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Posted 8/16/12

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I fall into the "Spiritual - not religious" category.


That's equally lame.... serious!
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shuyi000 wrote:


Billythesquid wrote:

I fall into the "Spiritual - not religious" category.


That's equally lame.... serious!



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Posted 8/16/12 , edited 8/16/12

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I used to be Buddhist but I'm agnostic now. I see agnosticism as the middle ground between religion and atheism.

I don't think I can be sure any god is real but, at the same time, it's hard to prove that god isn't real.


Nooo, it's pretty easy. You can use philosophy to make a hardcore religious person rethink about religion. All the things people say to prove god is real are absolutely ridiculous and child's play.

"Well who created us other than god?"

"No other being out there is as powerful as god, so he must created us!" << Can't ask this question unless you're assuming there is a god so this isn't even a counterproductive argument.

And what's with priest molesting children? This is not a false rumor, these things actually happens.

I don't think those are even valid arguments. A religion is separate from its followers.

It's not that easy to prove/disprove something as profound and unknown as the supernatural. It's actually very hard to prove that some things don't exist, especially if this entity is supposedly something we can't see, hear, smell, taste, etc. For instance, you can't prove to me that there isn't a gold-rimmed white mug in the orbit of Mars at this very moment. You can say why it is unlikely and we can interpret the unlikeliness as a 'doesn't exist,' but the off-chance is still there.


Those weren't arguments. Those were questions asked by theist. I am not even making an argument.

You are correct, it is not that easy to prove or disprove of something that is unknown. But first of all, you would have to tell me where did this concept of "gold-rimmed white mug in the orbit of Mars" come from? What is the reason for this to exist in the first place? What was the premises that led you to believe that such a thing exist?

For the concept of God, there are reasons of how this came to be. A few may be because humans are discomforted and needed something to put faith in, or maybe because humans are born with a degree of curiosity and anxiousness to work things out when they can not understand some things. In this case, humans often look into reality and think to themselves how does all these things exist ; the world, the beauty, the life, the shapes, the forms, the colors, etc. They cannot comprehend how they exists and assumed there must be a higher power somewhere that created them all, and that humans doesn't have the capacity to or can't possibly ever comprehend. A being that is said to be omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient - the Creator.

Now as you all could probably tell, I am an atheist. The reason I don't believe in a higher power is because I can not believe in something I have never seen before with my own eyes. The bible is nothing more to me than a fairy tale, a story to be told by the bonfires, gathered around by children waiting for some day they can tell the stories to other groups of kids with a side of their own fabricated part.

Plus I've seen, read, and heard of a lot of things that occurred in this world that very much contradicts the image of God.

If I have no choice but to believe in God, I would have to say I believe in God spiritually, nothing more than a feeling of comfort, liveness deep within the soul of oneself.

Alright, my bad. They are questions. Bad questions. The one about the priest doesn't even have anything to do with proving or disproving the existence of a higher power. The first questions are something that a religious, god-fearing person would ask. Of course an atheist wouldn't understand them. It is like asking a man what it feels like to have a period. He won't understand the question.

No offense intended, but using the inability to sense something in order to support the non-existence of something is not very good. We can't observe or sense that there are stars other than the ones we already know of, but we still 'know' that there are more stars than the ones we have seen. Even being able to sense something does not always mean that the senses are reliable. Crazy people don't usually think they are crazy.

A reason for something to exist? Do we really even know why some things exist? Why do the planets exist? We don't know why we exist. My being agnostic does not mean I might believe in a god, a supernatural entity (or more than one entity) that possesses all the exact traits ascribed to him/her/it by any known religion. I simply find it hard to dismiss something simply because I can't observe it. Such unfounded certainty makes me feel as though I am being too sure of myself, too cocky. I am simply saying 'I don't know for sure' because that's really all I can do. There is the chance, however slim, that there could have been or that there currently is or that there eventually will be a higher power. It does not mean that, if such a thing exists, that it will be something we have ever described in any known religion. It does not even mean that such an entity needs to be in this universe or in this dimension in order to exist.

