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Only a few of series are available for south america, it's a bit dissapointing...


As you can see, it could be worse ~ you could live in Spain or, even worse, Singapore. South America basically gets half of the Simulcasts, Brasil a few more.

Crunchyroll needs more South American members to get more South American rights, which is why they started Spanish and Portuguese subtitles.
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Gaku_Kano wrote:

Only a few of series are available for south america, it's a bit dissapointing...


As you can see, it could be worse ~ you could live in Spain or, even worse, Singapore. South America basically gets half of the Simulcasts, Brasil a few more.

Crunchyroll needs more South American members to get more South American rights, which is why they started Spanish and Portuguese subtitles.


i know, i know, it could be worse, but most of the series that I wanted aren't available for my region (only HnG Can't Take My Eyes Off You). Anyway, i will continue supporting CR.
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Gaku_Kano wrote: i know, i know, it could be worse, but most of the series that I wanted aren't available for my region (only HnG Can't Take My Eyes Off You). Anyway, i will continue supporting CR.

Yes, when half of the series are missing, its really random whether the series of a particular type are well represented or largely missing.

For instance, while four out of the five series I am following weekly are available in Latin America, someone who likes the kind of series that Sentai licenses would be hit hard, because Sentai did not pick up Latin American rights for a single series, so none of the series Crunchyroll sub-licensed from Sentai are available in Latin America.

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The availability is pretty good. Score one more for Latin America!(could be one reason why this one was so late)


Say "I Love You" will be available to audiences in the following territories: USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Netherlands, Scandinavia, and Latin America.


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I assume they took so long to be able to get the license for more countries. If it is so, it makes me happy. But 3 weeks late is a bit crazy. It's like almost every anime this season was either:

1- Forgotten/Ignored. The case with LB! and Jojo.
Latest. The case with Magi or Shin Sekai Yori and well, Say I love You.
3- Barely available to other countries(most shitty animes were available better worldwide than the good ones, like Bottom Bitting Bug and Teekyuu were available for SA but not Magi or Btooom!).

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leokiko123 wrote: I assume they took so long to be able to get the license for more countries. If it is so, it makes me happy. But 3 weeks late is a bit crazy.

Or some home video distributor expressed an interest, but then ended up passing. Or the production committee could not decide who ought to get international distribution rights. Or the original creator on the production committee was reluctant to allow it to be simulcast.

No telling what the delay was.


It's like almost every anime this season was either:

1- Forgotten/Ignored. The case with LB! and Jojo.

Since Crunchyroll bids for everything, every season, "forgotten/ignored" is something we can rule out.

Unavailable is more likely. Those are the two series this season that have Warner Brothers Japan in their production credits. WB Japan have been involved in series that have been simulcast overseas, but they might have decided that the extra $1,000-$2,000 an episode MG is not worth it, and either refused, or else demanded a higher MG than Crunchyroll can afford to guarantee.

Or one or more home video distributors may be in negotiation, which would lock Crunchyroll out until either a license is signed and they can ask to sublicense it, or else the series is passed on and they can negotiated for the streaming rights.


2~7+ day latecast. The case with Magi or Shin Sekai Yori and well, Say I love You.

Just because its after the pirates get the raw from the Tokyo broadcast doesn't make it a latecast ~ if it streams on Crunchyroll before some city in Japan gets a free to air broadcast, that's a simulcast.


3- Barely available to other countries(most shitty animes were available better worldwide than the good ones, like Bottom Bitting Bug and Teekyuu were available for SA but not Magi or Btooom!).

We have different tastes there ... I dropped Magi before the first episode was finished, but I'm loving From a New World, and I'm still loving Sword Art Online, Polar Bear Cafe and Space Brothers.

Of course, just the day after I post the regional breakdowns, they announce their last pick up for the season. I should have posted the regional breakdowns Wednesday last week, and then maybe this would have been announced Thursday last week.
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^I was just venting my frustrations on this season's CR lineup(even for NA/Canada it wasn't good, with CR losing competition on the noitaminA shows and JOJO/LB!), so I've said a lot of wrong stuff as you pointed out.

I'm watching only 2 shows from this season, and 2 from the last(SAO, Uchuu Kyoudai) so it's enough for me. This season is the best of 2012 so far so it's a shame that CR dropped the ball. Hope that doesn't keep happening.

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llamaben wrote:

Unless Sentai somehow convinced TBS to stream the series on time, the TAN announcements are no big loss.

On a side note, are they still using yellow subs? If they are it's amazing that they haven't realized how horrendous their subs look after so long...


They are. Its the main reason I avoid TAN at all possible... its eyecancer.


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Is it just me, or is the CR slate looking much smaller than the Summer season? Like 10 fewer shows... Is it just that there are fewer Fall series than Summer, or is it that other players are stepping up their game?


There are more overall shows this Fall than Summer, so I guess its a combination of others being more aggressive and Crunchy not being willing to pay the license fees for many.


TT____TT Aww man, you guys always have your little conspiracies.

If only know you knew ~ !!! TT_______________TT ;
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^I was just venting my frustrations on this season's CR lineup(even for NA/Canada it wasn't good, with CR losing competition on the noitaminA shows and JOJO/LB!), ...

I do want to stress that when I say people with different tastes will have different reaction, I'm not saying my tastes are better than anybody else's. It can swing either way: in 2010 when they were getting all the Kadokawa titles, I was happy they had good regional distributions to Latin America, Africa and the Middle East ... but I didn't really want to watch many of them. Tastes vary, which is why its good that Crunchyroll tries to get everything it can.

