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Now there is another problem... life on other planets, most recently, the discovery of microbes foreign to our own of Earth found on Mars... the other is that new life and new microbes have been found in sulphur rich environments, showing that either God is probably creating new specimen as some may say, or that maybe that life can appear as a rare occurrence.


Why have I not been informed of this? Microbes foreign to Earth on Mars? Are they sure that it wasn't some sort of mutation to allow it to survive in such terrains, for we did leave many microbes from Earth on foreign heavenly objects. New life, as in forming? in sulphur rich environments? If it was not seen forming, how do we know it is new, and just not yet found? The next question is if life is on Mars, and is not from the life we left there, why has it not evolved past microbes into animal like lifeforms? Or have they?
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No, I do not adhere to a set of beliefs just like Atheist and Theist do.
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A religious nutjob calling me ignorant? Now that's funny.

And don't lie, judging by your choices, you love bullshit and would take that box every time.


I was making a joke about you choosing 'bullshit' for the contents of the box. The NPK rating is the balance of nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium. Depending on the balance fertilizer (bull-shit) can be extremely valuable.

As for being a "religious nutjob"... no. Am I Christian? Of course. It's what I believe. I have my reasons, I'm sure you have yours.
My reasoning comes from a collaboration of thought, study, discussion, and honestly, gut instinct.

It amuses me that your entire belief system is probably based on some other high-school drop outs peer pressuring you into blind hate. I sincerely hope you outgrow that one day.
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I don't think I'm religious because I don't go to church nor do I read the Bible anymore (I have read it twice...completely) but I do believe in God because I've felt him in my life and miracles have happened in my family. i love God and that's all.
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Now there is another problem... life on other planets, most recently, the discovery of microbes foreign to our own of Earth found on Mars... the other is that new life and new microbes have been found in sulphur rich environments, showing that either God is probably creating new specimen as some may say, or that maybe that life can appear as a rare occurrence.


Why have I not been informed of this? Microbes foreign to Earth on Mars? Are they sure that it wasn't some sort of mutation to allow it to survive in such terrains, for we did leave many microbes from Earth on foreign heavenly objects. New life, as in forming? in sulphur rich environments? If it was not seen forming, how do we know it is new, and just not yet found? The next question is if life is on Mars, and is not from the life we left there, why has it not evolved past microbes into animal like lifeforms? Or have they?


That is because it is not true. There have been no discovery of any kind of life on Mars, even though water has been found. I checked the data on the web, and it is apparent that there has been no discovery, just postulating of how life COULD LIVE on Mars.



EmeraldMercy, that actually is exactly what makes the prediction process so wrong. Who's to say "bad" data is in fact wrong since no one was there when it happened? (EDITED FOE CLARITY) Furthermore, the dating methods can only tell you how much carbon, or whatever substance is left... not what itbwas before. Remember, unless you have prior knowledge, science is unable to tell beyond the empirical. Millions or billions of years is a belief in the origin.
An example to my point is this: Suppose I had an engine and set it up in a rocky area. Now suppose that I uncorked the bottom of the engine so the oil in the chamber fell out. I waited a few weeks and then asked a scientist to tell me how long the engine has been there. The scientist cannot use the knowledge of the make of build nor can he use the dust as a reference point (to simulate me having discovered it like a fossil).
The scientist would then notice there is a bucket below the engine where a bunch of oil spilled into. He would also note that oil is slowly oozing out and would make an educated guesstimate on the time-frame. But because he is using the slow dripping as his time scale, he will date the engine to have been there for quite a few months, if not years
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Was his method done accurately? Sure...but because he was not aware that most of the oil had gushed out when I uncorked the seal, his calculations would be terribly off. In the same way today, scientists who use Evolution as their basis ASSUME in Unitarianism. They assume with minor differences that the fossils or rocks have degraded at a steady rate, despite knowing that EVERY SEDIMENTARY LAYER was set down by water.

In many mountainous areas, rock layers thousands of feet thick have been bent and folded without fracturing. How can that happen if they were laid down separately over hundreds of millions of years and already hardened?

If the earth’s fossil-bearing sedimentary layers were laid down over 460 million years, they could not be bent without breaking.

Hardened rock layers are brittle. Try bending a slab of concrete sometime to see what happens! But if concrete is still wet, it can easily be shaped and molded before the cement sets. The same principle applies to sedimentary rock layers. They can be bent and folded soon after the sediment is deposited, before the natural cements have a chance to bind the particles together into hard, brittle rocks
FROM: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v7/n4/bent-rock-layers
Source: R.E. Goodman, Introduction to Rock Mechanics (New York: John Wiley and Sons, 1980);
Sam Boggs, Jr., Principles of Sedimentology and Stratigraphy (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Prentice-Hall, 1995), pp. 127–131
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I am not trying to connect the God of the Bible purely by empirical means, that would take a leap of faith. However, if you used the Creation accounts as a basis, you would find the model of how the fossils and rocks got there would be consistent.


