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To be fair to Crunchyroll, they're always going to struggle to get the "Darker than Black" type shows, simply because they're the easiest to sell to a TV network and a teen/young male demographic.

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Avenz255 wrote:
Well I rather have quality over quantity. They should go after the shows that has the most potential in recruiting more subscribers because more revenue = more money to be put into acquiring popular shows or hiring staff/developers for some insane projects in the future.

That could be recipe of disaster if CR spent more on acquiring those licenses than they could recover in revenue. No doubt you've noticed that money doesn't always follow quality. If it did, we would be awash in quality programming.




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It is embarrassing when pirate sites can stream better than a corporation with an IT department...

To be fair, few if any pirate websites stream a single video themselves. Instead, they depend on free video hosting sites to do that. From the reports I have seen, the Funimation streams that use Hulu embeds work without problem.

I've been able to get the Funimation streams to work with decent reliability in my browser, but it certainly wasn't a "it just works" experience.

IMO, the best way to view Funimation content right now is the Roku. Unlike the website, if a stream does disconnect, you can resume from where it happened, whereas on the website, I always had to start the video over and find where I was at again. The only hit on the Roku is that the bitrate for their Roku 720p stream appears to a bit lower than on their website.
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Anyone care to take a guess on todays announcement?
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I think the problem is with Funimation's region detect, IP mapping as the elite sample videos all work great. Their ad videos stream fine. It is the actual shows that don't work! Argh! Pirates don't worry about regional licensing garbage so their lives are much simpler.

Today Funimation won't play at all, black...

Perhaps I will try the Android app...
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i have no prb with fuminmations streaming thing and i puy for both here and their roku channel if anime network had one i would pay for that too

only thing i dont like about there simulcast is are edited too and you dont get to see it unedited till a dub version is realeased for most shows
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icecreamsnow wrote:

Anyone care to take a guess on todays announcement?

Since it would literally be a guess, I'll only go so far as to wager it will be a series that has already premiered in Japan. While there are a few still remaining (notably the new Seitokai no Ichizon), I don't think that is what it will be.

Speaking of Seitokai no Ichizon, I just noticed Fansub Wiki already has it marked as licensed by Crunchryoll (and not "Crunchyroll?", as is typically used with titles they believe are likely to be licensed by CR). I suspect someone is just overly optimistic and jumped the gun.


I am hoping either today's announcement is a big one, like Little Busters!. I can only imagine the complaints if today's announcement were something like Chiisana Ojisan.

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icecreamsnow wrote:

Anyone care to take a guess on todays announcement?


Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo...based on no previous experience at predicting these things lol
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LordBaka wrote:

i have no prb with fuminmations streaming thing and i puy for both here and their roku channel if anime network had one i would pay for that too

only thing i dont like about there simulcast is are edited too and you dont get to see it unedited till a dub version is realeased for most shows


What do you mean by edited?

Show announcement guesses? I hope for Little Busters today and Sukitte tomorrow.
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Avenz255 wrote:
Well I rather have quality over quantity. They should go after the shows that has the most potential in recruiting more subscribers because more revenue = more money to be put into acquiring popular shows or hiring staff/developers for some insane projects in the future.

That could be recipe of disaster if CR spent more on acquiring those licenses than they could recover in revenue. No doubt you've noticed that money doesn't always follow quality. If it did, we would be awash in quality programming.


Shouldn't 100,000 paid subscribers give you some serious clout, Crunchy?!?! Do you need to get into the distribution business to secure titles for streaming, now?


There is little doubt that a home video license can still result in more money for a licensor. Even if Funimation and CR bid the same amount for a show, Funimation can dangle the "If the streaming numbers are good enough, we'll license it for home video" carrot.

At present, I expect it is difficult for CR alone to outbid Funimation for a show, unless Funimation really doesn't want it that badly, unless CR has a preferred relationship (as with TV Tokyo).


I'm not asking CR to go under (in the red) in acquiring popular shows, because either way the popular shows are gonna be licensed for DVDs/BDs. For example, CR acquired SAO for streaming but Aniplex will have the exclusive right to produce the DVDs/BDs. Even if KyoAni created a crappy (like 3/10) show, it will get released in DVDs/BDs because of the "KyoAni" name alone.
Also don't animation companies generate their revenue from mainly merchandise and DVDs/BDs sales?
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hpulley wrote:


LordBaka wrote:

i have no prb with fuminmations streaming thing and i puy for both here and their roku channel if anime network had one i would pay for that too

only thing i dont like about there simulcast is are edited too and you dont get to see it unedited till a dub version is realeased for most shows


What do you mean by edited?

Show announcement guesses? I hope for Little Busters today and Sukitte tomorrow.


there a few shows on it that you watch the sub version they are edited you go to the dub ones and there is no edited nudity all there

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Avenz255 wrote:
Also don't animation companies generate their revenue from mainly merchandise and DVDs/BDs sales?

They do, but that doesn't prevent them from sometimes overvaluing the streaming rights for a series. Some companies also see streaming as potentially reducing that revenue (despite the fact that if they don't, many people will simply pirate it).




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there a few shows on it that you watch the sub version they are edited you go to the dub ones and there is no edited nudity all there


That typically happens with shows Funimation originally acquired as a simulcast. The Anime Network is also "guilty" of the same thing. If for example, one watches the subbed version of HOTD or Hyakka Ryouran Samurai Girls at TAN, you get the censored version, even if you are a subscriber, while the dubbed version is uncensored.

