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Well I'm just not going to be able to agree with at all, so I'll just leave it at that. I already gave my perspective on the situation.

I could go on and on, but it's not going to get us anywhere. If you really feel like SAO is a 14 year old's wet dream then there's not much I can say because I believe SAO is great and that I think you're just easily blowing it off by calling it "a 14 year old masturbated onto a piece of paper and it magically formed words." I believe it's much more than that.
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The sequelitis thing bugs me because it's a definite case of him making what I feel are some really terrible decisions for the unity and the strength of his world in order to preserve sequel potential (the final part of ALO where against all reason they set up infinite possible worlds comes to mind).

Also, I'm counting ALO as the first forced sequel. The setup is weird, the pacing and characterizations are worse and more cliche'... which fits my scenario of 'oh no what do I write about?'

Edit: Granted I have not seen or read the later ones, I really hated that ending (not the stuff in world, the stuff out of world).


yea, there were some really weird decisions on the part of the characters... as for the sequels, I think they definitely pick up around Bullet Dance, but the story doesn't start to get really good until Mother's Rosario. Alicization, from what I've read of it, is definitely the best of the series. funnily enough, Mother's Rosario and Alicization are both arcs where Kirito takes a more supporting role and others get to be in the spotlight for a change...
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windsagio wrote:

The sequelitis thing bugs me because it's a definite case of him making what I feel are some really terrible decisions for the unity and the strength of his world in order to preserve sequel potential (the final part of ALO where against all reason they set up infinite possible worlds comes to mind).

Also, I'm counting ALO as the first forced sequel. The setup is weird, the pacing and characterizations are worse and more cliche'... which fits my scenario of 'oh no what do I write about?'

Edit: Granted I have not seen or read the later ones, I really hated that ending (not the stuff in world, the stuff out of world).


yea, there were some really weird decisions on the part of the characters... as for the sequels, I think they definitely pick up around Bullet Dance, but the story doesn't start to get really good until Mother's Rosario. Alicization, from what I've read of it, is definitely the best of the series. funnily enough, Mother's Rosario and Alicization are both arcs where Kirito takes a more supporting role and others get to be in the spotlight for a change...


You know, that could be a classic and awesome story of the writer learning his craft
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Haha the bold parts! Lovely. That's such a dull comment I don't even know how to start this. Well, first off: throughout the whole novel (because I'm considering the whole thing, not just 1/5 of what I'm shown) Kirito is neither a god nor a shallow commercial shounen main's character like Goku or Naruto or Ichigo or whoever ends up having new powers whenever they need.

He's simply the player who beat the Death's game and who's known for that. His skills do have limits. Volume 7 for instance, after GGO ends, has Kirito completely sided from the story. Asuna becomes the main character along with new characters who end up being known as the real best. I still remember this quote from that Volume because it gave me goosebumps:"What did Kirito say? - He said that there was no way Absolute Sword was originally a SAO player. His reason being, that if Absolute Sword existed in that world, 'Dual Blades' would've been given to that person instead', because it clearly says that this new character is far above Kirito's level.

So long story short, Kirito is not always the strongest, he doesn't "magically win" because he doesn't win at all, he just ends up achieving what he aims for. In the first Aincrad volumes yeah he did end up being the strongest because he gave his everything to become the strongest in order to complete the game. After that he needed to rest but ends up getting in trouble again in Alfheim because of Asuna being trapped and therefore he does just as he did back in sao, gives his best to achieve something. Don't forget he never won alone, all the castle bosses were engaged as a party, in Alfheim he failed alone when he tried to reach the tree, he needed help from the other races to achieve that and he still barely managed. He's not a god who does things on his own, it's not as shallow as Goku throwing a Genkidama whenever he feels like just because he's out of energy and needs to end the fight. Kirito is actually humble and doesn't consider himself necessarily the strongest, who's capable to do everything. Chapter 1 of GGO: he nearly backs down from the investigation request he was given because he didn't think he could handle it.

My point is, the whole story is not a random story born from 'masturbating over a piece of paper' - how terrible is that line and how you came up with it, I don't even know - and I'm not replying as an SAO FANBOY OMG BEST ANIME EVER, I'm replying as a Novel reader and actually fan of the novel. The anime was rather bad, No Game No Life beats it over anything perspective and that's an actual genius. If this is really the most corny anime you've ever seen I don't think you've ever seen anything so corny you already know the ending from episode 1.
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We should categorically reject "Well in the novel..."

First of all, it's not a common point of reference.

Secondly, given that, there's no way to tell if it's actually true or the same rationalization xxJing is discussiong re: the show in his post.
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Haha the bold parts! Lovely. That's such a dull comment I don't even know how to start this. Well, first off: throughout the whole novel (because I'm considering the whole thing, not just 1/5 of what I'm shown) Kirito is neither a god nor a shallow commercial shounen main's character like Goku or Naruto or Ichigo or whoever ends up having new powers whenever they need.