Atheism denies the possibility that any higher power can possibly exist. In a reality known to be full of gray areas, being so certain about something we know don't fully understand seems unrealistic to me. To me, atheism is like a modern religion. Natural laws? Mathematics? Science? All these things are entirely artificial. These things require some faith to accept, not unlike religion. We've only been here for an insignificant amount of time compared to the planets and stars. To the universe, we are less than specks of dust. Really, what do we know?

...we can't answer that without fearing that we may know less that we think we do. To cope, we create systems that 'organize' the world around us so that we might seem to understand. Inconclusive results and I-don't-knows are dismissed as 'fake' or 'bad' even if they are questions we have no way of answering. Every question MUST have a definite answer. We simply can't tolerate not knowing something.
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Nepalese people like myself are Buddhist and Hindu, theres no difference between the two for us. The historical time when people took religion seriously are long gone, now a-days its more about the festivals (matsuri), dances, food and parades. It has more to do with keeping the cultural identity alive rather than with actual beliefs and jargons.
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I'm religious because it encourages me to be a good person. Religion taught me the virtues of being a good person, as well as gives me sort of a mental commitment to being that good person. I'm not the best religious person, as I've certainly committed my fair share of "sins." But religion also reminds me that just because I'm not perfect does not mean that its over, and I can choose to go back to being a good person if I wanted to.

I have a bunch of friends that are atheist (the result of attending a liberal arts college). They decided that religion has no place in their life and that in its extreme form it can be destructive (which I agree with as well), but they still know how to be good people. We all agree that people are entitled to whatever they want to believe in. Some people use it to define their life, some people use it as guidance and some people use it as a platform to cause harm to other people. There are many other things in this world that people can use for those purposes, like loyalty to a country or even a sports team. Ultimately, its people themselves that decide what to do with their beliefs.
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I'm religious but I connect God and science together. As in one of my points is, why does God's day and our day have to be the same? For all we know 1 day could equal 1000 years. There's a lot of things we don't know as humans but heres a picture that makes a lot of sense
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Well i guess im not that religious im devote to my beliefs in the bible and i love God. i guess i do this because at first i was just raised like this but later on in life i got sick and im in pain every day and science or doctors dont offer me any relief then my precious sister also got sick she is worse than i am if i didn't believe in the promises the bible gives us like no more pain or suffering or death or illness (rev 21:4) i think i would of killed myself or i would be a psychological mess. i dont believe in hell or that if u dont believe in god u will be punished in flames eternaly well because the bible doesnt say that so to all hell isnt a place all bad go to and heaven isnt a place all good go to read the bible u will learn. i hope i helped on ur curiosity man to sum it up if their is no truth behind the bible or god then we would all be lost trying to eternaly find a answer that doesnt exist. and im happy doing so bud
Posted 8/16/12

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I'm religious but I connect God and science together. As in one of my points is, why does God's day and our day have to be the same? For all we know 1 day could equal 1000 years. There's a lot of things we don't know as humans but heres a picture that makes a lot of sense


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A child I once knew wrote about a black hole that devoured light and brought pause to the universe, so for the universe to co-exist with this endless consumer of visions they surrounded the hole and navigated around it's desires to find a way to live in peace with it. I guess this child must be jesus for he knew the workings of a Black Hole before he was 7 lol Book isn't anything more then that.

Do I push my ideas on people? Sure as hell I do, people got there opinions and ideals from people like me pushing ourselves on them to begin with. If you honestly believed your crap to begin with you wouldn't even worry yourself with me pushing my logic unto yours. If I get into your head it means something was wrong with your original logic.

Equally, if you don't like the way things are said here you can kindly ask people to stop or leave the conversation, if I see any more whining I'm going to bring up a big chart of every time the bible contradicted itself and we can spend the next life time debating why the bible was a political tool and nothing more. For that's all that honestly matter when it comes to the bible: the outcome it has had on us. And it's outcome: Bad.