One of the few exceptions I know of is that Funimation did bother to go back and make an uncensored subtitled version of Freezing available, but only for subscribers. That illustrates why these sites probably don't typically go back and update the subtitled versions; they don't want to provide uncensored versions for free viewing, and they don't want to have to create a third version of each episode.

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icecreamsnow wrote: Shame. Means that fansubbers will be busy, supporting the non-US world.

It would be nice if Viki could pick up some of those for non-US distribution, so that the fansubbers can work on a legit release that will generate royalties for the original creators of the anime.


Baax wrote: I don't understand why TAN is getting these exclusives from Sentai. Are they shelling out giant cash-wads in order to force some actual traffic to their site?

TAN is going to generate more royalty income from their video on demand cable channel than TAN or Crunchyroll is going to generate from streaming the same series. So if TAN decides they want four exclusive digital and broadcast rights, Sentai will be able to get that for them.

However, there is a limit to how many episodes they can have up at the same time on the Video on Demand, so if those contracts specify deadlines for getting the episodes into the Video on Demand mix, that can only be used to acquire a limited number of simulcast exclusives. Indeed, that may be why it looks like they have a package deal for three, and a separate deal for a fourth: the package deal would give them flexibility, as they see the demographics from the streaming to decide which series to put up early as subtitled episodes, and which ones that they can cooperate with Section23 (the home video arm of neo-ADV) on funding a dub to be able to put up dubbed episodes.


LordBaka wrote: there a few shows on it that you watch the sub version they are edited you go to the dub ones and there is no edited nudity all there

That's normally called "censored".

Its not sub versus dub, its simulcast versus home video release.

What international simulcast streaming gets for streaming is a for-broadcast cut, and for ecchi shows, to boost subscriptions to the subscription satellite channels and sales of the home video in Japan, the free to air cuts have censoring of the more "naughty" bits.

International home video releases get the uncensored cut, of course, just like Japanese home video releases (though permission to release a Japan-compatible North American Blu Ray is normally delayed by a year or more).

So when a dub is done for the home video release, it will look like "the dub that gets the uncensored cut" ... but its not really about the dub, its about the much larger royalties that an international home video release gives per episode. If an international distributor does a sub-only release for home video release, that will also get the uncensored cut.


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LordBaka wrote:
there a few shows on it that you watch the sub version they are edited you go to the dub ones and there is no edited nudity all there

That typically happens with shows Funimation originally acquired as a simulcast. The Anime Network is also "guilty" of the same thing. If for example, one watches the subbed version of HOTD or Hyakka Ryouran Samurai Girls at TAN, you get the censored version, even if you are a subscriber, while the dubbed version is uncensored.

One of the few exceptions I know of is that Funimation did bother to go back and make an uncensored subtitled version of Freezing available, but only for subscribers. That illustrates why these sites probably don't typically go back and update the subtitled versions; they don't want to provide uncensored versions for free viewing, and they don't want to have to create a third version of each episode.

Exactly. The dubbed version is a new master, done at the time that they are preparing the home video release. They make the dub available to subscribing members earlier than they put it out for free streaming, and they cut off free streaming of dubbed episodes much quicker than subtitled episodes.

And that is obviously good enough for both those who prefer dubs and for those who don't care very much either way.

Also, a large number of those who insist on both subs and uncensored cuts will have already seen a bootleg release, while its impossible to bootleg the dub until after they have released it, so they can be sure that their Elite subscriber "early view" of the dub for their subscribing members will really be the first chance that dub viewers have to watch the dub.

However, even though their service is tilted to attracting dub fans, and even though the appeal of uncensored subs is watered down by people watching bootlegs, if their Elite subscription base grows large enough, I expect that sooner or later we'll see release of a subscriber-only uncensored sub become one of the standard perks for subscribers.
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IMO, the best way to view Funimation content right now is the Roku. Unlike the website, if a stream does disconnect, you can resume from where it happened, whereas on the website, I always had to start the video over and find where I was at again. The only hit on the Roku is that the bitrate for their Roku 720p stream appears to a bit lower than on their website.


And the inability to add an entire series to your queue.


Avenz255 wrote:

I'm not asking CR to go under (in the red) in acquiring popular shows, because either way the popular shows are gonna be licensed for DVDs/BDs. For example, CR acquired SAO for streaming but Aniplex will have the exclusive right to produce the DVDs/BDs. Even if KyoAni created a crappy (like 3/10) show, it will get released in DVDs/BDs because of the "KyoAni" name alone.


That's exactly why it'd be a mistake for Crunchy to try and outbid FUNI on top tier shows -- I'd much rather they spend money on stuff like Hanasaku Iroha and Chihayafuru which may never be released in the US otherwise (in some cases, may not even get fansubbed) than to blow money on shows that will be released one way or another.
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And the inability to add an entire series to your queue.

That, plus the fact the queue only shows something like 30 episodes, even though you can add more. Worse, it shows the latest ones added, meaning if you added 51 episodes from a longer series, you wouldn't even see the first episode when you viewed your queue.

Their queue system for the Roku could definitely use some work.

I suspect their queue is a drop-in module from the company that developed the app for them, which previously seems to have handled movie and sports apps, which would explain the lack of series orientation.

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