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Jdaimond wrote:


Junoh315 wrote:


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love for Jesus is a work of god but religion is a man made envention

love for Jesus is the cure while religion is the infection.

religion says DO but Jesus says DONE

Religion says SLAVE. Jesus says SON

Religion puts you in bondage but Jesus sets you free.

Religion makes you blind. Jesus makes you see

Thats why religion and god are two seperate things.

religion is man searching for God. Christianaty is GOD SEARCHING FOR MAN.


I'm sorry but this is extremely scary to me. Christianity is a religion. It's just a modified Judaism and has the same God. Therefore who would be correct? Judaism follows the original practices while Christianity has been modified so that it's more acceptable.

I really don't get why people decide that Christianity is better than Judaism or Islam. They all worship the same God but hate each other and say that they're wrong. Christianity is currently the largest religion; Judaism is the root of Christianity and Islam; and I don't really know enough about Islam to comment about it, I am interested in it though from a scholar's point of view.

Blind faith is something that nobody should have. Ask as many questions about anything that piques your curiosity until you get the answer yourself. If someone tells you not to think certain things or ask certain questions then you shouldn't ever trust that person. This is the reason why I have no faith. Too many people have said that I'm asking the "wrong questions" when asking about my faith when I was a child. There are no wrong questions, never think that you have to think a certain way just because your beliefs contradict with it. When a belief contradicts a fact then it is not the fact that is wrong.


First if you didnt understand what my message ment than thats your fault.
secondly i do not have blind faith if you would have read my message better i said RELIGION MAKES YOU BLIND, JESUS MAKES YOU SEE. ive actualy researched the bigbang, evolution, lots of religions and even ISLAM. All the things are built on stupid theories and if you think me loving jesus is scary than read into islam, that is some scary shit, here is one of the verses out of thequaren(thier bible)

Did you know - Quran (4:34) orders a man to beat his wife if she doesn't obey him?

Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Now what if i told you ive seen the way god works. you would say thats bull, so i wont tell you.
Your probably thinking this is my personality(tries to be perfect, always shoves religion down other peoples throats, snotty, and even blind.
If that is what you think you are mistaken, i probably make a thousand more mistakes than you. Your obviously smarter than me(ive made a bunch of errors in this message). You are probably even a better person than me, But what if your wrong, what if there is a jesus who got beat and killed for us. What kind of person are you than. You know what he said ''forgive them father for they know not what they've done''. im not shoving my religion down anybodys throat im just defending myself. Here is more stuff on islam
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/apostates/abulk/articles/whyislamiswrong.htm




It's understandable that you'd defend your religion, but you have misunderstood my intentions. I was only saying that Christianity is still a religion and that it was originally part of a different religion. We are not supposed to worship anyone other than God according to Christian beliefs yet people continue to pray to Jesus and his mother, Mary.

It's good that you actually studied other theories though, not many religious people seem to accept anything that goes against their religion. I wouldn't say that I'm smarter than you, the only difference between you and me that I know of is that I don't believe in God the same way as you. I want to believe that he exists but there is no proof either way so I can not say for certain if he truly does exist. I only hope that blind faith disappears from the face of our planet since it causes incidences like the Westboro Baptist Church and the Crusades.

I suppose I do have to apologize for misunderstanding your first post though.


Thats a great way to end an argument, but you still dont understand one thing. You can be a christian and not actually love jesus and like wise you can love jesus and not be a christain. ive seen it all too many times. Funny story actually, I went to this church one time and on the superbowl everybody came together and prayed for that towns favorite team to win. To make it worse they aired the superbowl live, IN THE CURCH, and guess which superbowl that was. it was the one where justin timberlake pulled down janet jacksons shirt . About 50 kids saw it. MY dad went nuts and we got kicked out. If thats christianity than im not christain I just simply love god.

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I am a Catholic Christian because my Faith is beautiful and I love the Most Holy Eucharist. There is proof out there that God exists, and it's not hard to find. Even science can't give reasons why the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe still exists in Mexico. According to science, it should have disintegrated hundreds of years ago, but it's still there. Thanks to the Blessed Mother, there were 9 million converts to Catholicism. Praying to Mary isn't wrong. Actually, when you pray to her you are asking for her intercession. It is the same as asking a friend on earth to pray for you or with you. Mary is sinless and the Mother of Jesus. She has the highest honor in heaven next to Jesus. When you ask her to pray with you, your prayers are much stronger. It also makes Our Lord happy. ^_^
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All religions are used for mind control.
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-Vega- wrote:

All religions are used for mind control.


well said.
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i believe in someone higher but i also believe that work must be done alone to get recognition.
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Nope.
God cannot reward a believer simply for the sake of believing. God cannot blame a skeptic simply for attempting to seek the truth logically. Even if God factually exists, It would not be able to pass judgment unless Its existence is scientifically grounded, which is not the case.
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I have no problem with people believing what they will. But i think the second you deny a gods existance, just because it cant yet be scientifically proven, is denying the possibility of anything that you dont currently think exists, exists. How can science progress if it stays inside the box?its people who think what people of the time thought was impossible, that bring progress. Denying somethings existance because you cannot currently prove it, is denying progress. Believe it or not, science and religion have to coexist, and its possible to look at it in ways in which they can both be true, and make perfect sense.
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You misunderstood. I never denied God’s existence even if I said I do not BELIEVE in God. A believe by itself means nothing; anyone can believe literally anything. I decided not to believe in God as much as you committed to believe in God; it does not mean I refute God or that you have proven God exists. Have I said God has been scientifically negated, I would have denied God’s existence. Get it?
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neumaus wrote:

These conversations, unfortunately, almost always turn into a spam-fest
How odd; both religious and non-religious must always poke fun at each other.
It's also interesting, how these topics are almost always atheist vs Christians. Poor Christians take a lot of heat from people.



