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Posted 4/5/13
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Not religious aswell.

Atheist as science has shown to be more precise and likely than God's/Jesus's methods.
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According to your original post I got the impression that you believe that most Christians are rational, happy go lucky friendly people while those evil Agnostics were irrational and impossible to civilly have discussions with. Or in other words, it came across as "Christian Persecution Complex" type reasoning.


In a sense, wheras it pertains to the internet then yes. If I were to go to any online forum, or hell any site that has a chat function for that matter. And simply post "God has a burning love for all his creation" I'd get flamed off the site (or at least attempted to)

The Internet is the Agnostic playground, the place that "fairminded, open individuals" roam. Yet they are quick to blast anything they disagree with at full volume and vulgarity, with spite and sarcasm.

Which kinda paints a relative picture of the whole collective.
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DuelistGio wrote:
Parting note, I've never from my experience of 12 years have had a civil debate from anybody that claims to be Agnostic, (there is no Atheist, you have zero proof of nothing)


Then wouldn't that make everyone(athiest, christian, etc..) agnostic since there is no proof for or against a god existing?


You should look up the definition of the word, Christians have faith; which replaces proof. They are decidedly Christian, but in a technical sense it's not like they have a handwritten work pertaining to it or anything like that.

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i am in the middle. though i have a belief but not that religious.
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Posted 4/5/13

DuelistGio wrote:


According to your original post I got the impression that you believe that most Christians are rational, happy go lucky friendly people while those evil Agnostics were irrational and impossible to civilly have discussions with. Or in other words, it came across as "Christian Persecution Complex" type reasoning.


In a sense, wheras it pertains to the internet then yes. If I were to go to any online forum, or hell any site that has a chat function for that matter. And simply post "God has a burning love for all his creation" I'd get flamed off the site (or at least attempted to)

The Internet is the Agnostic playground, the place that "fairminded, open individuals" roam. Yet they are quick to blast anything they disagree with at full volume and vulgarity, with spite and sarcasm.

Which kinda paints a relative picture of the whole collective.


If you were to go to any online chat and type in Justin Bieber or Twilight you would get the same reply so it has nothing to do with Agnostic or whatever gibberish argument you are trying to make.
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Posted 4/5/13
I am not religious. Growing up I had to go to church every Sunday for the first 13-14 years of my life and hated every bit of it. I never got anything out of it and whenever I questioned it at Sunday school or anyone else the only answer I ever got was "it is in the Bible." I think in that time period the only thing that forcing me to go to church did was make me hate and resent religion even more than I already did.

Now I don't care if others believe or are religious, but don't bring it up to me unless you want my honest opinion about it (which most of the time they don't want to hear it) and it isn't a very good one.

Having said that believe what you want to believe.
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Actually, in a sense, it's about the exact same as what I'm saying for one.
And two, I'm not making an argument, just responding to those who make statements to my original statement.

Which wasn't argumentative at all, but my answer to the question of "are you religious and why"
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Posted 4/5/13

DuelistGio wrote:


Karnrage wrote:


DuelistGio wrote:
Parting note, I've never from my experience of 12 years have had a civil debate from anybody that claims to be Agnostic, (there is no Atheist, you have zero proof of nothing)


Then wouldn't that make everyone(athiest, christian, etc..) agnostic since there is no proof for or against a god existing?


You should look up the definition of the word, Christians have faith; which replaces proof. They are decidedly Christian, but in a technical sense it's not like they have a handwritten work pertaining to it or anything like that.



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic

yea.... don't see anything about proof or faith.

Now I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just pointing out a flaw in your definition (which is inaccurate) of what a person can claim to be. An atheist doesn't need proof to be one or at least no more than say a christian needs, it really comes down to belief for both groups.
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I used to be a fallen-away Catholic. When I look back on those days, I was never happy. I was hateful, racist, self-centered, and lustful. Turning away from God got me nowhere. When I returned, I saw how stupid I was and changed. For me to have such a drastic turnaround in only about a year's time doesn't seem like a coincidence. God is as real as you and me.
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I believe in God because (in short) "What is prior is nearer to the first principle; therefore where there is no first principle, nothing is essentially prior" and "The totality of things that are caused is dependent, but not upon something which is a part of this totality ; otherwise a thing would be dependent upon itself"
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@ DuelistGio: how does faith replace proof? Faith is sometimes what people use when they don't like what the proof spells out for them. That in no way invalidates the reality that the faith position may be the incorrect one, while proof clearly shows what is possibly correct. I'm talking about any arguable topic in general.

There is clearly a distinction between atheists and agnostics but in reality either theists or atheists probably includes all of humanity. And agnostic is a separate category that can be applied to either of those groups.

This is because theism (or atheism) is a question of whether you believe or not. The question isn't asking about proof or knowledge.

Agnosticism is a statement of knowledge or knowability of God's existence, which may pertain to proof or it may not. You can, without proof, claim that the existence of God is unknowable (whether or not you are a believer).

Personally I believe that we can attain knowledge that God doesn't exist, in fact ANY position that supports a godless universe (including atheism) requires that we know a few things about the universe to help us recognize theists claims are possibly false. In other words all atheists know or suspect a certain degree about the non-existence of God.
Posted 4/5/13
I am an atheist.
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Posted 4/5/13
I'm not a religious person. As Carl Sagan once said, "We are, in the most profound sense, children of the cosmos." I think that we are a part of something bigger than we can ever truly hope to understand and that we can't let our petty issues interfere with the progression of the human race. I'm not saying that people shouldn't believe in any religion; I believe that everyone has the right to believe in whatever they want and that they should be allowed to practice their faith without anyone preventing them from doing so.

The problem I do have is when these crazy religious nut-jobs try to enforce their religion onto other people and tell them that God said that this was the way things are supposed to be, while completely neglecting the fact that human beings have absolutely no idea what God or the gods would actually want. After all, every single religious text (Bible, Koran, Torah, etc.) throughout history have been written by man, not by God. Not the mention the violent history of every religion that has ever existed because people chose to believe in a different God than what others would want (the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition comes to mind). Ideology is a poor substitute for kindness and decency. At the end of the day, it is our actions, not our beliefs, that define who and what we are.
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Posted 4/5/13
I'm religious but RAZ isnt... not really a big deal though.
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