Religion was a stepping stone for our civilization to help guide it into a morale basis. Time to call it common knowledge now and start movin' on.


not sure if directed at me. if so first off what do you mean by gotten into my head? im not panicking or making mistakes im debating and pointing out flaws in the premise of your arguments (and invalidating them so far). i will concede that i do not know everyone about the bible and therefore at some point in this debate im going to have to spend some time studying.

secondly there are no contradictions in the bible i have read (new king james) and that is proveable. name me one contradiction and ill find you the answer. because first off every single so called contradiction ive seen has easily been proven false by anyone who knows the bible in depth (and especialy who understand the original languages as has studied and read them).

i know of one error in the translation of new king james myself. Jeremiah 50:9 (partway down) their arrows shall be like those of an expert warrior none shall return in vain. now first off the proper translation of the word used for arrows actualy means projectile and there is an inflection that is ignored in the translation that puts the intelligence in the projectile. so it should go something like
their arrows shall be like an expert warrior; none shall return in vain.

what modern tech does this sound like to you?

proverbs 18:13 he who gives an answer before he hears, it is folly and a shame to him
you should always view evidence with the possibility that you could be wrong. or else you make it harder to see the truth.
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Dropplet wrote:

I'm religious but I connect God and science together. As in one of my points is, why does God's day and our day have to be the same? For all we know 1 day could equal 1000 years. There's a lot of things we don't know as humans but heres a picture that makes a lot of sense


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actualy an interesting thing, an interesting theory is that during the creation there were time dilation like affects and so even tho it could have been billions of years it was also only 7 days. of course there are also a lot of more credible things than carbon dating for measuring the age of things and it may indeed be 6000 years give or take that is the age of the earth (also the accretion disk formation theory for the formation of the solar system has some fairly large problems with it.)
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Dropplet wrote:

I'm religious but I connect God and science together. As in one of my points is, why does God's day and our day have to be the same? For all we know 1 day could equal 1000 years. There's a lot of things we don't know as humans but heres a picture that makes a lot of sense


^


Lol I wonder where an agnostic would stand, according to this diagram..
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I'd just like to point out as a History major who has studied the time era. There is tons of historical evidence that the first Christians were not Catholic rather, they were non sanctioned believers that followed specific teachings and gospels in their own homes. They worshiped privately, preached pacifism, and most did not want a unified Christian church.

When the Catholic church was established, they then started to pick and choose which gospels were and were not "worship worthy". So from the very start the Catholic church was already distorting Jesus's teachings.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

Edit: As someone who was raised by a man with a Theology PhD degree from Cambridge (if you are educated you know how truly impressive that is) I just want people to be aware of a few things.

1.The bible is full of gospels, meaning it is written by many many different people. Not one single person wrote it, so yes, there are bound to be contradictions.

2.The book is not to be read and taken literal or as fact. A lot of the way it was written was to help try and explain our universe while also teaching a moral and ethical lesson.

3.As Science progresses there are tons of parts of the bible that are no longer relevant or correct. And just because of this, doesn't prove the entire book to be right or wrong. The moral and ethical teachings are still very important and relevant.

4.The problem with Religion is not Religion it self, its the majority of people who follow it blindly. Religion is an easy answer for a lot of uneducated people who don't want to think. They would rather just believe everything they read in a Book and not be forced into thinking for their own, which directly goes against what I believe Religion to be.

5.Religion is a GREAT thing that has been used horribly. Does every single person NEED Religion? No of course not, some people are able to create and find a morally good, way to live without ever needing to resort to Religion to teach them how.

6.Religion is different for every single person, so for you judge an entire group of people is just as moronic as the extremest that want to keep Gay marriage illegal. I do not blame the whole for the actions of extremists. The same way I do not fear or blame Islam for 9/11 or the terrorists that have killed so many. (We should not blame the gun that kills, rather the shooter)


^Everyone should just read this


i agree there is much good information here (notably everything above the edit.)
secondly it is written by many differnt people in the same way that a single book is written by many different type writers and authored by one person. next there are no contradictions that i have not seen resolved when using a literal translation that havent been caused by allegory of a different part of scripture (because they didnt want to believe it) and trying to say one bit says something different than what it says.

next yes it is.

three, not true provide an example.

four i would have to say no its when people take on line of the bible and ignore what the rest says that problems occur. next i would say dont follow blindly as well the bible can be proven.

the problem is a bunch of people got together and perverted what is said in the bible for their own use (and even tried to allegorize bits of it when the politicians werent happy with what they were preaching. such as jesus returning and casting down all rulers and reigning as our king.)

six. i dont judge them god does. neither do i hate them or act cruely to them god loves homosexuals just as much as any of us and hates their sins just as much as he hates mine.
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i wonder how much you know of quantum physics and the statistics on the likelihood of the big bang theory

Not my field of expertise, but with guidance I can probably handle most of the math for it.

