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Virtue versus Sin with anime these days... I rather wait for CR to air it so i can watch it on my PS3. =)
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Ep 9 was so epic, the fact that people have to wait is insulting. I can understand if we didnt pay money, but I do pay for my membership and I had to go to another sight risking viruses and other annoyances. I love Cr, but this was a mis fire out the world
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arg if i pay monthly for a service i expect to get it I am upset if CR right now
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Regarding Episode 9 (People should put these in spoiler tags until about 2-3 days after its released on CR)





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And it's not hard to understand the sentiments of _some_ here. A paid site who licenses, has the raw early, has a large subscriber/revenue base, and hires translators is now behind both the uploaders and the fansubs.


Is not something to be surprised that much. Crunchyroll is still new. A lot of fansubs have been working for years beafore that so their people might have a lot more of experiencie so is a gap that is going to take a while to cover. Still there are things only you guys can do now and more in the future. You can cover the expensives, rights, tecnology, get asistence from aanime producer and have your own server to have the shows in better quality and with you guys there isn't fear that someday the video is going to be deleted (so soon at least). Also your people get paid for it, so they may be able to live from this (not sure if they can right now) if that is the case they'll get the experience a lot faster than a fansuber that have to work or go to the school.


I belive fansubs are really honorable, because they do it for free even thought is a hard work. But still is a lot better to do things legaly if there is a way. I think that stoping a fansub when you aren't trying to give them a way to get it legaly seems more unfair than them doing it without rights althought no one get money from it. But this isn't the case and your policies and prices aren't bad at all. Let free-user watch "old" episodes is a good way to gain reputation between fans and even a child could convice theirs parents to pay at least the anime/membership for them, even a premium membership isn't too hard either, so as long Crunchyrroll is translating a show there isn't any need to translate the same show ilegally and, hopely, in the future you get a lot more of shows making inecesary to sub any anime/drama illegaly.
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EPISODE 9 aka EPISODE BEST
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aPromethean

And it's not hard to understand the sentiments of _some_ here. A paid site who licenses, has the raw early, has a large subscriber/revenue base, and hires translators is now behind both the uploaders and the fansubs.


Is not something to be surprised that much. Crunchyroll is still new. A lot of fansubs have been working for years beafore that so their people might have a lot more of experiencie so is a gap that is going to take a while to cover. Still there are things only you guys can do now and more in the future. You can cover the expensives, rights, tecnology, get asistence from aanime producer and have your own server to have the shows in better quality and with you guys there isn't fear that someday the video is going to be deleted (so soon at least). Also your people get paid for it, so they may be able to live from this (not sure if they can right now) if that is the case they'll get the experience a lot faster than a fansuber that have to work or go to the school.


I belive fansubs are really honorable, because they do it for free even thought is a hard work. But still is a lot better to do things legaly if there is a way. I think that stoping a fansub when you aren't trying to give them a way to get it legaly seems more unfair than them doing it without rights althought no one get money from it. But this isn't the case and your policies and prices aren't bad at all. Let free-user watch "old" episodes is a good way to gain reputation between fans and even a child could convice theirs parents to pay at least the anime/membership for them, even a premium membership isn't too hard either, so as long Crunchyrroll is translating a show there isn't any need to translate the same show ilegally and, hopely, in the future you get a lot more of shows making inecesary to sub any anime/drama illegaly.


Just to be clear in case others get confused, I'm not affiliated with CR aside from being a viewer and a premium anime member. And I don't have a problem with fansubs, even when CR or someone else picks up the show.

My point is that for an under 30 minute show, a decent Japanese and English speaker isn't going to take 4-6 hours to process the dialogue, which seemed about the time when fansubs were hitting You put in the time in the video, display length, and translation...it's usually not hardcoded in the video. Add in a double-check and maybe running it by a 2nd translator, maybe 2 hours of work for someone fluent..

