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Why most people want to be slaves?
Posted 7/11/12 , edited 7/15/12
Don't be offended please. These are questions I've come to.

Why do people want a god/big brother/perfection so bad? it seems they are just enslaving themselves? is it just for meaning when they can't find any? to guide them? Are we really that confused of a species?...I don't get it, people pray and worship something that's invisible in a repetitive slave like manner, it's just something that they want. Every other religion it's the same thing over and over...........

That's just it, why would you want/need a god?

After watching Ergo Proxy(amazing, although it gets a bit portentous) I noticed the way it portrays obedience to masters, I did not enjoy the ending, however the parts I did enjoy was it's play with philosophy (And the music of course). Some quotes..

The creator thinks therefore we are
- We are just as flawed as the creator who created us, So there is probably an even more perfect creator or none at all.

We think therefore we are - Liberation? Awakening?

Why do we exist who can ease our loneliness? -Are we really that lonely?


Why do people feel they have to be a slave to something perfect in order to have meaning?
Posted 7/11/12
Maybe to be lead by someone in their best interest?
Posted 7/11/12
You make a simple world sound complicated.
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Posted 7/11/12 , edited 7/11/12
I think it's because of fear. Fear that if they stop believing in God(sorry I myself am a Catholic ^_^;;; though I respect all other idea's. Peace XD) that when they die and figure out that there is a God then they will go to some bad place.
Other people believe in him because they were raised to. I was. O3O But I was also raised to repect other religions and people's so that's what I do. There are some things that the Buddhist say that I believe in. Ah I should stop talking. ^_^;;

*looks at Avii* O.O That doesn't match what I'm saying much....
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Posted 7/11/12
well depending on how someone views God their answer would change.
it's the same as how unless you read the artist's own interpretation of their work then your own ideas of what it's about won't always match up with someone else's. someone with a very different viewpoint and idea of who God is than what you have would be more likely to ask "why wouldn't you want a God?"

i believe in God but i've never been a slave because of that.

now if you asked me about world of warcraft holiday events, the grind for new gear, and tanking for groups of idiots. yea, those have made me feel like a slave.
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Well.....you see I am an agnostic. Not because I have some kind of deep hidden fear of god or anything but because....hey you never know. And it also kind of depends on what you would classify as a god. For example. We the human race as a whole can be considered a god or the elements that create us can be considered god. People have different understandings of the word GOD. Anyway....people want to be enslaved because they are lazy lol. The human race is naturally lazy when it comes to things like this because it's distracting from things that we do in everyday life. I don't mean to be mean or to offend anyone but......today god is mostly used as a symbol of ignorance. We cast of our thoughts of afterlife and who created us by creating god so we can focus on getting food, shelter, and water. That's one of the reasons why many churches didn't like science because it was against god. Science is slowly filling the gap that god was filling. It makes people scared to think that the god that has been shoved down their throat since they were little might not really be what they think he is. I really don't care if they want to go on believing their god but, I get pissed when they get in the way time after time of people who really want to know and discover. People who are not scared to dive into the unknown and figure out how things really are. Really.......I would like to think of god as the human brain. "I think therefore I am." My mind is what shapes my world.......no other man,women, or being on this planet looks or will ever look at things exactly the same way I do. I am the master of my life therefore I am the god of me. The thought that they alone truly have most of the control over themselves scares the hell out of them. I mean yes we do have instincts and conformity is a natural part of life. In fact....it could be another good reason god was so easily accepted. We actually feel happy when we conform therefore the odd man out might have to struggle to regain true consciousness of a situation.
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Posted 7/11/12
You misunderstand.

What one believes has nothing to do with preference. It would be like me asking "Why do people want / need there to not be a God so badly? Do they just want to do whatever they want without consequences?" People believe something because they have (to some extent) examined a set of facts and come to a conclusion. That conclusion can be wrong, but simply because it is not consistent with the one you hold doesn't mean they are simply believing it on a whim.

