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Why most people want to be slaves?
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aew782 wrote:

Don't be offended PLEASE, these are just the last questions I've come to.

Why do people want a god/big brother/perfection so bad? it seems they are just enslaving themselves? is it just for meaning when they can't find any? to guide them? Are we really that confused of a species?...I don't get it, people pray and worship something that's invisible in a repetitive slave like manner, it's just something that they want. Every other religion it's the same thing over and over...........

That's just it, why would you want/need a god?

I recently watched Ergo Proxy and I kept looking at it's idea of obedience to masters, I did not enjoy the ending, however the parts I did enjoy was it's play with philosophy (And the music of course). Some quotes..

The creator thinks therefore we are
- We are just as flawed as the creator who created us, So there is probably an even more perfect creator or none at all.

We think therefore we are - Liberation? Awakening?

Why do we exist who can ease our loneliness? -Are we really that lonely?


Why do people feel they have to be a slave to something perfect in order to have meaning,? ..to me it's just an idea from ignorance of the unknown.



Well, there are various reasons for wanting to believe in gods and stuff. For some, gods bring justice to the world that the believers are powerless to bring. It makes the world seem more 'fair' and less harsh with the whole karma belief. It gives people a motivation to be 'good' and not brutal, self-serving animals. Some serve a god because they believe it is their purpose or their meaning in life. There are too many reasons to list, really.


The creator thinks therefore we are
- We are just as flawed as the creator who created us, So there is probably an even more perfect creator or none at all.
-What? No. That doesn't make sense. There are no levels of perfection. Something is either perfect or it is not.

We think therefore we are - Liberation? Awakening?
-We simply can't cope with being unable to know something. Humans has proven time and time again that they will construct their own truths in order to answer burning, unanswerable questions.

Why do we exist who can ease our loneliness? -Are we really that lonely?
Well, we are social creatures. People lose their minds because of loneliness sometimes.
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Posted 7/14/12

aew782 wrote:

^Your kidding right?


No. 100% true.
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God does want us to be slaves to anything and that includes science, which is also a false god to many who abide by it like dogma. You are supposed to do whatever YOU want and have FUN doing it as long as it does not harm others.

End of discussion.
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Science is not a god, its a method(that works) for understanding the natural world..what I'm saying is there is no point in believing in a god, however I guess it's good in some cases..
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People are taught they should believe in fairy tales from a very young age. It takes a very straight-minded, serious, mature person to actually overcome such a meaningless mode of thought later on in life. For many, it doesn't seem to be possible at all.

Why is a dog loyal to its master? Probably for the exact same reason a person becomes attached to the strict tenets of a creed or cult (religion). If you're trained to bark like a dog when you're young, you're going to bark like a dog for the rest of your life until you actively decide you want to change. A dog with no master who can't overcome such simple brainwashing will inevitably seek out a new master each time the old one goes away or abuses it.

It's pretty much basic psychology.

When I say "It takes a very straight-minded, serious, mature person to actually overcome such a meaningless mode of thought", I'm saying it takes a complete reformation and revolution in personal thought processes to actually overcome the mental sickness that makes people obedient to others.

People who commonly use this type of brainwashing on the masses include schools, governments, cults (religions), corporations (on their own employees), and even advertisers.

Given how much of this crap we're bombarded by every single day, it's not that surprising so many people become enthralled.
Posted 7/14/12 , edited 7/15/12

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People are taught they should believe in fairy tales from a very young age. It takes a very straight-minded, serious, mature person to actually overcome such a meaningless mode of thought later on in life. For many, it doesn't seem to be possible at all.

Why is a dog loyal to its master? Probably for the exact same reason a person becomes attached to the strict tenets of a creed or cult (religion). If you're trained to bark like a dog when you're young, you're going to bark like a dog for the rest of your life until you actively decide you want to change. A dog with no master who can't overcome such simple brainwashing will inevitably seek out a new master each time the old one goes away or abuses it.

It's pretty much basic psychology.

When I say "It takes a very straight-minded, serious, mature person to actually overcome such a meaningless mode of thought", I'm saying it takes a complete reformation and revolution in personal thought processes to actually overcome the mental sickness that makes people obedient to others.

People who commonly use this type of brainwashing on the masses include schools, governments, cults (religions), corporations (on their own employees), and even advertisers.

Given how much of this crap we're bombarded by every single day, it's not that surprising so many people become enthralled.


Thanks for that great response..and it makes sense!
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A lot of people just don't know their way in life.. So they want someone to guide them. Look at your peers, many of them are unaware of their environment and surroundings and are so gullible to subliminal messaging. Too much close mindedness nowadays.
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God has always been a tool to inspire the best and worst in people. God has been utilized build and slay nations. In the end you can't deny existence and the reality that it had to start at some point through some method. I am agnostic as well but I believe in Christ and in his wanting to help people inspires me (not as often as when I was young but still does). Jesus really was a rebel if you think about it. He respected the temples of his forbearers but did not need them which the people in his time were disturbed over. He was a light in the dark regardless of where he traveled. He wore his hair long when it was only acceptable to have short hair. He spoke of God outside the houses of worship for none other than the purpose of helping people not for their 10% tithe.

