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The only girls I know of that fall for/are infatuated with him (up until today's ep) are Asuna, Lisbeth, and Sugu (her full name eludes me at the moment). So i don't understand the complaint i guess. And please you know from watching the first couple episodes that standard anime/light novel cliche's were gonna happen.
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I have a question..
I'm going to start reading the light novels but what about the manga? Is it necessary to read the manga or is it just for visuals? Sort of confusing having two different formats. Thanks.
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I have a question..
I'm going to start reading the light novels but what about the manga? Is it necessary to read the manga or is it just for visuals? Sort of confusing having two different formats. Thanks.


In general I prefer reading the genbun, the original text. In this case with SAO it would be the web novels though the original author wrote the light novels too so I don't know if it matters as much here.

Unless I really enjoy the art I won't get the manga as well. When I have bought both in the past I usually just flip through the manga, not much point in reading it. Reading manga is a different experience, a different medium from novels where the scenery, the characters and the action must be described. Good writers describe it in a masterful fashion which is a pleasure to read in itself beyond the plot. Anime is a different medium and experience again.

I have read light novels based upon manga too and I prefer the original manga in that case. Anime with music and great action sequences can convey the work better than either written media but there are some where I prefer the written pages to the anime.

I have read manga based upon the anime too which can be fun but can also be worthless except as a collector. The extra material can be fun though, pictures of the characters out of character etc.

I assume you mean reading it in English. With translations you are never reading the genbun anyway so the manga is probably better as there is less to lose in translation with the setting and characters described by the artwork instead of text. But manga adaptations usually lag and translations lag even more so again going with the original work is usually the fastest.

Reading the Japanese yourself is the best. That way you are not reading someone else's interpretation.
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Wow, thank you for such a lengthy response :o
I really wish I could read Japanese to the point where it makes me almost want to take classes. What I'm taking away from your post is the light novels is the best as it is the original work . I may lose some information from translation but it is the risk I guess I have to take if I want to fill in the gaps from the anime as best I can. Again thank you.

I don't really read much manga (I'm mainly an anime person), but this is one of the few of shows in which I actually do want to read the source material. Ironically one of the other titles I have done this for is .Hack (which is similar to SAO) as I have read most novels/manga, played all the games, and seen all the animes. I guess this is one of my favorite genres as it combines almost a lot of my interests.
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naredo420 wrote:

I have a question..
I'm going to start reading the light novels but what about the manga? Is it necessary to read the manga or is it just for visuals? Sort of confusing having two different formats. Thanks.


In general I prefer reading the genbun, the original text. In this case with SAO it would be the web novels though the original author wrote the light novels too so I don't know if it matters as much here.

Unless I really enjoy the art I won't get the manga as well. When I have bought both in the past I usually just flip through the manga, not much point in reading it. Reading manga is a different experience, a different medium from novels where the scenery, the characters and the action must be described. Good writers describe it in a masterful fashion which is a pleasure to read in itself beyond the plot. Anime is a different medium and experience again.

I have read light novels based upon manga too and I prefer the original manga in that case. Anime with music and great action sequences can convey the work better than either written media but there are some where I prefer the written pages to the anime.

I have read manga based upon the anime too which can be fun but can also be worthless except as a collector. The extra material can be fun though, pictures of the characters out of character etc.

I assume you mean reading it in English. With translations you are never reading the genbun anyway so the manga is probably better as there is less to lose in translation with the setting and characters described by the artwork instead of text. But manga adaptations usually lag and translations lag even more so again going with the original work is usually the fastest.

Reading the Japanese yourself is the best. That way you are not reading someone else's interpretation.


In some cases I would agree with you, reading Japanese is always a good way to make sure you are not missing anything. However, there are quite a few really good interrupters out their. I'm not talking run of the mill fans either. I know quite a few people when I don't feel like reading Japanese that will translate it for me. However if you don't have friends that interpret languages for a living. Just learn Japanese. It is a whole lot better.

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naredo420 wrote:

Wow, thank you for such a lengthy response :o
I really wish I could read Japanese to the point where it makes me almost want to take classes. What I'm taking away from your post is the light novels is the best as it is the original work . I may lose some information from translation but it is the risk I guess I have to take if I want to fill in the gaps from the anime as best I can. Again thank you.