I understand that some people truly and honestly believe that another's point of view is utter nonsense. I can accept that because everyone has the right to come to their own conclusions. However, when two people disagree, a debate is formed. To simply put down another's point of view without listening to the arguments isn't productive.

But to answer your question, people believe in God because it is the most logical conclusion (TO THEM). It could be wrong, but simply saying "That's wrong" won't solve anything like a conversation will.

I don't "want" there to be a God anymore than I "want" gravity to exist. It is simply the conclusion I have reached through my own examination of the universe, philosophy, and morality. Could it be wrong? Sure, I don't claim to be all-knowing, but its what I believe for the time being.
Posted 7/11/12
well if you die and god actually exists,well you're fucked. I believe in a god or higher being but not in religious stuff
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That's a really good point...Hellhunter22
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seekerperson7 wrote:

You misunderstand.

What one believes has nothing to do with preference. It would be like me asking "Why do people want / need there to not be a God so badly? Do they just want to do whatever they want without consequences?" People believe something because they have (to some extent) examined a set of facts and come to a conclusion. That conclusion can be wrong, but simply because it is not consistent with the one you hold doesn't mean they are simply believing it on a whim.

I understand that some people truly and honestly believe that another's point of view is utter nonsense. I can accept that because everyone has the right to come to their own conclusions. However, when two people disagree, a debate is formed. To simply put down another's point of view without listening to the arguments isn't productive.

But to answer your question, people believe in God because it is the most logical conclusion (TO THEM). It could be wrong, but simply saying "That's wrong" won't solve anything like a conversation will.

I don't "want" there to be a God anymore than I "want" gravity to exist. It is simply the conclusion I have reached through my own examination of the universe, philosophy, and morality. Could it be wrong? Sure, I don't claim to be all-knowing, but its what I believe for the time being.


You kind of just supported my "I am god theory." You see and perceive that there might be a god.... therefore to you there might be some other god because that's what you think. In the end you are the one who perceives the world and what it means and how it works. We just band together in the hope that we can string our ideas together and proceed further into knowledge. Almost like being told a story of the universe only no one quite hears the same thing as you do.
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I don't "want" there to be a God anymore than I "want" gravity to exist. It is simply the conclusion I have reached through my own examination of the universe, philosophy, and morality. Could it be wrong? Sure, I don't claim to be all-knowing, but its what I believe for the time being.


Logical? It's just simply unknown and needs to be discovered like anything else...I guess people would rather have a god then just leaving it as a gap as unknown..
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You might try clicking on wikipedia. Type in the name Abraham Maslow and analyze item 2.4 which illustrates the climb to humanistic self-actualization.......pyramid explaining the 'Hierarchy of Needs'. The whole bio is an interesting read. You might even find the answer you seek.

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I sort of agree with you in the sense that the answer can be discovered. There IS an answer out there. Either a god exists or he doesn't, he can't both exist and not exist at the same time.

What I am saying, however, is that some people have come to a conclusion whereby the answer is already known.

The atheist has come to he conclusion that a God cannot exist. He has reason's to support this.

The theist has come to the conclusion that God does exist. He has reasons to support this (they may be wrong, be if they are, than a simple debate and explanation can resolve this and demolish his supports).

So, to some, it really isn't an issue of "we don't know, therefore, lets find out.' It's, "I've found out, here's why. What is your counterpoint?"

To those who don't think they know (ie who don't fall into either camp), well, I suppose they are the ones who are most intently listening to the debates lol.

Oh, and then there are those who say the answer is unknowable. They have supports to. They always provide the most interesting conversations. I enjoy discussing these kinds of things. I find it fascinating to see how other's think. But i'm not very articulate in a forum lol.
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Posted 7/11/12

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seekerperson7 wrote:

I don't "want" there to be a God anymore than I "want" gravity to exist. It is simply the conclusion I have reached through my own examination of the universe, philosophy, and morality. Could it be wrong? Sure, I don't claim to be all-knowing, but its what I believe for the time being.