You have your take, but to me, CR got major funding in 2008. Has gotten solid licenses since 2009. A solid subscriber base for years that has grown. They've had years to hire a handful of translators and to organize a set of free lance backups. And that's just the anime side. Their drama side, which I don't watch at all, if some are translated probably boosts revenue and the number of translators available for CR to contact to work as a backup if something falls through on the anime side. I'm not surprised at the speed of fansubs, I'm pointing out CR should be at least equal with the fansub speed even if they had gotten the video at the end of Japanese broadcast like the uploaders did. And we know they should have had the video sooner than that.
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You sounded a lot like someone from Cs's staff before.

Anyway, seems like SAO 9 will be transmited latter today. So there isn't a need to complain for the delay anymore.
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It was nice, look forward to the next episode.
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aPromethean wrote:
I'm not surprised at the speed of fansubs, I'm pointing out CR should be at least equal with the fansub speed even if they had gotten the video at the end of Japanese broadcast like the uploaders did. And we know they should have had the video sooner than that.

Yes, they should have, but what if they didn't? They can't just grab a raw off the internet and use that.

As I understand it, most (if not all) of the people that handle their subtitles are contractors, and if the terms of their contract state they must be provided with the video xx hours before it is due (usually because that person handles other work and can't drop it like a hot potato), then CR can only ask nicely if they get the video late and need it sooner than the specified time.

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That is to assume it is a transtator/translation problem. It is only an assumption that this is the problem, but I have no better explanation.
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aPromethean wrote:
I'm not surprised at the speed of fansubs, I'm pointing out CR should be at least equal with the fansub speed even if they had gotten the video at the end of Japanese broadcast like the uploaders did. And we know they should have had the video sooner than that.

Yes, they should have, but what if they didn't?
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I think this is losing context. We were talking about the speed of fansubs versus CR, and I was trying to state all things being equal, CR still should have smoked the fansubs.

This is straying and being extended from his reply to my earlier point that regardless of what happened, CR was soundly beat this time by uploaders and fansubbers each. That doesn't change no matter the underlying reason.

The reply was that fansubs were fast and established. Which I agree with. I think CR is faster though.



They can't just grab a raw off the internet and use that.


They probably can if their contracts allowed it, but they most certainly shouldn't even if the contracts did.

I'm not a copyright expert, but my understanding is under US law, even the derived work of a copyright can be held as owned by the original copyright owner if they choose to exercise it--but maybe that was trademark or maybe it applies to both. After all, it's the copyright owners intellectual property, hence why they pursue legal action even if the form permutes. So if the copyright holder contractually allowed CR, CR could download a torrent and upload it to their own site.

Now, I wouldn't want them to do that, and it probably wouldn't be wise from a quality, watermarking, etc. standpoints, but there's probably nothing technically or in the basic legal framework absolutely stopping them. It, however, gets more complicated given CR serves up content internationally, so other countries have a host of different rules, and that opens up a greater minefield of problems versus just waiting and going from the original source from the copyright holder.



As I understand it, most (if not all) of the people that handle their subtitles are contractors, and if the terms of their contract state they must be provided with the video xx hours before it is due (usually because that person handles other work and can't drop it like a hot potato), then CR can only ask nicely if they get the video late and need it sooner than the specified time.


No doubt. But that wouldn't seem to prevent them from finding other contractors that could work on a more emergency basis or bargain with their current contractors a set of similar conditions. I don't know if there are unionized or combined benefits behind the scenes either, but I find it hard to believe CR doesn't know some anime nut or some other connection they've come across simply by being in the industry this long who could do a translation at the drop of a hat once in awhile.

But as you, me, and others have pointed out or probably know well, as we yet to find out the underlying reason as to the cause of the delay (unless I missed it, I just got back in myself), all this is sort of fun speculation and talk. My point throughout this is that CR could have handled the information side of this a heck of a lot better than they did, not that a misstep was entirely impossible or preventable.
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Episode 9


Now that was an epic episode, hope it kept up the pace.

That dual sword wielding, soundtrack, and the fight. It was a bit short though but still was overall, I found this episode to be the best in the series so far.

Can't wait for next week.
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too many fillers but other than that, love the plot.
it reminds me of Greed Island of Hunter x Hunter.. best arc ever..
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Katie, there has not been a single filler. Nearly all of the "one shot" characters will be more important in the future, if they plan to go beyond volume 4.
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