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Why don't people like fansubs?
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I will only say this. If it wasn't for Dattebayo I wouldn't have found Crunchyroll, where I've been a member for a few years.
Posted 10/14/12
I used to watch fansubs when I was younger, but anymore I do my best to try and support the industry and watch official releases. Granted, some anime never make it over here to the states, and I guess the only way that I'd really be able to watch them is through a fansub (I'm still hoping Minami-ke gets licensed one of these days).

I guess it's the same reason I'd rather support the music industry by purchasing my music instead of downloading it illegally. The people who made the anime/music deserve to be supported. Just put yourself in their shoes - it only makes sense.
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They're illegal and don't support the people working hard to create anime and manga.
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i do hate fansubs, but not as much as i hate fandubs. neither support the industry though, so 'nuff said.
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Oh yeah, and if you hate fansubs: Do you also hate Crunchyroll?

A lot of people also forget that Crunchyroll itself started as a fansub site. It only "went legit" because content producers tried to find a way to monetize a real demand (that being, immediate access to new shows) that was previously being met by fansubs and nowhere else.

Like I said, they're a necessary evil, and things like Crunchyroll greatly mitigate that need.


As for hating fandubs... Give those guys a break. You almost never see more than one episode of any legitimate effort. Those are better looked at as cover songs for bands: It gives them practice in acting for when they do other material. It's about building and showing off skill, and, unlike fansubs, simply can't damage the need for legitimate product. Even if it's spectacularly well done, they aren't going to do a full series. If that did happen, well, anyone that shows that kind of talent and dedication would likely get a job in the industry.
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Posted 10/14/12

gsilver wrote:

Oh yeah, and if you hate fansubs: Do you also hate Crunchyroll?

A lot of people also forget that Crunchyroll itself started as a fansub site. It only "went legit" because content producers tried to find a way to monetize a real demand (that being, immediate access to new shows) that was previously being met by fansubs and nowhere else.

It may be more accurate that they went legit because they couldn't afford to continue operating as a Pirate Bay ~ they hosted the uploads themselves, and they couldn't afford the bandwidth. They had two choices: go legit, or go dark.

Leech streaming sites don't host the uploads themselves, they have volunteers to upload bootlegs to free streaming sites (breaking the rules of those sites), so they can leech off of those free streaming sites. That's why they are leech streaming: they leech the original work from the creators in Japan, they leech their subs from the fansub groups or from the legit streaming sites, and they leech their bandwidth from free video upload sites.

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Domayv wrote: The main reason is because they're killing the anime industry.

Its not clear that fansubs themselves are damaging.

What are clearly damaging are the bootleg anime streaming sites. They don't just stream series that are not available on legit sites and they don't just stream to countries that don't have licenses ... and they don't just stream fansubs.

They also (1) stream series that are available for free (2) to people in the country that have them for free on legit channels and (3) if they don't have a fansub, they'll just use the subtitles ripped off from the legit sites.

I don't see any real damage done by a fansub of a series that is not licensed for English language release, or downloaded by someone in Germany from a private tracker.

However, the legit streaming sites can only afford to pay low royalties per view, and need as many viewers as they can get in order to get more licenses to more countries. When the leech streaming sites divert viewers from the legit sites, they reduce the number of series that get a streaming license and the number of countries that they are licensed for.


then give me an example of a bootleg anime streaming site
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Domayv wrote: then give me an example of a bootleg anime streaming site

I don't advertise leech streaming sites on Crunchyroll.

But its not as if they are hard to find. If you search for free streaming for any specific anime series, half of the returns on the first page are likely to be leech streaming sites. And if you find a site that has a bigger selection of anime than has Naruto, Bleach and One Piece, its a leech streaming site.

Here is part of the disclaimer on the first one I found when I googled, where they basically admit that they are just a parasite on free video sites:

All videos of AnimeSeed.com are not hosted on the server that runs this site. Videos are hosted on 3rd party video streaming sites such as but are not limited to: Facebook, DailyMotion, Youtube, Stage6, MyspaceTV, Megavideo and/or Veoh. If you own any work on this site and would like to have them removed, please contact us, as well as the 3rd party site which hosts the files. All we are doing is making use of available legal content found all over the internet in a respectful manner.


They are, of course, lying about that being "all" that they are doing, since the illegal uploads that they rely upon are constantly taken down, and so for a leech anime streaming site to keep its series "up", they rely on volunteers to keep making illegal uploads to the free streaming sites that they point it.
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