He's simply the player who beat the Death's game and who's known for that. His skills do have limits. Volume 7 for instance, after GGO ends, has Kirito completely sided from the story. Asuna becomes the main character along with new characters who end up being known as the real best. I still remember this quote from that Volume because it gave me goosebumps:"What did Kirito say? - He said that there was no way Absolute Sword was originally a SAO player. His reason being, that if Absolute Sword existed in that world, 'Dual Blades' would've been given to that person instead', because it clearly says that this new character is far above Kirito's level.

So long story short, Kirito is not always the strongest, he doesn't "magically win" because he doesn't win at all, he just ends up achieving what he aims for. In the first Aincrad volumes yeah he did end up being the strongest because he gave his everything to become the strongest in order to complete the game. After that he needed to rest but ends up getting in trouble again in Alfheim because of Asuna being trapped and therefore he does just as he did back in sao, gives his best to achieve something. Don't forget he never won alone, all the castle bosses were engaged as a party, in Alfheim he failed alone when he tried to reach the tree, he needed help from the other races to achieve that and he still barely managed. He's not a god who does things on his own, it's not as shallow as Goku throwing a Genkidama whenever he feels like just because he's out of energy and needs to end the fight. Kirito is actually humble and doesn't consider himself necessarily the strongest, who's capable to do everything. Chapter 1 of GGO: he nearly backs down from the investigation request he was given because he didn't think he could handle it.

My point is, the whole story is not a random story born from 'masturbating over a piece of paper' - how terrible is that line and how you came up with it, I don't even know - and I'm not replying as an SAO FANBOY OMG BEST ANIME EVER, I'm replying as a Novel reader and actually fan of the novel. The anime was rather bad, No Game No Life beats it over anything perspective and that's an actual genius. If this is really the most corny anime you've ever seen I don't think you've ever seen anything so corny you already know the ending from episode 1.


So it gets better. Wonderful. I'll be looking forward to that.

I am actually proud of that line. It's my vulgar way of saying that SAO doesn't deviate from this trope for a second, not during the anime at least: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AscendedFanboy
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SAO is an amazing anime. Did you not see how cute Suguha was? Guess not.
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Wait Wait Wait.....I just read most of SAO and ALO was written when the guy was 14 or 15? my god I think I might have to now let go of most of my criticisms of the show, IDC how generic and contrive how the shows gets, this dude made millions from what he wrote at 15??!?!? well Fuck me....Pshhh barely any of my coding at that age was enough to make a decent Mario game....

I now have to ask...lol does anyone here really have any right to talk shit at this moment? LOL at this point comparatively, we haven't accomplished shit to that writer.

Still can't get over this though...14 15? seriously...seriously??! how old is he now? 20s something?
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So it gets better. Wonderful. I'll be looking forward to that.

I am actually proud of that line. It's my vulgar way of saying that SAO doesn't deviate from this trope for a second, not during the anime at least: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AscendedFanboy


It was a funny line >< Naturally people aren't gonna like that comparison though.


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Wait Wait Wait.....I just read most of SAO and ALO was written when the guy was 14 or 15? my god I think I might have to now let go of most of my criticisms of the show, IDC how generic and contrive how the shows gets, this dude made millions from what he wrote at 15??!?!? well Fuck me....Pshhh barely any of my coding at that age was enough to make a decent Mario game....

I now have to ask...lol does anyone here really have any right to talk shit at this moment? LOL at this point comparatively, we haven't accomplished shit to that writer.

Still can't get over this though...14 15? seriously...seriously??! how old is he now? 20s something?


His age doesn't mean the writing is better or the themes aren't intensely juvenile.

Also, lol@your comparison. There's just so much wrong with that. "Barely good enough to code a mario" is waaaaay more skilled than "Good enough to crap out genre fiction".

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TL;DR his age explains WHY it is the way it is, but doesn't JUSTIFY the way it is.
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xxJing wrote:


Kayraenia wrote:



Haha the bold parts! Lovely. That's such a dull comment I don't even know how to start this. Well, first off: throughout the whole novel (because I'm considering the whole thing, not just 1/5 of what I'm shown) Kirito is neither a god nor a shallow commercial shounen main's character like Goku or Naruto or Ichigo or whoever ends up having new powers whenever they need.

He's simply the player who beat the Death's game and who's known for that. His skills do have limits. Volume 7 for instance, after GGO ends, has Kirito completely sided from the story. Asuna becomes the main character along with new characters who end up being known as the real best. I still remember this quote from that Volume because it gave me goosebumps:"What did Kirito say? - He said that there was no way Absolute Sword was originally a SAO player. His reason being, that if Absolute Sword existed in that world, 'Dual Blades' would've been given to that person instead', because it clearly says that this new character is far above Kirito's level.