Not to change the subject but.... Anyone else ever noticed how religious people claim knowledge of things they cannot know (revelation)?

Here's a question:

Why is it that only scientists know the secret formula? Priests and prophets didn't give us the chemical formula for Teflon, or DNA. If cleanliness is next to godliness, then why is it that only chemists discover new kinds of soap? The chemical formula for every kind of soap has technically always existed, even in a universe where the atoms required for them had yet to be formed, so why didn't God whisper these formula into any of these charlatan's ears? Why doesn't he do it today? There are plenty of soaps left which science hasn't found yet.

If you think God's word comes from truthful revelations, then why are you listening to priests and prophets? Listen to scientists! If that's how it works then we're the ones who God actually talks to, he whispers all the secret formulas into our ears when we sleep at night. That's why we know all of them, and the other side knows none of them. We know real and powerful truths about the universe and if you don't believe us, we'll show you the power atomic. And you'll be so impressed you'll put it in every stupid action movie for the next ten thousand years. Oh wait, we already did that... See, this is what I'm talking about, religious types never hear about anything cool. I think the evidence proves they're listening to the wrong hot-line. It's just nothing but, "hey, stop touching your crotch!" and "I can see you sinning down there..."


really? i dont get why you avoid my whole post and focus on that bit.

next because that wasnt their calling in life, their calling was service to the lord and spreading his word. next many of the greatest discoverys of history and greatest scientists of history were christian and found the clue that led them to their discovery's in the bible. (i will provide examples in an edit later)

secondly god doesnt tend to act that way, if he simply gave us all the answers we would become lazy. next from the way your talking i would think your knowledge of Christianity comes from Catholicism. which has twisted it around so much its hardly recognizable anymore. so again why do you simply insult me and provide no evidence for your claims? and those last bits >.> so far as i know the bible doesnt actualy condemn the first one (could be wrong on that one) second one, well cmon there are always arses that cling to something to try and feel superior the bible doesnt teach that it teaches we are all equaly screwed up and should help one another which that arrogant attitude does nothing to help.(let alone spread gods word which is one more reason why the bible condemns it. i mean look at the pharisee's).
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I respect all types of religions. I think I have a bias for eastern religions, since in America there's so much influence from Protestant factions - like the Jehovah's witness, Mormons, and especially Evangelicals who believe materialism will be reward for those who believe in Jesus.

I have nothing against Christianity, I am not implying that - but there's a couple of followers who like to shove it down everyone's throat.

I had this guy tell me from a flea market that Buddhism was a state of mind, Hinduism can't learn to believe one true god, Judaism was false, and Islam was a bunch of bulls**t stories. And to give Jesus a call to save my soul.

I have friends of every religion, devoted or not, and it angered me as much as to pity over the guy who just selling seashells.
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There is no evidence of a god, that is a fact...
The law of physics can exist from nothing, that is a fact.
You can get life from non-living things, that is a fact.

To believe in something you need evidence, not faith...!


>.> ..... you want proof? you say there is no evidence and that its a fact. without i would guess ever reviewing and trying to disprove the evidence that has been gathered (its rather massive).

secondly no, thats what you believe Proverbs 18:13 He that answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame unto him. there is just as much if not more support for the position that it didnt.

thirdly helllll no. entropy for one thing and the origin of information problem are two massive blocks to evolution. the statistics on the likelihood of evolution are so unlikely as to literally be considered by the scientific community absurd the number is larger than the suppose amount of seconds the universe is old (or maybe it was minutes or some such i forget hehe.

the faith is just for the fact that god usualy wont provide direct proof. and faith in his perfection and to do what he says.
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