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Posted 10/20/12

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So it gets better after the first ep?



Better is relative I suppose. It still seems to lack much of a purpose other than the harem humor but it is funny...

By comparison Nakaimo had an actual plot.


Duly noted, I will try the first 2-3 eps of ONIAI with all of this in mind then, thanks
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Posted 10/21/12

Rito2Ru wrote:


hpulley wrote:


Rito2Ru wrote:


So it gets better after the first ep?



Better is relative I suppose. It still seems to lack much of a purpose other than the harem humor but it is funny...

By comparison Nakaimo had an actual plot.


Duly noted, I will try the first 2-3 eps of ONIAI with all of this in mind then, thanks


Seems the Japanese who took this poll agreed with my original decision to drop it. OniAi was second only to To Love Ru Darkness in the anime dropped after one episode. Ebiten was next, not ecchi fans obviously!

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/10/20/japanese-fans-name-the-fall-anime-that-they-dropped-after-one-episode
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Yeah, I was about to post that link. I'd definitely agree that Love Ru Darkness and OniAi were the poorest first episodes. Love Ru Darkness because it's a harem show where none of the girls have any personality, and OniAi was just threadbare.

Surprised that K was at #4, didn't think the episode was that great.

Very surprised to see Gintama at #7 and Little Busters at #8
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I don't understand how a production committee could sign off the $1-2 million needed to make OniAi. The central premise of a sister who wants to sleep with her brother could genuinely be interesting, but she's so blunt and direct, and the writing lacks any kind of guile or subtlety. So most of the dialogue consists of her trying to get him to sleep with her and him turning her down.

On top of this, despite the brother having no friends and being pretty useless, the three other members of the Student Council (a bunch of dsyfunctional characters who aren't endearing or likeable) are also in love with him.

It's a weak idea, streched very thinly. So I'm genuinely surprised that Funimation picked it up - Oreimo didn't get a dub and it was 10 times the quality of this show.
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Posted 10/21/12

icecreamsnow wrote:

Yeah, I was about to post that link. I'd definitely agree that Love Ru Darkness and OniAi were the poorest first episodes. Love Ru Darkness because it's a harem show where none of the girls have any personality, and OniAi was just threadbare.

Surprised that K was at #4, didn't think the episode was that great.

Very surprised to see Gintama at #7 and Little Busters at #8


The only reason why the Japs drop this show is because of the censorship, which the 2 earlier installments did not abuse. If the Japs did care about the plot in the first place, this show wouldn't even reach a 3rd season.
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Posted 10/21/12 , edited 10/21/12
Most people are saying that the older otaku are waiting for uncensored BDs of To Love Ru Trouble Darkness but I am not so sure as Dakara Boku Wa seems to have totally bombed in BD sales and it has Lisara running around topless most of the time. Maybe they all get AT-X and already saw her boobs? I loved the show so I am sad as the poor sales may doom its second season but Medaka Box did poorly and yet it got a second season so I am not sure there is much reason to second seasons in this biz. Ah well, I love the H ga dekinai light novels so I can imagine all I want... and there is manga now too but it is well behind the anime so far.
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Posted 10/21/12 , edited 10/21/12

RyanSaotome wrote:

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icecreamsnow wrote: Having just watched the first episode of OniAi, I'm stunned that Funimation wanted the rights to this- how on earth are they going to sell/dub this ?!?!?

Who's it from? D'ya reackon it was a package deal to get a series that they figured would do well enough to cover a loss on OniAi?

I don't see why OniAi would be a loss. Its an ecchi harem show, those sell in America.

It was icecreamsnow who reckoned it would be hard to sell in North America.

OTOH most of FUNimation's sales nowadays are going to be on Amazon and Rightstuf, and so their anime box sets are going to arrive on the front step in innocuous brown cardboard boxes.

Its like they figure 50 Shades of Gray only sold so well because so many people have ereaders, and nobody can see what book you are reading on a Kindle or a Nook.


hpulley wrote: ... I loved the show so I am sad as the poor sales may doom its second season but Medaka Box did poorly and yet it got a second season so I am not sure there is much reason to second seasons in this biz. ...

Well, it normally because the first series made money for somebody ... but its not always because it made money for the home video distributor. If its a light novel or manga, it can also be because it sold a lot of extra books or tankoubon (probably why Chihaya Furu got a second series), and I guess its always possible that it sold a bucketload of licensed pencil boards and notebook covers.

If the BD/DVD distributor says, "it only sold this much, we can't put in as much for the budget of a sequel", but the publisher or merch licensor says, "that's OK, we can make up the difference", the sequel can still get the green light. As long as it can get its budget together somehow. For instance, Maria-sama ga Miteru had mediocre ratings and sales, and after their second season they dropped down to an OVA ... but then Pizza Hut did a tie-in deal, with Pizza Hut featured in the series, and so they get a third season on broadcast TV.

Including the shot that looks like some salaryman thinking "if I pretend to be fascinated by this Pizza Hut billboard, maybe the high school girls won't notice that I'm eavesdropping on them".

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Posted 10/21/12 , edited 10/21/12

agila61 wrote:


RyanSaotome wrote:


agila61 wrote:


icecreamsnow wrote: Having just watched the first episode of OniAi, I'm stunned that Funimation wanted the rights to this- how on earth are they going to sell/dub this ?!?!?

Who's it from? D'ya reackon it was a package deal to get a series that they figured would do well enough to cover a loss on OniAi?


I don't see why OniAi would be a loss. Its an ecchi harem show, those sell in America.