I don't really read much manga (I'm mainly an anime person), but this is one of the few of shows in which I actually do want to read the source material. Ironically one of the other titles I have done this for is .Hack (which is similar to SAO) as I have read most novels/manga, played all the games, and seen all the animes. I guess this is one of my favorite genres as it combines almost a lot of my interests.


You're welcome. For some of my favorite anime the original source material is actually visual novels which I have not played in most cases. It is an interesting genre overall where books, comics, shows and games mix so freely.

A manga was what first made me want to learn to read Japanese, Kishiro Yukito 's Ganmu because Viz' translation into Battle Angel Alita was so heavy handed.


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hpulley wrote:

naredo420 wrote:

I have a question..
I'm going to start reading the light novels but what about the manga? Is it necessary to read the manga or is it just for visuals? Sort of confusing having two different formats. Thanks.


In general I prefer reading the genbun, the original text. In this case with SAO it would be the web novels though the original author wrote the light novels too so I don't know if it matters as much here.

Unless I really enjoy the art I won't get the manga as well. When I have bought both in the past I usually just flip through the manga, not much point in reading it. Reading manga is a different experience, a different medium from novels where the scenery, the characters and the action must be described. Good writers describe it in a masterful fashion which is a pleasure to read in itself beyond the plot. Anime is a different medium and experience again.

I have read light novels based upon manga too and I prefer the original manga in that case. Anime with music and great action sequences can convey the work better than either written media but there are some where I prefer the written pages to the anime.

I have read manga based upon the anime too which can be fun but can also be worthless except as a collector. The extra material can be fun though, pictures of the characters out of character etc.

I assume you mean reading it in English. With translations you are never reading the genbun anyway so the manga is probably better as there is less to lose in translation with the setting and characters described by the artwork instead of text. But manga adaptations usually lag and translations lag even more so again going with the original work is usually the fastest.

Reading the Japanese yourself is the best. That way you are not reading someone else's interpretation.


In some cases I would agree with you, reading Japanese is always a good way to make sure you are not missing anything. However, there are quite a few really good interrupters out their. I'm not talking run of the mill fans either. I know quite a few people when I don't feel like reading Japanese that will translate it for me. However if you don't have friends that interpret languages for a living. Just learn Japanese. It is a whole lot better.



It depends on the work and the translator. Some professional translators go way overboard in changing names and even the story.

In this particular case of SAO I have read some of the available free translations and was not impressed. The soul of the original work was completely gone IMO. All that is written is the plot, with little feeling. Ok to find out what happens but not much more. Perhaps there are better ones around.
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Well for a start of a new arc I say its going smoothly. I do agree that the 1st arc felt quite rush in general but I prefer a short arc over an extremely long arc, but I was disappointing at the final boss scene big time cause it was less than a minute. Moving on to the positives of this episode, really love how Kirito is still suffering from the after affects such as the kendo scene. The introduction of his sis
gives us a new cast member that could shape up to be interesting and I don't mind insect at all. The plot twist introduce by Sugou wanting to marry Asuna is quite heart-breaking. Really looking forward this arc as long as it doesn't go crazy with the rushing plus the action scenes not being extremely short.
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korean1993 wrote: really if a person didnt read the LN and just watched the anime they might of dropped it cuz it skips alot and also cuz it was rushed.

As someone who didn't read the LN and just watched the anime ~ nope. The pace they went through the two years of the Death Game arc was compelling. By the third episode you could feel what a dramatic difference the being trapped in the game made, where it could have dragged on for half a season feeling an awful lot like any other VR game anime if they had put everything from the light novel in.

Really, the popularity among fans in the US tells how well it stands entirely independently of those who have read the LN, since only a tiny fraction of US fans of the anime will have read the light novels.
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Well for a start of a new arc I say its going smoothly. I do agree that the 1st arc felt quite rush in general but I prefer a short arc over an extremely long arc, but I was disappointing at the final boss scene big time cause it was less than a minute. Moving on to the positives of this episode, really love how Kirito is still suffering from the after affects such as the kendo scene. The introduction of his sis
gives us a new cast member that could shape up to be interesting and I don't mind insect at all. The plot twist introduce by Sugou wanting to marry Asuna is quite heart-breaking. Really looking forward this arc as long as it doesn't go crazy with the rushing plus the action scenes not being extremely short.