So long story short, Kirito is not always the strongest, he doesn't "magically win" because he doesn't win at all, he just ends up achieving what he aims for. In the first Aincrad volumes yeah he did end up being the strongest because he gave his everything to become the strongest in order to complete the game. After that he needed to rest but ends up getting in trouble again in Alfheim because of Asuna being trapped and therefore he does just as he did back in sao, gives his best to achieve something. Don't forget he never won alone, all the castle bosses were engaged as a party, in Alfheim he failed alone when he tried to reach the tree, he needed help from the other races to achieve that and he still barely managed. He's not a god who does things on his own, it's not as shallow as Goku throwing a Genkidama whenever he feels like just because he's out of energy and needs to end the fight. Kirito is actually humble and doesn't consider himself necessarily the strongest, who's capable to do everything. Chapter 1 of GGO: he nearly backs down from the investigation request he was given because he didn't think he could handle it.

My point is, the whole story is not a random story born from 'masturbating over a piece of paper' - how terrible is that line and how you came up with it, I don't even know - and I'm not replying as an SAO FANBOY OMG BEST ANIME EVER, I'm replying as a Novel reader and actually fan of the novel. The anime was rather bad, No Game No Life beats it over anything perspective and that's an actual genius. If this is really the most corny anime you've ever seen I don't think you've ever seen anything so corny you already know the ending from episode 1.


So it gets better. Wonderful. I'll be looking forward to that.

I am actually proud of that line. It's my vulgar way of saying that SAO doesn't deviate from this trope for a second, not during the anime at least: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AscendedFanboy


Wait a sec. What? English is not my native language what the hell is that supposed to mean? I feel lost
NVM I got it, whatever!
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I have stated my problems with SAO. I did think it was enjoyable over all though.

What I was hoping SAO would be however, is an anime version of Grandia :P.



If you haven't played Grandia before, you should. It's on the PSN store. I own an imported Sega Saturn Version, the English PS version, and the PSN version.

The thing that Grandia does right that would have been great for SAO is that Grandia explores a very wide and interesting world. It's almost like you are playing through a collection of fairy tales and 90's animes.

SAO could have had a lore developed for the Aincrad world, had mysteries solved to help clear each floor. Guess what? Grandia's main character Justin -> 14 year old shonen protag. Main heroine Feena -> 15 year old expert huntress badass. See it parallels with SAO. The difference is, Justin works his way up to badass, he gets help from new friends he meets and gets tutored by a mentor, he goes through great deals of character development, learns and grows. Feena helps out Justin, just as much as Justin helps out Feena. I honestly think a recreation of Grandia in an mmo world would have been great for this generation, and I was hoping that was what SAO was going to be...

Well at least I have Hunter x Hunter. If Togashi goes on hiatus again... I swear I will go to Japan and get myself deported.
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windsagio wrote:
His age doesn't mean the writing is better or the themes aren't intensely juvenile.

Also, lol@your comparison. There's just so much wrong with that. "Barely good enough to code a mario" is waaaaay more skilled than "Good enough to crap out genre fiction".

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TL;DR his age explains WHY it is the way it is, but doesn't JUSTIFY the way it is.


LOL why do you have a TL;DR for this? My attention span is that small. I didn't say his writing was superb, just the fact that some shit he spewed at that age as made him millions in correlation to those his age, at this point I couldn't careless to even hear anyone argue about this anymore, or state the juvenile antics, the fact remains, he just won the game of life.

Don't worry, I tend to view anything mathematically related always superior to anything that deals with literature basically based on utility and importance, so you don't read far too much into that comparison. Unless you can show me any financial accomplishment remotely close to his from creating piratically nothing, yeahhhh I would hold back just a little bit.

On a side note; it makes me quite sad that coding isn't taught a lot earlier, or even a general requirement, might have been a bit better at that age if that was the case...lol just some random thought.
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windsagio wrote:
His age doesn't mean the writing is better or the themes aren't intensely juvenile.

Also, lol@your comparison. There's just so much wrong with that. "Barely good enough to code a mario" is waaaaay more skilled than "Good enough to crap out genre fiction".

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TL;DR his age explains WHY it is the way it is, but doesn't JUSTIFY the way it is.


LOL why do you have a TL;DR for this? My attention span is that small. I didn't say his writing was superb, just the fact that some shit he spewed at that age as made him millions in correlation to those his age, at this point I couldn't careless to even hear anyone argue about this anymore, or state the juvenile antics, the fact remains, he just won the game of life.

Don't worry, I tend to view anything mathematically related always superior to anything that deals with literature basically based on utility and importance, so you don't read far too much into that comparison. Unless you can show me any financial accomplishment remotely close to his from creating piratically nothing, yeahhhh I would hold back just a little bit.

On a side note; it makes me quite sad that coding isn't taught a lot earlier, or even a general requirement, might have been a bit better at that age if that was the case...lol just some random thought.


I guess, and I'd admit this is a little unfair, I'd compare it to a boyband star or an idol being successful at 15.

It's great that he's accomplished something like that, and it sounds like his skills are improving (per reference to the later arcs improving above), but the age he didn't doesn't negate anyone's right to criticize his work.

Part of it for me though is the reference to 'genre fiction'. If you can manage to get published, the standards are woefully low. It's like that in the States too. The rule used to be that if you could get a scifi or fantasy book published you were guaranteed reasonable minimum sales.

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Oh yeah, tl;dr'ing short things is just something I do because it's kind of funny, it's a good excuse to do a short summary
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