I am unyielding even now in my life but I respect what is beyond me. I make my choices inspired by what I feel is right not controlled into doing it. Even in the Christian Bible Satan (widely considered to be this hanus character out with a pitch fork ready to get you) was pitched out of heaven due to his not wanting to do as he was told and God MADE HIM like that. I have a pretty radical idea of "hell" as well which the orthodox religions wouldn't really like too much but I believe a pious life isn't for everyone unfortunately but it doesn't mean you can do God inspired things and it doesn't make one any better than another. We are thread in a tapestry that is more colorful and lengthy than anyone can imagine.... merely a thread that gives this wonderful and painful existence form from nothing.

You don't have to believe in this. I don't go to church... I don't listen to pastors (really despise them to a degree) but they serve their purpose in organizing the message and generally doing good. I am still a sheep who doesn't like shepards I guess but a sheep that forges his/her own path. You obviously don't agree with my assessment as it requires faith in something unknown but you will make your own path in life. Your good and bad will effect a variety of people in your allotted time here. Don't waste your gift. Find your own truth as I have.
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@Title: Cause Loki said: We are born to submit and bow down. (heard in Avengers)
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Well I'm just going to assume when I say what is there to do in life without an objective keeping us going.
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aew782 wrote:Thanks for that great response, very honest..and it makes sense unlike some of the other answers
Let me translate: some of the other answers actually tried to address what he wrote instead of building up his ego by tearing down the religious.

Newsflash, OP: you aren't superior to the faithful. Yes, many of them just follow what they were taught, but a good chunk made reasoned, adult decisions when they decided to believe. Until you're capable of making a similar decision, you'll never be a real atheist, so I'd appreciate it if you'd stop giving us a bad name. Or, more succinctly, GROW UP.
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This religion crap is something i hate so all i have to say is that if there is a god or whatever then he will forgive me because he should have mercy on mercy on me if not then I'd rather burn in hell than look up to someone like him who would not have mercy on me no matter what path I am to follow
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Science is not a god, its a method(that works) for understanding the natural world..what I'm saying is there is no point in caring/believing in a god.


I wouldn't say there is 'no point' in believing in god, as it is human nature to call for a higher power as a sense of purpose and belonging is instilled within them. It gives themselves hope and hope is one of the elements that strive humanity to live on. Btw, I'm an Atheist so I 100% agree with you that Science is slowly unfolding the realistic truths with actual evidence which uncovers the many mystery's of the natural world. Each and every step disproving a God.
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And here I thought this was going to be about S n' M. What a let down.
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Background: I am agnostic, raised Anglican-christian. My family is a mix of Baptist/Catholic/Anglican/Lutherine/Presbyterian.

Religion today is not what it once was. I was a way to control to populace through fear and bullying (if you dont believe this you will go to Hell).
This control was required to educate the populace on the laws in place, ethics, morality, and dedication (to ones family, comunity and self)

Today, religion has a much less active roll in our lives and the world is basically being seperated into two catergories: Believers and Non-believers. Most of this is simply because science is real, tangible both to the visual and to the tactile reality. It is hard to have faith in something that you cannot define, yet every preacher and religious educator try to define for you. It also does not help that evey time one turns around you find a lunitic trying to be the next proffit from on high.

Now to your questions:
Why do people feel the need for there to be something greater than themselves? (this is the question you asked, just straightened out)

Humans have always and always will continue to strive towards something that is greater than ourselves, it is our nature, it is why we have evolved from a primitive form and continue evolving. Religion is just a focus of that need, put into tangible form and shared (however unwillingly). Unfortunately as the need evolves from that first comunal need to a personal need, people feel they are right, and only their beliefs are correct and they need to tell the world and make them understand. This is by the way what caused me to become agnostic, I just dont care about your beliefs and do not want to even entertain them. That and I dont believe that towns should shutdown just because the religous councel feel that sunday is scarred, closing hurts my business, my customers will go elsewhere if I am closed.

A god is an active deity, to be active he/she/it must have followers, a source of influence and produce directly tangible effects. To date no deity has been able to do all of this. And no having a starving carpenter call himself the son of god is not a tangible effect, just a source of influence.

This is just my two cents and I expect to be blasted by our fellow crunchyrollians of the religious persuasian over this. But to help forstall the wrath of them I say: live a year without your religion and then make a decision about me, for I have lived many years within your religion and learned your faith. Try mine.
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