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Why don't people like fansubs?
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Posted 10/1/12
I think its hard to say what kind of effect fansubs have in the US. On the one hand, they increase exposure significantly, and due to the increased exposure, Anime merchandise sales increase on shows that would not have been seen otherwise. Also the increased popularity also increases the odds of people buying DVDs if they are ever licensed. Also, companies like Funimation can study what shows have appealed to US audiences and licence them for the US.
On the other hand, they are an illegal product, therefore they do contribute to less sales, how many sales are lost is hard to establish. If some people have the show stored on hdds, then they might not feel the need to buy them. Also using fansubs over sites with legal streaming does hurt the industry. Now, i have been a subscriber of Crunchyroll since they became legal streamers a few years ago. But if they dont offer the product I am looking for, I will consider alternative sources.

Shows being shown on American Television is kind of another issue all together. In the Anime community, there will always be a significant number of fans that quite simply do not like Dubs, also dubbing takes a lot of time, and even after the dubbing, most shows will come out on DVD and will be well established by the time the shows are picked up by a channel. For a lot of the Anime community, most of the shows that are shown on American television will be reruns from their perspective.
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Posted 10/1/12
I bought Mirai Nikki on dvd, and the subs on every episode were pretty good.
The last episode however was obviously either fan subbed or they decided to let the worst guy in the company do them,
because what should have been something like "You have to do what's right, and follow your dream" turned into "Dream you following, doing right, must you."
It was so bad.
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Posted 10/1/12 , edited 10/1/12
If people "hated" fansubs as the OP seems to think, then we wouldnt have the culture we do now.

I am not saying that fansubbers single-handedly started this whole thing with anime and manga being popular, but they did contribute to it significantly. When companies like Fox and Funimation were picking and choosing what they wanted to bring over, and then hacking up the stories to make them "suitable" for westerners. Fansubbers were translating them without editing the anime and manga and offering it for free.

Quality is hit or miss, some groups are extremely good and have better quality than the "legal" companies. Others have no idea what proper grammar is.

Technically and legally its stealing from the Japanese companies, but on the other hand, since they are not making a profit off it, they aren't. Piracy implies that you are making a profit. Fansubbers are more like... Mother Theresa. lol They are putting it out because they want to share what they like and love.

On another note, series that are not liscensed in the west are not loosing money for the companies, since usually they aren't picked up anyway. There's a lot of anime and manga that would have never gotten western exposure if not for fansubbers. If it weren't for them, as well as sites like Crunchy Roll, we might think that only One Piece, Bleach and DBZ were the only thing that Japan focused on. :P


Agree or disagree, this is how I see it, and calling me names and being abusive isn't going to make me change my mind.
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Though it cripples it, I find fansubs superior to 'professional' ones. I hear most companies just hire fansubbers these days anyways.
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Posted 10/1/12 , edited 10/1/12
Seven Seas company (if I remember correctly) was a fansubber group until they started licensing yuri manga and such.

Another thing: To those who complain about the terrible quality and bad translations; that's what get when you go to speed-sub streaming sites. Get them from quality fansubbers and they are much better.

The translators that I find are horrible are the manga scanlators. They read like they are translated by Japanese folk with a poor grasp of English. lol
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As a guy who wants to break into the anime industry himself as a voice actor, I'm ardently against fansubs for various reasons. It takes money away from good honest-working professionals in the industry like some of your favorite voice actors. I also don't like the arrogant attitude that many fansubbers have. It was a service back in the day when the internet wasn't what it is now, but now it barely serves a purpose with the advent of sites like CR and Hulu. Really, why would you want to take money away from honest-working professionals in this niche industry?
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alucard275 wrote:

As a guy who wants to break into the anime industry himself as a voice actor, I'm ardently against fansubs for various reasons. It takes money away from good honest-working professionals in the industry like some of your favorite voice actors. I also don't like the arrogant attitude that many fansubbers have. It was a service back in the day when the internet wasn't what it is now, but now it barely serves a purpose with the advent of sites like CR and Hulu. Really, why would you want to take money away from honest-working professionals in this niche industry?