As an atheist myself, I have never in my life experienced any religion except for Christians giving me crap about my lack of faith. I have had people that became born-again, that were my friends, and then didn't want to be anymore. I have had Christian politicians try to legislate their faith, and they continue to do so now. It is Christians who changed the Pledge of Allegiance in the United States to reinforce their faith over schoolchildren- kids too young to know or make their own decisions about faith. It is Christians in the South who use religion to oppress and keep oppressed their population.

Not Jews, not Muslims, not Sikhs, not Buddhists, and not Hindus. And I have friends from all of these faiths. They are not nearly so annoying, so oppressive, and so hypocritical as Christians.

The Christian faith is "join or burn forever." They always go on about their loving god, but apparently he is very petty because if I don't kiss his butt every Sunday I apparently deserve eternal damnation or something. That doesn't sound like a god, it sounds like a demon, a demon that would need to be slayed if we even went to an afterlife.

I won't be ruled by fear. I won't tolerate legislation based on fear and ignorance. I am more than happy to tolerate any faith; by all means, worship whomever and whatever you want. But if you wouldn't appreciate the Muslim, or the Buddhists, or whomever forcing their faith on you, how do you think atheists feel?

I suppose this all sounds rather irritated, and it is especially in election season. Bottom line, if we could all just let each other live by the Golden rule, and not force all of the faith issues on each other, I wouldn't say a word about your flying spaghetti monster.

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My friend, the golden rule has major loopholes. -_-
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warpdrive wrote:

You misunderstood. I never denied God’s existence even if I said I do not BELIEVE in God. A believe by itself means nothing; anyone can believe literally anything. I decided not to believe in God as much as you committed to believe in God; it does not mean I refute God or that you have proven God exists. Have I said God has been scientifically negated, I would have denied God’s existence. Get it?


Very good. There is an important language distinction between denying a god and lacking a belief in a god. For one, you can't prove a negative. Those remain theories. However, all it takes is one affirmative hypothesis that can be reproducibly verified to prove something.
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My friend, the golden rule has major loopholes. -_-


Do tell.
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"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
In theory, you could justify an immoral act. If all it takes is to accept the same magnitude of immorality back, one could commit an immoral act and justify it base on the golden rule. However, no immorality is justifiable.
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I consider myself spiritual, not religious. I've been an agnostic Taoist (Spiritual Taoist, i.e. no religious component) for the last 20 years, but was raised Catholic. I acknowledge that there may be powerful beings out there that humans might consider gods, and I don't know enough to concede that any particular religion has it "right." The only thing I have faith in, is that I must leave this world at least a little better off than it was when I entered it. It's a vague life goal, but that's perfectly fine with me. The criteria aren't set in stone, and I won't know if I truly accomplished it until I'm about to die. I can live with this.

Religious texts were written by humans, and things may have been distorted, lost in translation, or simply omitted. Beliefs change over time, along with society. Women aren't considered property anymore, and marriage is no longer a contract between a husband and the wife's father, with livestock and/or land to seal the deal. Yes, the woman was effectively sold to the man, and she became his property. (That was considered "traditional marriage", too - for those who like to bandy about that term to discriminate now.)

One could also say that I'm standing up for what I don't believe in.

I've never believed that one needs to worship a particular deity in order to be a good person. Conversely, I strongly believe that worship of a deity does not inherently make a person good (or even a better person, for that matter.) What matters most are our actions, and the content of our character. In the code I live by, societal laws aside, the only consciences we have to answer to are our own, and we also must be fully responsible for our own actions. It's not an easy code to live by, however. One can't blame a god, much less other people, for actions that were fully under their own control.

There is enough pain and sadness in this world caused by things we can't fully control - diseases, acts of nature, death itself - and people still insist on causing more pain for others. At times, religion is used as a tool (or more to the point, a scapegoat) to that end. Whether it's used to exclude others from society, deny people rights, or "justify" murder, people would still be more than willing to commit these acts even without a religious motivation. Having a religious justification just makes them feel better about the pain they seek to cause.

Life is harsh enough as it is, and there are plenty of people (religious or not) seeking to alleviate some of that pain in the world around them...there just aren't enough of them. Hell, I'm not expecting all sunshine and rainbows, here. I'm not expecting a world without conflict, because it's not going to happen in my lifetime, if ever. But some people might actually get a bit more fulfillment in their lives if we could open our minds a little bit more, and not try to tear each other down so much.

Tl;dr: It's not about how you worship, or who; it's all about how you live.
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I was raised a Catholic, but around the age of 16 I went my own path. I believe in the Godz of space!! Their out there, and when they come to our planet we will be punished by what we have done to the planet. Until then, I live my life through my own morals and values and try to live life as best as I can. I may not believe in religion, but I tolerate and respect all of them. Just don't try to push you're beliefs on me..
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