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They should have scraped the ALO arc, and not have rushed the SAO arc. Honestly, Episode 2 shows victory of floor 1, then by the end of the 3rd episode they are on floor 27. They had like 5 boss fights and 75 floors in just 14 episodes. Rather it should have been 100 floors, 10 boss fights and 25 episodes.
Not only that, but they didn't even clear all 100 floors. I mean, wat was the point of revealing that Heathcliff was the final boss, when they completely skipped the last 1/4 of the entire game. I really liked the SAO arc and I felt it was extremely rushed for nothing.
that's not really the point of SAO. it's not about the game, or clearing the floors. it's about the people who were trapped in the game. besides that, the story for the other floors isn't written yet.
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Sword Art Online is a meh show. I think the reason it is as popular as it is is that it is easy to get in to, has a like-able main character, and has no ecchi. Honestly, the show doesn't really do anything well. The books (Of which I have read all) are rather good but the show is over hyped and not as good as anyone says.
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I support the anime, buy the blu rays, buy the light novels, and just hope they make anime of the GGO arc, all I can do really, as I really love this anime.
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theYchromosomeYep, those are the only two possibilities, it seems like you do have an idea of what he's trying to say. But since you lack the ability to extract meaning from words unless they are needlessly verbose, I'll spell it out for you:
"If you put every aspect/detail towards plot on the back foot then you end up liking it." This is equivalent to saying "If you put the plot aside, then it's likable" which is almost verbatim to your post. So, by using logic, we have deduced that it is the first possibility, which is the possibility that you're in agreement with.
I believe the point ChronicSmile was trying to make is that the story is worth watching. As opposed to watching it and throwing out the story as being the only way to watch it. And if this is the correct interpretation then I agree. SAO's story is good and worth watching, imo.
"There is a scene where Kirito and Sugu are twirling in midair. Do you remember it? Question -- If, rather than Sugu, it was Asuna who were twirling with Kirito, how many interested viewers would feel an excitement, such that they would lose control of their fingers on the keyboard, or otherwise ejaculate on said keyboard?"
And how many would swear the anime was trash for it? There's two sides to that coin and neither are truly right. I personally like both Asuna and Sugu though I have different pairings I won't trash the entire anime for it. Which a lot of anti-SAO people have done in taking x-detail and making it a reason the entire anime sucks and should never be watched when thats not right.
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The light novel is a ton deal better. The original always wins I guess
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Compare a disc to a stream and you will see that the stream is heavily compressed.
The 1080p stream is ~550mb, the 720p is ~320mb. Both (according to their bitrates & resolution) are considered lossless under h.264. There really shouldn't be any difference. Bluray also uses h.264 for its compression so it's not like it's really different anyway. I use a 20" monitor that's at 1600x900 so I can really see when things are compressed and as far as I can tell, SAO (and all CR anime at 720p) doesn't suffer from many compression issues. I don't have a bluray player on my laptop, but i have things that are SEVERELY overpowered with the bitrate to prevent quality loss (bought them from Zune) and I don't see a difference when I run the same episodes through another compressor (at similar settings to CR anime) to make the filesize smaller. Occasionally I do it a bit wrong and some artifacts occur, but that's rare and I usually don't care cause it's something I've already bought and I'm keeping the smaller ones just to watch again later. Basically, you'd have to be looking for the compression and go frame by frame. Something that's high motion tho, that's a bit easier to spot. But most of the time, any source is going to have that problem because that's something that you have to overpower with the bitrate to make sure it stays "lossless"
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2Pain4 wrote:
The light novel is a ton deal better. The original always wins I guess
This^ Always read the genbun, the original text I say!
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hpulley wrote:
Compare a disc to a stream and you will see that the stream is heavily compressed.