Actually, I do not hold to that. It is not because I am being arrogant in saying so, as you well know I do not mean to be, but because I cannot find enough evidence to suggest otherwise. First, if there are many plot holes, many errors in the Bible, I would like to know since I have yet to encounter a claim that is correct. But Secondly, I can believe the Bible is as it says so in part because of the wonderful up-keeping of the texts.

Perhaps you weren't aware, but there are ways to know very confidently whether the literature is original or not. For example, no scholar denies that the writings of Aristotle are in fact his writings, despite the nearest copy being 1400 years after it was originally written.


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Many people do not believe that the Bible is a reliable document of history. But, the fact is the Bible is very trustworthy as a historical document. If we were to look at a chart that compared the biblical documents with other ancient documents, we would see that the Bible is in a class by itself regarding the number of ancient copies and their reliability. Please consider the chart below.

It should be obvious that the biblical documents, especially in the New Testament documents, are superior in their quantity, time span from original occurrence, and textual reliability. The question is not into documents reliably transmitted to us. The question is whether or not the biblical documents record actual historical accounts.

It could be said that the Bible is a book of history -- and it is. The Bible describes places, people, and events in various degrees of detail. It is essentially a historical account of the people of God throughout thousands of years. If you open to almost any page in the Bible you will find a name of a place and/or a person. Much of this can be verified from archaeology. Though archaeology cannot prove that the Bible is the inspired word of God, it has the ability to prove whether or not if some events and locations described therein are true or false. So far, however, there isn't a single archaeological discovery that disproves the Bible in any way.

Nevertheless, many used to think that the Bible had numerous historical errors in it such as Luke's account of Lysanias being the tetrarch of Abiline in about 27 AD (Luke 3:1). For years scholars used this "factual error" to prove Luke was wrong because it was common knowledge that Lysanias was not a tetrarch, but the ruler of Chalcis about 50 years earlier than what Luke described. But, an archaeological inscription was found that said Lysanias was the tetrarch in Abila near Damascus at the time that Luke said. It turns out that there had been two people name Lysanias and Luke had accurately recorded the facts.

Also, the walls of Jericho have been found, destroyed just as the Bible says. Many critics doubted that Nazareth ever existed, yet archaeologists have found a first-century synagogue inscription at Caesarea verified its existence. Finds have verified Herod the Great and his son Herod Antipas. The remains of the Apostle Peter's house have been found at Capernaum. Bones with nail scars through the wrists and feet have been uncovered as well demonstrating the actuality of crucifixion. The High Priest Caiaphas' bones have been discovered in an ossuary (a box used to store bones).

There is, of course, a host of archaeological digs that corroborate biblical records such as Bethsaida, Bethany, Caesarea Philippi, Capernaum, Cyprus, Galatia, Philippi, Thessalonica, Berea, Athens, Corinth, Ephesus, Rome, etc. For more on this see, http://carm.org/apologetics/evidence-and-answers/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities

Site: http://carm.org/christianity/bible/hasnt-bible-been-rewritten-so-many-times-we-cant-trust-it-anymore


It should be worth noting that a translation is a world apart from a version. A version is another person's take on the event while a translation uses the original source as its reference point to COPY...something the Bible always is done by even to this day. At least, translations like the NASB and ESV are of the translation stock.
Further excellent reading can be found in this book here: http://www.livingwaters.com/witnessingtool/Biblestandsalone.shtml


EmeraldMercy As a fellow Christian years ago, instead of depicting the world as others have interpreted it, I set out on my own, looking for my own evidence, and my own theories, and only paid attention to other's views to guide myself and influence my own views......

I am lost... Being lost, and neutral allows me to be the target of many, but also allows me to be a referee of sorts... You see, my friend... you can Praise God, and your God... and I can remain lost... in the shadows in the mist... for in the experiment one of the others have posted... (Though of course being a simple post) I would not choose a box that can be empty, full of gold, or full of poison... or the box I know to be empty, but rather choose to sit there, staring at the boxes... Allowing me to think of both, and to hope for another box to arrive... so that I can sit between all three, and again think, and hope for a fourth... then in the world of an isolated room and boxes that I can only empty one, I am assured progress in my own sentience...


You know my friend, that is rather true of our predicament if your view is correct. Without any way of knowing Truth emphatically, we are left without any real hope besides what today offers us through pleasures and are doomed to sit at those boxes, unable to decide which is correct.
I am reminded of what my Father told me not too long ago: When he was still in Seminary in Dallas, Texas, he met a middle aged man and when he asked him whether he belonged to a church, the man told him that he used to be a Catholic.