It was icecreamsnow who reckoned it would be hard to sell in North America.

OTOH most of FUNimation's sales nowadays are going to be on Amazon and Rightstuf, and so their anime box sets are going to arrive on the front step in innocuous brown cardboard boxes.

Its like they figure 50 Shades of Gray only sold so well because so many people have ereaders, and nobody can see what book you are reading on a Kindle or a Nook.


This is a reason why novels are better than manga: I can read Dakara Boku wa H ga dekinai or Campione! in public and no one can read the Japanese but Nozoki Ana manga is dangerous to read in public with the um, artwork; I have to bring some really large bookmarks with me. Still not sure how they're going to make that into anime that isn't a twenty minute long light beam.

i am a good example of anime driving light novel and manga sales. I often buy the boxed set of series I like. BD prices are too high for me though, one BD costs as much as ten volumes of the LN/manga! I would love to buy the BD but at ¥5000 per disc and 6-7 discs for a one cour series it is serious cash to buy them all. Probably explains why 10000 BD sold is considered good while popular manga and LN sell much higher volumes into 500000 or even a million copies.
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Posted 10/21/12 , edited 10/21/12

icecreamsnow wrote: I don't understand how a production committee could sign off the $1-2 million needed to make OniAi. The central premise of a sister who wants to sleep with her brother could genuinely be interesting, ...

More to the point, the central premise has been associated with anime that have sold enough to cover their costs with a profit.

Commercial entertainment normally goes back to the same well, again and again, so long as it keeps paying the bills, until a failure to make money tells them that they are overdoing it.

As far as taste, or depth of plot, or whatever ... sure, if it sells, they'll be willing to do that too.

One thing they can't do is to make their decision based on how well the anime production executes with the material available, since they have to come up with the budget up front, and then after the fact they get to see how well or poorly the original vision was executed.
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Posted 10/21/12

agila61 wrote:

It was icecreamsnow who reckoned it would be hard to sell in North America.



I just struggle to see who is going to want to buy it. It's not really an ecchi show - in the first two episodes nothing was censored, as nothing needed to be censored. Whilst the sister wants to sleep with the brother, he's having none of it, and at this rate it looks like they'll flog a dead horse for 10 more episodes.

Maybe it marks a shift in Funimation policy? Maybe they'll license just to simulcast and only release if they get a good response?

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icecreamsnow wrote: Maybe it marks a shift in Funimation policy? Maybe they'll license just to simulcast and only release if they get a good response?

That's what they were trying with the Funico deal that seems to have fallen apart, so it wouldn't be surprising.

The announcement I see on Funimation.com only mentions streaming, and the ANN encyclopedia only lists Funimation as streaming the series.
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I know this sounds crazy but I'm spazzing over excitement at this list!!
I read Code: Breaker and Kamisama Hajimemashita manga last year but I didn't know it will be an anime!! I'm so freaking excited!! What's next? Another season of Umineko??
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Now we know when the last two episodes of Eureka Seven:AO will air. Late night November 19th(really November 20th Japanese time).
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-23/eureka-seven-ao-last-episodes-slated-for-november-19

I wonder how late Funimation will stream those episodes. A week? Two weeks?
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Posted 10/24/12
Now that the announcement season is over, it is time to look back over the regional distribution of this season's pick-ups.

(1) I put the access by subscribers as a percentage of US/Canada, followed by free access in parentheses.
(2) I count "shorts" and the one-episode-per-season series as "0.1".
(3) These are based on my interpretation of the announcements, which might not be exact, its not taken directly from the regional access database, so I welcome any corrections and give apologies in advance for any errors.

New Series: Total new simulcasts 13.4 (13 regular series, 3 shorts, 1 single episode/season)

100% (100%) R1: US/Canada
85% (85%) R4: Australia / New Zealand
78% (78%) R2: UK / Eire, South Africa
63% (63%) R2: Scandinavia, Finland, the Netherlands
60% (60%) R2: Iceland
48% (40%) R4: Brazil
40% (33%) R4: Spanish America and the Caribbean
23% (31%) R2: Portugal
23% (16%) R2: Middle East, Europe excluding Northern Europe, Spanish and French.
16% (9%) R2: Spain
16% (8%) R2: French, R5: Africa, excluding South Africa & Egypt
8% (1%) R3 & R5: Asia excluding Japan

This season was a step back in regional availability ~ just as last Fall was. There seems to be something about Fall, with the highest profile series traditionally premiering, that makes broader licensing harder.

About half of current simulcasts are continuing series, and with better successes in obtaining broader rights for longer running series, that makes the overall picture look a little bit better for Latin America, Portugal and the Middle East, a little bit worse for some Northern European countries:

Simulcast series: Total simulcasts 25.6 (25 regular series, 5 shorts, 1 single episode/season)

100% (100%) R1: US/Canada
88% (88%) R4: Australia / New Zealand
84% (84%) R2: UK / Eire
79% (79%) R2: South Africa
63% (63%) R2: Scandinavia, Finland
59% (59%) R2: The Netherlands
59% (43%) R4: Brazil
55% (39%) R4: Spanish America and the Caribbean
50% (46%) R2: Iceland
38% (22%) R2: Middle East
34% (17%) R2: Portugal, Europe excluding Northern Europe, Spanish and French, R5: Africa, excluding South Africa.
30% (13%) R2: Spain, French
26% (9%) R3 & R5: Asia excluding Japan
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Only a few of series are available for south america, it's a bit dissapointing...
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