Dubbers can go away and I won't mind, no offense.

But to the rest of your complaint, do you know of any site that includes every single anime out available and all uncensored? Cause that sure as hell aint here or Hulu. Fansubbers, keep up the good work ^_^
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Posted 10/2/12
In reality, what cripples the anime industry is the stupid pricing poilicies of the Japanese companies themselves. Instead of part-funding the marketing, the US arms are met with crippling licencing costs. The demented and absurd release strategies for Haruhi and K-On for example. High-priced DVDs won't sell, especially without decent marketing.

I would gladly subscribe to each and every legal channel I can. In the UK, I pay for Premium Crunchyroll membership, and the only other source Anime-On-Demand has had to become free.

For example if I wanted to see Hyouka legally, I would have to wait for Sentai/Funimation to dub it and then for Manga to distribute it in the UK. That's assuming that happens at all. Watching fansubs has no bearing on my decision to pick up a hard copy later. In fact, I'm more inclined to want to see great series in their full glory.
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Posted 10/2/12
because they are stupid. not everything gets picked up in north america anymore so sometime you have no choice but to go to a fansub site, even if they're typo's and misspelling you should be able to get the gist of it.
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Posted 10/2/12
I myself don't hate fansubs. They are the only way to watch some shows, but they don't really support the show. It is almost a chatch 22. You need something free to pull people in, but you can't make anime for free. Scanlations have a similar effect on manga,but I know people who read the religiously.
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Posted 10/2/12
I'm neutral about fansubs but there are a few things I dislike from them.

1. They don't translate words that can be translated. I mean, why say "ohayou gozaimasu" and put a trans note above saying that it means "good morning"? They could have just translated the whole line as good morning. The same goes for "arigatou", "baka", "onee/onii-chan/san", etc.

2. Inaccurate translations. This includes some lines being too literal.

3. Some fansubbers are elitist, thinking they are better than professionals. Professional subbers/dubbers are given the transcript of the anime directly from the Japanese makers. Fansubbers have to go by ear most of the time.

4. I hate translator's notes. Especially if they are put the while I'm watching an anime. This also covers one of the reasons I prefer dubs. It would be better though if the translator's notes were at the beginning of the anime.


Anyway, that's all I could think of. #1 is the my pet peeve when it comes to fansubs.
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Posted 10/2/12 , edited 10/2/12
I don't like it because it looks and sounds horrible.
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Posted 10/2/12
I have no hatred of fansubs, especially considering that for the first decade or so of my anime experience that was the only way I saw anything Japanese except for the very few items that appeared on American TV in badly mangled forms (and the oddly contorted but still very enjoyable reversioning of "Galaxy Express 999" that managed to make it to the big screen here.)

However, I strongly wish fansubbers would lay off the licensed series and leave them to the legal distributors. If you don't think the legal guys are doing a good enough job, it's more than likely it's because of their shoestring budget, because their sales are being undercut by fansubbers.

Want to help instead? Focus on the deep store of old series that remain untranslated, or have disappeared from distribution thanks to bankruptcies. Put the pressure on the content owners to figure out how to build a global distribution of their wares.
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Posted 10/2/12
I dont hate them.
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Posted 10/2/12 , edited 10/2/12
Why would I hate them? I'n grateful that fansubs exist. The main reason why I support CR is because I want to support the industry somehow, but most licensed shows are not available in my area, South America. So I rely on fansubs.

These people sub it for free for us that don't have anywhere else to watch.


alucard275 wrote:

As a guy who wants to break into the anime industry himself as a voice actor, I'm ardently against fansubs for various reasons. It takes money away from good honest-working professionals in the industry like some of your favorite voice actors. I also don't like the arrogant attitude that many fansubbers have. It was a service back in the day when the internet wasn't what it is now, but now it barely serves a purpose with the advent of sites like CR and Hulu. Really, why would you want to take money away from honest-working professionals in this niche industry?

Because I have no where else to watch. I don't live in the US where every single CR and Hulu and Funi and whatever lincense are available for.
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