What made you decide to stop being a Catholic? "Well," came the response, "I was driving in my car on the freeway and a big rig swerved into my lane. He didn't see me and almost crushed my car. I barely avoided the accident and cursed the driver using God's name in vain."
"I realized right there I couldn't be a Catholic. You see, the Catholics teach about the unforgivable sins against the Holy Spirit, and one of them is blaspheming God's name. It dawned on me that if God really wanted me into heaven He would have killed me before I could curse His name, but if He wanted me to go to Hell, all He had to do was wait until just after I sinned. In other words," he told my father, "I never knew where I stood with Him."

You hope to find God sympathetic to your honesty about not knowing the path to choose, and, like with those boxes, you hope that someone will come and save you from having to make a choice. Perhaps you might be right...but on the other hand, Revelation 21:8 says that all cowards and unbelievers are included in the list of wicked deeds that earn a spot in Hell. So if this God is real, then not picking a side is the same as rejecting Him, since He has clearly put his Truth before all men.

What a horrible predicament!!! Instead of being comforted in being honest in sitting before the choices, what you don't know is that those boxes are being guarded by an Angel of Death who will slay you for not choosing on top of choosing the empty one! A doomed existence for sure, EmeraldMercy, as you are unable to decide if any, if at all, of the gods of the world being taught are even close to the real thing. And unable to perceive whether He views you with contempt or not, you sit at those boxes dreading what you also wish for in death in a way.

I can't say that I don't understand your misery in the never ending search for truth. To not allow yourself to accept the Bible for what it is: truth, ends up being vanity as you bumble around from religion to religion, belief to belief, in the hopes that by tasting and intellectually observing their strengths and weaknesses that perhaps you might ascertain Truth and be capable of picking one of the boxes. Yet your life may very well depend on picking the one of them!

I suppose that is what is meant when Paul says in 2 Corinthians 2:15-17 For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing; to the one an aroma from death to death, to the other an aroma from life to life. And who is adequate for these things? 17 For we are not like many, peddling the word of God, but as from sincerity, but as from God, we speak in Christ in the sight of God

I've said a lot, so I'll stop for now.

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I was making a joke about you choosing 'bullshit' for the contents of the box. The NPK rating is the balance of nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium. Depending on the balance fertilizer (bull-shit) can be extremely valuable.

As for being a "religious nutjob"... no. Am I Christian? Of course. It's what I believe. I have my reasons, I'm sure you have yours.
My reasoning comes from a collaboration of thought, study, discussion, and honestly, gut instinct.

It amuses me that your entire belief system is probably based on some other high-school drop outs peer pressuring you into blind hate. I sincerely hope you outgrow that one day.


LOL it's so cute to see how proud you are of your NPK rating and fertilizer knowledge. I'm sure no one else in the world knows what it is, so thank you for your explanation. I'm glad I was right that you are an expert in the bullshit field.

You are not only a religious nutjob, you are a little bitch who is desperate to believe in anything. You lob personal insults at anyone who has different views. Don't kid yourself into thinking "reasoning" play any role on your thought process.

My belief system of you is based on the asinine contents of your posts nothing more. It has nothing to do with hate, I just don't feel I need to put up with your bitchiness. I feel sorry for your family and your kids and hope one day you will stop being a douchebag for their sake.
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I am not religious and I don't believe in a god but if there was real evidence of a God then I would quite happily believe in one.
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G1lgam3sh wrote:

I was making a joke about you choosing 'bullshit' for the contents of the box. The NPK rating is the balance of nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium. Depending on the balance fertilizer (bull-shit) can be extremely valuable.

As for being a "religious nutjob"... no. Am I Christian? Of course. It's what I believe. I have my reasons, I'm sure you have yours.
My reasoning comes from a collaboration of thought, study, discussion, and honestly, gut instinct.

It amuses me that your entire belief system is probably based on some other high-school drop outs peer pressuring you into blind hate. I sincerely hope you outgrow that one day.


LOL it's so cute to see how proud you are of your NPK rating and fertilizer knowledge. I'm sure no one else in the world knows what it is, so thank you for your explanation. I'm glad I was right that you are an expert in the bullshit field.

You are not only a religious nutjob, you are a little bitch who is desperate to believe in anything. You lob personal insults at anyone who has different views. Don't kid yourself into thinking "reasoning" play any role on your thought process.

My belief system of you is based on the asinine contents of your posts nothing more. It has nothing to do with hate, I just don't feel I need to put up with your bitchiness. I feel sorry for your family and your kids and hope one day you will stop being a douchebag for their sake.


Aww, so much anger. Anyone that owns a house and keeps up their yard is familiar with the NPK system.