The 1080p stream is ~550mb, the 720p is ~320mb. Both (according to their bitrates & resolution) are considered lossless under h.264. There really shouldn't be any difference. Bluray also uses h.264 for its compression so it's not like it's really different anyway. I use a 20" monitor that's at 1600x900 so I can really see when things are compressed and as far as I can tell, SAO (and all CR anime at 720p) doesn't suffer from many compression issues. I don't have a bluray player on my laptop, but i have things that are SEVERELY overpowered with the bitrate to prevent quality loss (bought them from Zune) and I don't see a difference when I run the same episodes through another compressor (at similar settings to CR anime) to make the filesize smaller. Occasionally I do it a bit wrong and some artifacts occur, but that's rare and I usually don't care cause it's something I've already bought and I'm keeping the smaller ones just to watch again later. Basically, you'd have to be looking for the compression and go frame by frame. Something that's high motion tho, that's a bit easier to spot. But most of the time, any source is going to have that problem because that's something that you have to overpower with the bitrate to make sure it stays "lossless"
I just know what I am seeing which is much better results on BD but perhaps it is not fair to compare a laptop with HDMI to an external BD player. Same TV and same HDMI cable. Though I must say regular DVDs look good from the laptop, though not as high resolution as BD obviously. Perhaps I need to troubleshoot my streaming setup, maybe driver issue. I really need a BD player for my laptop too...
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hpulley wrote:
2Pain4 wrote:
The light novel is a ton deal better. The original always wins I guess
This^ Always read the genbun, the original text I say!
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hpulley wrote:
Compare a disc to a stream and you will see that the stream is heavily compressed.
The 1080p stream is ~550mb, the 720p is ~320mb. Both (according to their bitrates & resolution) are considered lossless under h.264. There really shouldn't be any difference. Bluray also uses h.264 for its compression so it's not like it's really different anyway. I use a 20" monitor that's at 1600x900 so I can really see when things are compressed and as far as I can tell, SAO (and all CR anime at 720p) doesn't suffer from many compression issues. I don't have a bluray player on my laptop, but i have things that are SEVERELY overpowered with the bitrate to prevent quality loss (bought them from Zune) and I don't see a difference when I run the same episodes through another compressor (at similar settings to CR anime) to make the filesize smaller. Occasionally I do it a bit wrong and some artifacts occur, but that's rare and I usually don't care cause it's something I've already bought and I'm keeping the smaller ones just to watch again later. Basically, you'd have to be looking for the compression and go frame by frame. Something that's high motion tho, that's a bit easier to spot. But most of the time, any source is going to have that problem because that's something that you have to overpower with the bitrate to make sure it stays "lossless"
I just know what I am seeing which is much better results on BD but perhaps it is not fair to compare a laptop with HDMI to an external BD player. Same TV and same HDMI cable. Though I must say regular DVDs look good from the laptop, though not as high resolution as BD obviously. Perhaps I need to troubleshoot my streaming setup, maybe driver issue. I really need a BD player for my laptop too...
I have the Blu-Rays, and they, for me, are no different to the 1080p I get to my TV through my Boxee. So I just carry on using 1080p CR through Boxee.
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BearzYo wrote:
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hpulley wrote:
2Pain4 wrote:
The light novel is a ton deal better. The original always wins I guess
This^ Always read the genbun, the original text I say!
zHavoc wrote:
hpulley wrote:
Compare a disc to a stream and you will see that the stream is heavily compressed.
The 1080p stream is ~550mb, the 720p is ~320mb. Both (according to their bitrates & resolution) are considered lossless under h.264. There really shouldn't be any difference. Bluray also uses h.264 for its compression so it's not like it's really different anyway. I use a 20" monitor that's at 1600x900 so I can really see when things are compressed and as far as I can tell, SAO (and all CR anime at 720p) doesn't suffer from many compression issues. I don't have a bluray player on my laptop, but i have things that are SEVERELY overpowered with the bitrate to prevent quality loss (bought them from Zune) and I don't see a difference when I run the same episodes through another compressor (at similar settings to CR anime) to make the filesize smaller. Occasionally I do it a bit wrong and some artifacts occur, but that's rare and I usually don't care cause it's something I've already bought and I'm keeping the smaller ones just to watch again later. Basically, you'd have to be looking for the compression and go frame by frame. Something that's high motion tho, that's a bit easier to spot. But most of the time, any source is going to have that problem because that's something that you have to overpower with the bitrate to make sure it stays "lossless"
I just know what I am seeing which is much better results on BD but perhaps it is not fair to compare a laptop with HDMI to an external BD player. Same TV and same HDMI cable. Though I must say regular DVDs look good from the laptop, though not as high resolution as BD obviously. Perhaps I need to troubleshoot my streaming setup, maybe driver issue. I really need a BD player for my laptop too...