I also hope they don't go too crazy with the whole love...i'm not sure you can even call it a shape, But i'm hoping against all hope that it doesn't interfere in the plot too much. Or at least it is tastefully done. I was also hoping for another episode in the death game arc for the boss fight. That was a little disappointing and had be at a more 6.o wtf just happened type of feel at the end.
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This series reminds me of "The Matrix" but i was thinking when i first watched the series that nobody was dying some how a illusion to where its short amount of time in the real world but years in the game, who knows its virtual reality. but seeing kirito in the hospital kinda destroyed that theory.... so i can't wait for next saturday have a feeling that he's going back in after asuna from the opening.
(havent read manga)

In my opinion it's the best anime of summer 2012
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And this is why I have an appreciation for people like Peter Jackson who has the love of story and ability to call shots into how long a movie will be (RotK extended 4+ hours) and how long it needs to be stretched out for something to fully work out (The Hobbit, from two movies to three). I would love in someone in Japan just like Peter would get a hold of something like SAO and tell the whole story and not skip the parts that are still important, but never make it into the series anyway. We all know that it wouldn't happen, but I can dream right?
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And this is why I have an appreciation for people like Peter Jackson who has the love of story and ability to call shots into how long a movie will be (RotK extended 4+ hours) and how long it needs to be stretched out for something to fully work out (The Hobbit, from two movies to three). I would love in someone in Japan just like Peter would get a hold of something like SAO and tell the whole story and not skip the parts that are still important, but never make it into the series anyway. We all know that it wouldn't happen, but I can dream right?


i would call that a kinda bad comparison.. because im 100% sure that the extension of the hobbit from 2 movies to 3 movies was all about money.. i mean that book is shorter than any of the 3 books from the LotR series.. but i know what you mean : )
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NoBreyner wrote:

And this is why I have an appreciation for people like Peter Jackson who has the love of story and ability to call shots into how long a movie will be (RotK extended 4+ hours) and how long it needs to be stretched out for something to fully work out (The Hobbit, from two movies to three). I would love in someone in Japan just like Peter would get a hold of something like SAO and tell the whole story and not skip the parts that are still important, but never make it into the series anyway. We all know that it wouldn't happen, but I can dream right?


i would call that a kinda bad comparison.. because im 100% sure that the extension of the hobbit from 2 movies to 3 movies was all about money.. i mean that book is shorter than any of the 3 books from the LotR series.. but i know what you mean : )


It's always about the money, but still would like to see more than skim over the high points and call it a show. I love SAO and have never read the light novels, though that's probably going to change. I have the feeling if they did stretch out SAO they would have extended the first arc and never moved on to Alfenheim. And who knows if they're going to finish the series at all.
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Krakox wrote:


NoBreyner wrote:

And this is why I have an appreciation for people like Peter Jackson who has the love of story and ability to call shots into how long a movie will be (RotK extended 4+ hours) and how long it needs to be stretched out for something to fully work out (The Hobbit, from two movies to three). I would love in someone in Japan just like Peter would get a hold of something like SAO and tell the whole story and not skip the parts that are still important, but never make it into the series anyway. We all know that it wouldn't happen, but I can dream right?


i would call that a kinda bad comparison.. because im 100% sure that the extension of the hobbit from 2 movies to 3 movies was all about money.. i mean that book is shorter than any of the 3 books from the LotR series.. but i know what you mean : )


It's always about the money, but still would like to see more than skim over the high points and call it a show. I love SAO and have never read the light novels, though that's probably going to change. I have the feeling if they did stretch out SAO they would have extended the first arc and never moved on to Alfenheim. And who knows if they're going to finish the series at all.


its not like they could use that many more episodes on the SAO part considering the light novel.. and its hard getting everything to fit.. there are many passages in the anime which could have been extended a bit to show more feeling / battle scene.. but its all gotta fit in length and all for the episode and you dont wanna cut the episode at some weird point because the time is up.. well i think they did an honorable job, not as good as the light novel, but again thats a bit thing to compare it to
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