The little bitch comment is hilarious. Standard small guy response. (uh-oh. Another personal attack. OH NOEZ!!! Time to cry more!)
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Aww, so much anger. Anyone that owns a house and keeps up their yard is familiar with the NPK system.


Yeah no sh!t smart guy. It's just so funny how much you love to brag- first about your fertilizer knowledge and now about owning a house. Congrats man! It's not like most people don't own a house so you should go ahead and feel special lol.


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The little bitch comment is hilarious. Standard small guy response. (uh-oh. Another personal attack. OH NOEZ!!! Time to cry more!)


I get that you are cocky, conceited, and like to put others down for their educational level (see the high school dropouts comment). Why don't you tell us how "learned" you are? Which college? Major? Profession? Impress us please.
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For me, i'm kind of religious even I don't go in the church at all or at least I read bible 20 times since I was a kid and also I believe in God. And the reason why all people(but some of them) don't believe god is because they are being atheist and even scientist that doesn't believe any sort of magics, chi(ki), creation or world, gods, angels/fallen angels, demons, and other supernatural forces. So, for those atheist or doesn't believe god or they don't pray at all are vulnerable to supernatural force like spirit and devil possession, hexed, got voodooed, got hurt by ghost, etc.

But this is my opinion and some of them are half true and half wrong i guess.....
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No I am not religious. I stopped believing in heaven and god and all that around the same time I stopped believing in santa. Also because I was never raised by it or taught much of anything about religion.
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I can really argue about this all day =_= too lazy to though

I'll make it short.

I'm kind of sort of religious. And kind or sort of not. But I respect people who are, though some of them don't respect me back. Well whatever.
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Why have I not been informed of this? Microbes foreign to Earth on Mars? Are they sure that it wasn't some sort of mutation to allow it to survive in such terrains, for we did leave many microbes from Earth on foreign heavenly objects. New life, as in forming? in sulphur rich environments? If it was not seen forming, how do we know it is new, and just not yet found? The next question is if life is on Mars, and is not from the life we left there, why has it not evolved past microbes into animal like lifeforms? Or have they?


We have had one microbe survive in Space... known as the water bear, it can survive anything when it goes into its curled up form. Specimen have survived thousands of years, (hundreds as we have actually observed), and they can do so without any water, nutrients, or air... They are the only organism that has survived in the void of space without a helmet or protective enclosed environment. (Us Humans would have our liquid water insides pulled out of our own body from the lack of atmospheric pressure, as well as the air from our lungs pulled out all at once.

This Microbe is not foreign to Earth... and there is a debate about the mission to Mars that proves that there is foreign life or not... but that is another hour looking for some random page I was reading a few months back... I'll link it if I run across it. You can probably find it on a Google search.

Basically, water bears come from Earth, but can survive traveling across space, and the organisms found on Mars are from Mars, since they could not survive the trip back to Earth, or from Earth to Mars. The microbes in sulphur rich environments are quite amazing, as they do not require sunlight to survive. They are found near the bottom of the ocean, and bear resemblance to plankton, though not from any ancestral lineage of any other microbe observed before.

There are many very special and amazing life forms on Earth, we just need to look around... Now the question is, "How did they all come to be?"

And that my friend, I'll leave to you...

Thinking of you,

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In many mountainous areas, rock layers thousands of feet thick have been bent and folded without fracturing. How can that happen if they were laid down separately over hundreds of millions of years and already hardened?


If there is a fossil, and it is located between two different sedimentary layers, and you know the dates roughly of the layers, you know that the fossil is older then the sediment layer above it, and younger than the sediment layer below it.

Also, we cannot use more than a few hundred thousand years if we are using the same Biblical theory you have been talking about.

And there IS evidence of the microbes on Mars, but like our discussion, there is a dispute whether the data of the glucose creating methane bubbles on Mars shows life or not, though the control wielded an answer that showed that it was not just any chemical reaction. It was the same testing process we use to test if there are microbes in our drinking water here on Earth.

Look up the Viking Mars Rover experiment, or click on this unbiased link, it has both arguments of whether or not there is life on Mars or not...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-p-mckay/do-we-have-evidence-for-l_2_b_3618065.html



Friend, as much theories and evidence there is for your side, is also on the other side... unlike a battle, neither side will probably ever lose strength, but rather both sides will gain strength, until one side loses supporters... Then and only then has an idea been generally accepted. It is too early for humans to declare anything to be absolutely true, but for now, we can say, it is possible for it to be this way, or that way.

For now, the world is here, and we dwelling inside it can only imagine we know a fraction of its wealth...

Thinking of you,

-Emerald Mercy











P.S. I'll answer the rest of what you wrote, but I need to go for now... see you in a short while friend.
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