I have the Blu-Rays, and they, for me, are no different to the 1080p I get to my TV through my Boxee. So I just carry on using 1080p CR through Boxee.
Interesting, I didn't know any devices streamed 1080p.
Do you get Dolby Digital sound in the stream?
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I support the anime, buy the blu rays, buy the light novels, and just hope they make anime of the GGO arc, all I can do really, as I really love this anime.
I know the novels go on beyond the ALO arc, but what are the chances of another season?
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Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide theYchromosomeYep, those are the only two possibilities, it seems like you do have an idea of what he's trying to say. But since you lack the ability to extract meaning from words unless they are needlessly verbose, I'll spell it out for you:
"If you put every aspect/detail towards plot on the back foot then you end up liking it." This is equivalent to saying "If you put the plot aside, then it's likable" which is almost verbatim to your post. So, by using logic, we have deduced that it is the first possibility, which is the possibility that you're in agreement with.
I believe the point ChronicSmile was trying to make is that the story is worth watching. As opposed to watching it and throwing out the story as being the only way to watch it. And if this is the correct interpretation then I agree. SAO's story is good and worth watching, imo.
"There is a scene where Kirito and Sugu are twirling in midair. Do you remember it? Question -- If, rather than Sugu, it was Asuna who were twirling with Kirito, how many interested viewers would feel an excitement, such that they would lose control of their fingers on the keyboard, or otherwise ejaculate on said keyboard?"
And how many would swear the anime was trash for it? There's two sides to that coin and neither are truly right. I personally like both Asuna and Sugu though I have different pairings I won't trash the entire anime for it. Which a lot of anti-SAO people have done in taking x-detail and making it a reason the entire anime sucks and should never be watched when thats not right.
I agree with nearly everything you said. I have no have no issues with saying the story is worth watching. There are a lot of plot points that I found laughably cliche, and a lot of points that I quite liked. I also recognize that different people like different elements of a story, and that there are also plot points that I enjoy that are definitely cliche. Cool, no worries. What I do have a problem with, was the fact that she disregarded the content of AnimeKami's post because it was "poorly worded." She was saying things like "I don't even know what you're trying to say" and "I can't even really tell if" and "it seems silly." I felt it was pretty easy to understand what he was trying to say, so I decided to "translate" his post for her.
I don't agree with everything Kami said, but I also don't think he said anything directly invalid either. The only way I can think to describe my feelings toward ChronicSmile's post is "this sounds like BS." She was making things up and skipping logic, while making conclusions that were miles away from accuracy. I wasn't defending his post so much as breaking down hers.
"There is a scene where Kirito and Sugu are twirling in midair. Do you remember it? Question -- If, rather than Sugu, it was Asuna who were twirling with Kirito, how many interested viewers would feel an excitement, such that they would lose control of their fingers on the keyboard, or otherwise ejaculate on said keyboard?"
Those aren't technically my words. That was my "translation" of Kami's original statement. I didn't care much for the scene, but I agree with you -- it's not like the show is terrible because of it. But if you read Kami's post, he wasn't saying the anime was trash at all, merely that there are certain points of the story that don't advance the plot, but are rather meant to excite fans -- he thought that particular scene was one of them. His ENTIRE POINT was that despite the things he didn't like, the show was still good. He didn't talk like the show was trash, and in fact, it seemed like he was defending the show. But again, I never said that I agree or disagree with him. MY ONLY MOTIVE in that post was to convince her that the ideas and arguments presented in a post are more important than how "well" they are worded. I felt like she was insulting the poster on a basis that didn't make any sense. She was attacking the wording rather than the argument. Rather, I should say that when she was attacking the argument, she took the liberty of making up Kami's argument for him, instead of attacking the argument he actually made. She didn't really seem like she was trying understand his post; that's all I was trying to get across.
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BearzYo wrote:
I support the anime, buy the blu rays, buy the light novels, and just hope they make anime of the GGO arc, all I can do really, as I really love this anime.
I know the novels go on beyond the ALO arc, but what are the chances of another season?
