FUNimation, Hulu, CrunchyRoll, et al), though there is also AnimeNetwork (the one based on the channel), the Manga Ent app on things like the 360, and NicoNico has some also. Youtube is... spotty at best; some companies do have full episodes up there to watch (I know that NozomiEnt has put a few up), but the ones broken into part 1/3 typically aren't legal.

Now, the subject at hand about Case Closed / Detective Conan. No, FUNimation isn't trying to stick it to anyone with this series; they've tried selling what they have several ways. But people aren't buying it. Thus, FUNimation will not exercize rights to get more episodes. And I don't see anyone else going for it in the interim, knowing how poorly it sold for FUNi. As for enforcement of the newer episodes and their removal, that's probably contractual based on what they do have. Detective Conan is one of those big franchises in Japan, and commands a high cult premium, despite the lack of said following outside of Japan.

So, you want to watch it legally? I'm assuming you own all 5 seasons that FUNimation put out already? If you want the rest, well... you have 2 options for legal viewing. You can learn Japanese and import the rest of the series from Japan. Or, you can get about a metric ton of money, and try asking FUNimation how much they would need to license more. Don't be surprised if you're quoted over $1,000,000 per season, though...
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I never really supported Funimation before this incident (with the way they edit anime and ruin it) but I definitely won't support them any more after it.

I hope Detective Conan never comes back to US shows. The US already proved it can't handle it if it had to

1) Edit all the names to American

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2) Stick it on Adult Swim when it's a kid's show in Japan
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1) Edit all the names to American

"All the names" is an overstatement. I wasn't aware Kudo and Edogawa were considered "American" names. More often than not, the Japanese family name was retained (probably because it wasn't used that often).


2) Stick it on Adult Swim when it's a kid's show in Japan

I think you can blame Adult Swim for that...unless you expected Funimation to turn down a licensing deal.

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I never really supported Funimation before this incident (with the way they edit anime and ruin it) but I definitely won't support them any more after it.


You say that like they do it to the majority of anime they dub. Other than Case Closed give me some examples of where FUNimation edited something from an anime.


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So, I've been seeing a lot of "TMS" as some type of company I assume? Does someone mind giving me the name of the company?

And sorry to bring the subject slightly off-topic.

Thanks.
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So, I've been seeing a lot of "TMS" as some type of company I assume? Does someone mind giving me the name of the company?

And sorry to bring the subject slightly off-topic.

Thanks.


TMS Entertainment the studio that makes the show

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Mertonan wrote:
1) Edit all the names to American

"All the names" is an overstatement. I wasn't aware Kudo and Edogawa were considered "American" names. More often than not, the Japanese family name was retained (probably because it wasn't used that often).


2) Stick it on Adult Swim when it's a kid's show in Japan

I think you can blame Adult Swim for that...unless you expected Funimation to turn down a licensing deal.



Beats me why they kept those yet changed everyone else. It's dumb having half-Japanese half-American names.

It's for the best the show bombed. I'd hate to see how they handle later episodes where Japanese is vital to the clues and murders, and with Funimation determined to whitewash it, it'd all be lost.


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Mertonan wrote:

I never really supported Funimation before this incident (with the way they edit anime and ruin it) but I definitely won't support them any more after it.


You say that like they do it to the majority of anime they dub. Other than Case Closed give me some examples of where FUNimation edited something from an anime.




Dragonball, Crayon Shin-chan, Keroro Gunsou.
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Dragonball, Crayon Shin-chan, Keroro Gunsou.


Oh, when you said "edit anime and ruin it" I thought you meant the way 4Kids edited One Piece and literally ruined it. Out of 200+ anime you hate what they did to 4-5 shows and therefore the entire company is trash?

What they did with Crayon Shin-chan,and Keroro Gunsou are parody dubs, funny ones at that. I doubt anyone would have been interested in those shows if they hadn't done that. The Japanese companies behind those shows don't seem to care about the dubbing.

FUNimation ruined Dragon Ball?!?! Are you serious?! It may be hard to believe but Dragon Ball would not be where it is today without FUNimation and vice-verse. Dragon Ball and DBZ where near the end of it's run in Japan and had been dubbed into a few other languages like Spanish and there wasn't much fan fare out of the world market, until FUNimation got a hold to it making it the icon show of the 2000's


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It sucks to see the hammer coming down on Detective Conan. I read the manga, so as a fellow DC fan I can feel some of the pain. I know it's probably legal this and contact that, but it still sucks that current English-speaking DC anime fans are out of luck for future episodes.

There's probably only a small number of fans who are willing to pay to support the series. I for one am glad that Crunchyroll has grown as a company since it started this new business model (not sure how they're doing currently). I love the fact that I can watch my anime legally, which is most of the reason why I pay for the service.

What I'm trying to say is that it would be great if a company like Crunchyroll was able to pick up Detective Conan, but for such a big series it may be tough to acquire especially since the number of fans who are willing to pay is probably be really small. I'm just guessing here. It would be great if that happened and if it was financially possibly. Again, I have no idea what the circumstances are.. Technically Funimation could sub and stream the newer episodes as it's probably much cheaper, but we all know they won't just skip all those seasons in between. And from what I saw using their 2-week Elite subscription trial, their site doesn't come close to what Crunchyroll offers. After all, they're still mainly a license and publish to DVD/blu-ray company.

I probably made some comments that are off, but I'm just stating my opinion based on my limited knowledge.
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I don't think anyone has mentioned Viki.com yet. They don't have much in the way of anime at present. And just because they have it doesn't mean it's subbed, since they rely on viewers to provide translations. They mostly only have [really] old series for now (except for Ozma, which they collabed with CR on). But who knows, you could suggest it to them.

And on Hulu: Hulu is pretty much a hosting site for licensing companies and content owners; I don't believe they don't go out and buy licenses from Japan or anything for the anime they host. Someone like Funimation would still need to buy the streaming rights.
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