Crunchyroll has never been in competition for series that the home video distributors are negotiating for. They get to choose from either the series that the home video distributors pass on, or else they get to sublicense from some (but not all) of the home video distributors once they have completed a license.

I starting to think more and more that JoJo/LB! is a package deal from WB Japan, and there are two (or more) home video distributors in negotiation for the package.

Negotiations for home video rights are not like an arts auction, where you have a few moments to decide on your bid. If FUNimation gives their offer for the package, and WB Japan asks Sentai if they can beat it, it would be perfectly reasonable for Sentai to say, "give us two weeks to see what we can put together". And visa versa. And it could be FUNimation, Viz media and Sentai all in the hunt for the package.

And everybody is legally bound by Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDA) to not say that they are engaged in negotiations for a title and not to say who else might be in negotiations for a title ... which is why the only clear answer you get from somebody is when they are not in the running, so they are not bound by the NDA.

All Crunchyroll can do is to send out an offer sheet, saying, "hey, if you were to happen to pick up these two series, we would offer this minimum guarantee for streaming rights, and these incremental MG's for these areas outside of North America". A licensor willing to sublicense to Crunchyroll could then include the Crunchyroll offer as part of their total bid.

But if multiple home video distributors are negotiating for the rights, there's nothing that Crunchyroll can do to hurry anything along. Nor anything Crunchyroll can do to make sure that it ends up with someone willing to sublicense to them, like Sentai, Aniplex America, or NIS America.


leokiko123 wrote: I'm watching only 2 shows from this season, and 2 from the last(SAO, Uchuu Kyoudai) so it's enough for me.

My threshold is three simulcasts ~ that's when I started subscribing in Spring 2009, and the only season I was tempted to drop was when I only had two series to follow. But then Crunchyroll signed Giant Killing halfway through the season, which rescued that season for me.


This season is the best of 2012 so far so it's a shame that CR dropped the ball. Hope that doesn't keep happening.

Fall is normally the "best" season, so its normally the season with the most series picked up by home video distributor and unavailable to Crunchyroll. Which normally sucks for people outside of North America who are region blocked by Funimation and Hulu/VizMedia and TheAnimeNetwork.

We know that Crunchyroll is willing to work with the home video distributors, so the hold-up with those series is on the other side being far-sighted enough to sign mutually-beneficial package deals.


SailorBee wrote: TT____TT Aww man, you guys always have your little conspiracies.

If only know you knew ~ !!! TT_______________TT ;

My conspiracy theory is, Crunchyroll is conspiring to get as much anime as they can get, streaming to as many different countries as it can get, and offering what it calculates it can afford to pay. Sometimes, like Summer 2012, the conspiracy works really, really well. Sometimes, like this Fall, the result of that conspiracy is "merely" good, not great, and so everyone spoiled by the Spring 2012 and Summer 2012 license pick ups starts getting restless.

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Added information on Crunchyroll announcement of simulcast of Say "I love you." (Suki-tte Ii na yo.).
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@agila61: I must say your posts are very helpful , thanks.

Anyway, I checked amazon's "Stalker" website and checked the preorders of Vol 1 BD's on the fall season. This is the top 5 on pre-orders right now:

1. To LOVE-Ru Darkness
2. Little Busters!
3. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
4. Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai!
5. Hidamari Sketch x Honeycomb

I'm betting that LB! and Jojo will go up a bit and chuuni will stay the same at the end.
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News for those in Europe. Viz Europe has licensed Magi. I'm thinking that it's getting a dub down the line. But somebody who is in Europe can tell me if Viz Europe releases sub-only on home video.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-25/viz-europe-licenses-magi-anime
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leokiko123 wrote:

@agila61: I must say your posts are very helpful , thanks.

Anyway, I checked amazon's "Stalker" website and checked the preorders of Vol 1 BD's on the fall season. This is the top 5 on pre-orders right now:

1. To LOVE-Ru Darkness
2. Little Busters!
3. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
4. Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai!
5. Hidamari Sketch x Honeycomb

I'm betting that LB! and Jojo will go up a bit and chuuni will stay the same at the end.


It should be noted that Hidamari Sketch is only that high due to being solicited nearly a month before the anime even began, so it had a large headstart in gaining stalker points. With how strong Girls und Panzer has been coming on (its currently #2 on the Amazon rankings for the season), I'd consider that #5 over Hidamari since Girls und Panzer is projected at 5100 sales while Hidamari is projected at 4700.
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leokiko123 wrote:

@agila61: I must say your posts are very helpful , thanks.

Anyway, I checked amazon's "Stalker" website and checked the preorders of Vol 1 BD's on the fall season. This is the top 5 on pre-orders right now:

1. To LOVE-Ru Darkness
2. Little Busters!
3. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
4. Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai!
5. Hidamari Sketch x Honeycomb

I'm betting that LB! and Jojo will go up a bit and chuuni will stay the same at the end.


It should be noted that Hidamari Sketch is only that high due to being solicited nearly a month before the anime even began, so it had a large headstart in gaining stalker points. With how strong Girls und Panzer has been coming on (its currently #2 on the Amazon rankings for the season), I'd consider that #5 over Hidamari since Girls und Panzer is projected at 5100 sales while Hidamari is projected at 4700.

Actually...

(** 1.393 pt) Hidamari Sketch 1 [Blu-ray] (Limited Edition)
(** 1.012 pt) Girls & Panzer 1 [Blu-ray] (Limited Edition)

Didn't know about Hidamari being solicited before though(my list was only counting vol 1)
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