If there is enough a fan base to properly support it and proper funding etc etc
Pretty high in my opinion atm
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Anyway, to answer someone's question from earlier (cause I was also wanting to know) the calendar has been updated and episode 24 is airing in 3 days. They probably had to encode it or get everything that's scheduled ready or something. Good news is, the world isn't going to end on the 21st (at least not for us CR premium subscribers)
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Anyway, to answer someone's question from earlier (cause I was also wanting to know) the calendar has been updated and episode 24 is airing in 3 days. They probably had to encode it or get everything that's scheduled ready or something. Good news is, the world isn't going to end on the 21st (at least not for us CR premium subscribers)
Yep- finally updated yay even thoguh Im 2 chapters pass it lol
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Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide theYchromosomeYep, those are the only two possibilities, it seems like you do have an idea of what he's trying to say. But since you lack the ability to extract meaning from words unless they are needlessly verbose, I'll spell it out for you:
"If you put every aspect/detail towards plot on the back foot then you end up liking it." This is equivalent to saying "If you put the plot aside, then it's likable" which is almost verbatim to your post. So, by using logic, we have deduced that it is the first possibility, which is the possibility that you're in agreement with.
I believe the point ChronicSmile was trying to make is that the story is worth watching. As opposed to watching it and throwing out the story as being the only way to watch it. And if this is the correct interpretation then I agree. SAO's story is good and worth watching, imo.
"There is a scene where Kirito and Sugu are twirling in midair. Do you remember it? Question -- If, rather than Sugu, it was Asuna who were twirling with Kirito, how many interested viewers would feel an excitement, such that they would lose control of their fingers on the keyboard, or otherwise ejaculate on said keyboard?"
And how many would swear the anime was trash for it? There's two sides to that coin and neither are truly right. I personally like both Asuna and Sugu though I have different pairings I won't trash the entire anime for it. Which a lot of anti-SAO people have done in taking x-detail and making it a reason the entire anime sucks and should never be watched when thats not right.
I agree with nearly everything you said. I have no have no issues with saying the story is worth watching. There are a lot of plot points that I found laughably cliche, and a lot of points that I quite liked. I also recognize that different people like different elements of a story, and that there are also plot points that I enjoy that are definitely cliche. Cool, no worries. What I do have a problem with, was the fact that she disregarded the content of AnimeKami's post because it was "poorly worded." She was saying things like "I don't even know what you're trying to say" and "I can't even really tell if" and "it seems silly." I felt it was pretty easy to understand what he was trying to say, so I decided to "translate" his post for her.
I don't agree with everything Kami said, but I also don't think he said anything directly invalid either. The only way I can think to describe my feelings toward ChronicSmile's post is "this sounds like BS." She was making things up and skipping logic, while making conclusions that were miles away from accuracy. I wasn't defending his post so much as breaking down hers.
I was just trying to clear up what I assumed ChronicSmile meant and I will admit that it is a bit hard to understand some of Kami'spost but I guess that just depends on person reading.
Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide "There is a scene where Kirito and Sugu are twirling in midair. Do you remember it? Question -- If, rather than Sugu, it was Asuna who were twirling with Kirito, how many interested viewers would feel an excitement, such that they would lose control of their fingers on the keyboard, or otherwise ejaculate on said keyboard?"
Those aren't technically my words. That was my "translation" of Kami's original statement. I didn't care much for the scene, but I agree with you -- it's not like the show is terrible because of it. But if you read Kami's post, he wasn't saying the anime was trash at all, merely that there are certain points of the story that don't advance the plot, but are rather meant to excite fans -- he thought that particular scene was one of them. His ENTIRE POINT was that despite the things he didn't like, the show was still good. He didn't talk like the show was trash, and in fact, it seemed like he was defending the show. But again, I never said that I agree or disagree with him. MY ONLY MOTIVE in that post was to convince her that the ideas and arguments presented in a post are more important than how "well" they are worded. I felt like she was insulting the poster on a basis that didn't make any sense. She was attacking the wording rather than the argument. Rather, I should say that when she was attacking the argument, she took the liberty of making up Kami's argument for him, instead of attacking the argument he actually made. She didn't really seem like she was trying understand his post; that's all I was trying to get across.
I read them as a translation and was primarily responding to them in that context. The second part of my response wasn't really directed at Kami specifically but more the general 'critics' of any anime. Both of my responses here should not be taken as aggressive but more of a clarification.
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