Logical? It's just simply unknown and needs to be discovered like anything else...I guess people would rather have a god then just leaving it as a gap as unknown..


Exactly. Admitting and accepting you don't know something is both a shot to a person ego and scary as hell to many because it recognizes a weakness. It's a huge reason why people get angry at scientist who dissagree with their belifes with god. I personaly have a huge respect for scientist because to be a good scientst you have to admit that you don't really know at first so you can figure it out later. Hell but some people today will even try arguing a point that they realized is wrong during an argument just to show that they won't give into the other person's ideas.
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Posted 7/11/12 , edited 7/11/12

aew782 wrote:


seekerperson7 wrote:

I don't "want" there to be a God anymore than I "want" gravity to exist. It is simply the conclusion I have reached through my own examination of the universe, philosophy, and morality. Could it be wrong? Sure, I don't claim to be all-knowing, but its what I believe for the time being.


Logical? It's just simply unknown and needs to be discovered like anything else...I guess people would rather have a god then just leaving it as a gap as unknown..


You just missed the whole point of an awesome post. TO YOU it's not logical but to someone else it may be. I would probably agree with you that a logical god may not make a whole lot of sense but I can still see that to this person it does and I wouldn't call him a "slave" for believing that way.

The whole argument is flawed from the start.

It makes the supposition of "If you believe in god - then you are a slave". I don't believe that at all.

Outside of my own hangups on religion, I can still see that it adds a whole new layer of humanity to other peoples lives. Since I live in a Christian society I will take that as an example.
People are out there every day helping their fellow man; in soup kitchens, habitat for humanity or just holding the door for someone because they were taught "love thy neighbor".

I can understand your viewpoint completely because I used to feel the same way as well. All of those good deeds were simply done out of fear of hell and had no real "good" in them. Through my observations I have found that, while it may be true for some, other Christians do it because it is simply the "right" thing to do.

Not only that but the supposition limits the definition of the term "God".

What happens if Mother Earth is your god? I've had a few conversations with "hippies" along these lines and the way they deduced this is based on some form of logic. If you remove/hurt this species/plant in a balanced ecosystem the whole of it is affected irreparably. Things that are grown and tended to by your own hands isn't just better for you, it is also miraculous. Mother Nature is not only a living breathing thing it is also spiritual.
Now, while I may say to them there is logical reasons for why each of those things are true and isn't necessarily spiritual, I still would never go as far to say that they are "slaves".
I'm just going to show you a lifestyle of a generic, stereotypical hippie vegan to show why I may, in fact, be more of a slave than them.

They go outside and experience nature with hiking, biking and the like. I stay inside more and watch anime/go on the internet. They will probably live longer from the exercise alone while I may not. Not only that but an exposure to sunshine each day has been shown to make people happier. http://www.quora.com/Why-does-sunshine-make-people-happy

They don't eat junk food, take any stimulants and try and stay away from pills or "big pharma". I sometimes eat like crap, drink coffee and pop an ibuprofen at the first sign of headache. Eating like crap is bad for all sorts of organs including the heart and the bowels. Drinking coffee in moderation isn't necessarily bad for you but now I HAVE to drink it to wake up. Ipuprofen has been shown to be bad for your liver when taken too much. http://www.ehow.com/about_5108779_ibuprofen-cause-liver-damage.html

They are usually more aware of environmental concerns like global warming, recycling, animal extinction and toxic waste. Yes, I am aware of global warming and I do recycle but I doubt my power consumption would be less than this stereotypical hippie (who I may or may not know )

So just because I am an agnostic and see a lot more logical conclusions to the world than the hippie I am in fact more of a slave. Let's not even take it to the "Mother Earth is god" level but put it at spirituality. Would a spiritual person who believes in an unknown god necessarily be more of a slave than me? I would have to know the person and see how he/she lives his or her life. Since "freedom" to me seems to be a relative construct I don't see how you could make a broad sweeping statement sucking in everyone who finds some sort of religious/spiritual solace in their lives.
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