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Posted 8/24/13 , edited 8/24/13

bship97 wrote:

This is an age old question that i am sure will promptly be answered (and dismissed) but if there is no religion, where do morals come from? or are there no morals in the world we live in?


Morals are relative, and no religion has any right to exclusivity on determining which actions are moral. Likewise, a lack of belief in a religion does not make one immoral, by default. This assumption is one that many religious people seem to have a problem with. Ultimately, society determines whether actions are considered moral, irrespective of religion; however, religion has often been used to justify injustices against others. Slavery used to be condoned by the bible, and was considered moral, at least in certain states. Now it is considered not just unlawful, but immoral; but that hasn't stopped certain racists from wishing it were still both lawful and moral. A secondary problem occurs when a particular religion also controls considerable political power, as their morals then become laws, and the minority is marginalized.

As someone who is not religious, and converted away from religion 20 years ago, I can safely say this:

"I have already committed as many acts of rape, murder, and pedophilia as I want to in my lifetime. I can also say that number is exactly zero, and that number will not change. I did not require a religion to convince me that it was wrong to do those things to anyone."


If in the example of Christianity, one donates time at a homeless shelter, they do so because they want to do good works, and get in to heaven. Those may not necessarily be their only motivations, but on the surface, there is nothing inherently wrong with those motivations.

Say an atheist does the same thing. They donate time to a homeless shelter, because they feel it's the right thing to do. It doesn't matter if they believe they'll get into some incarnation of heaven (they probably don't believe that they would anyway, being atheist) but does their lack of belief in a religion somehow cheapen their actions, as compared to a theist? I personally conclude that someone who wants to volunteer their time will do so, regardless of their motivations - but ultimately, "It's the right thing to do" should be chief among them, shouldn't it?

The answer of course depends on who you ask, but there are religious organizations that have refused the help of atheist volunteers, even when those atheist groups have specifically promised to not advertise their views...simply because they are atheists. They still managed to find a way to provide assistance in this case, but one must wonder in regards to the soup kitchen: How moral is that refusal?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/08/16/after-getting-rejected-from-a-soup-kitchen-the-upstate-atheists-have-found-another-way-to-help-the-homeless/

In the aftermath of the tornadoes in Oklahoma this year, TIME magazine's Joe Klein inaccurately stated, "funny how you don’t see organized groups of secular humanists giving out hot meals" - when they in fact were not only present, but even working alongside some religious aid groups. Many atheist groups donated aid funds, too. When confronted about his blatant misrepresentation, he lied again. I have an extensive list of the groups involved, as detailed here:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/06/27/time-magazine-just-doubled-down-on-joe-kleins-inaccurate-anti-atheist-statements/
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I not much of a church goer but I do respect all beliefs. I noticed one thing most atheist are only atheist until that first bullet whizzes pass thier ear then they are the ones praying the loudest
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I not much of a church goer but I do respect all beliefs. I noticed one thing most atheist are only atheist until that first bullet whizzes pass thier ear then they are the ones praying the loudest


Uhm, no.
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uncletim wrote:

I not much of a church goer but I do respect all beliefs. I noticed one thing most atheist are only atheist until that first bullet whizzes pass thier ear then they are the ones praying the loudest


Uhm, no.


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I'm not religious and before someone says i'm going to hell I live not too far away from it. It's actually a nice looking place although it does get nasty icestorms sometimes. (google map hell)
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As a vet,... no. I wasn't swayed by whizzing bullets.
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I'm not religious, but I do believe in a higher power.

I think many people are religious, particularly those in difficult situations, to have religion as a place to find hope and a supportive community.

I believe in a higher power because I simply can't fathom all these beings and such coming from some rocks smashing together, and moreso where are those rocks from?? In all honesty, I don't know too much about the "big bang theory", so maybe I shouldn't open my mouth about it. . .
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uncletim wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:


uncletim wrote:

I not much of a church goer but I do respect all beliefs. I noticed one thing most atheist are only atheist until that first bullet whizzes pass thier ear then they are the ones praying the loudest


Uhm, no.


uum yes I have seen it



Explain it for me.
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Steelmonk wrote:

Very good. Keep your mind open. I'm a scientist and engineer, and I can tell you straight up that fundamental Atheism is as damaging to our social and scientific freedoms as fundamental Christians or Muslims etc. When you stop listening and deny others their foibles, then you as oppressive as they are. Some of the more scientifically ignorant people I have met were Atheists. Science is a logic tool which helps model and refine our perception of the Universe. It is not something to use to argue whether there is a God or not. Our total scientific knowledge base is nowhere near being able to determine this one way or another. We'd have to have time travel, dimensional travel, faster than light travel, and immortality to even start using science to determine whether there is a God or not. Atheism is just another belief and philosophical tool used by humans, just like religion and spirituality. It's all grist for the mill of the human mind. Savor it all! And keep your eyes open.


I know this athiest whom believes in an eternal Universe. I've also met this Christian whom believes evolution has no ground to stand on. Ignorance is universal.
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Explain it for me.


I think he is referring to the way people behave before they die, particularly athiests. A term for it would be "It is hard to be an athiest when you're dying" or something like that.
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Syndicaidramon wrote:


uncletim wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:


uncletim wrote:

I not much of a church goer but I do respect all beliefs. I noticed one thing most atheist are only atheist until that first bullet whizzes pass thier ear then they are the ones praying the loudest


Uhm, no.


uum yes I have seen it



Explain it for me.


I guess when your in a hellish spot you seek anything that might give you a bit of comfert or a slight edge. Not saying all atheis did this in fact most didn't but a few did
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minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:


Explain it for me.


I think he is referring to the way people behave before they die, particularly athiests. A term for it would be "It is hard to be an athiest when you're dying" or something like that.


also the old saying "There are no atheis in a foxhole"
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uncletim


I guess when your in a hellish spot you seek anything that might give you a bit of comfert or a slight edge. Not saying all atheis did this in fact most didn't but a few did


Thank you.
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I am religious, personally because I became unaware of what it means for me to really "live a good life" as I grew up (pre-teen years)
I had no direction, the hormones growing in on me, other inevitable unfortunate mishaps, and realizations as i explored more about the world. It was all too overwhelming for me, and at some point I found myself slowly sinking to my lowest point. I didn't know why I was alive, I had no purpose.

Religion doesn't necessarily assure you that you won't be going to "hell". It's your faith and what you believe in, and how you live by it that will really take you anywhere in terms of spiritual journey. There is no right or wrong religion, but it is definitely wrong to ridicule others for their beliefs. Some people grow up with it, others find it. Others have no care for it, presumably (if i may conclude) because they have firm control of their own lives. I didn't, and I still don't, so I choose to abide by faith.

Hope this inspires some people! xx
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jenapanese wrote:

I am religious, personally because I became unaware of what it means for me to really "live a good life" as I grew up (pre-teen years)
I had no direction, the hormones growing in on me, other inevitable unfortunate mishaps, and realizations as i explored more about the world. It was all too overwhelming for me, and at some point I found myself slowly sinking to my lowest point. I didn't know why I was alive, I had no purpose.

Religion doesn't necessarily assure you that you won't be going to "hell". It's your faith and what you believe in, and how you live by it that will really take you anywhere in terms of spiritual journey. There is no right or wrong religion, but it is definitely wrong to ridicule others for their beliefs. Some people grow up with it, others find it. Others have no care for it, presumably (if i may conclude) because they have firm control of their own lives. I didn't, and I still don't, so I choose to abide by faith.

Hope this inspires some people! xx

Well put to each thier own
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