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Post Reply are you religious? if so, why?
Posted 5/3/13 , edited 5/3/13

Spazticus wrote:

The text in bold is precisely the reason religion must hold its share of the blame. Yes, people are to blame for their actions, and when religion is the motivating factor for the actions of some of its adherents, one cannot logically divorce the two. When religion is not just an excuse, but a blueprint even, for how one can avoid being prosecuted for bullying, (as just one example, in the case of Michigan law: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDK-ja8PLgg) then you cannot logically claim that religion has no involvement in the matter. Religion was the reason that the exception in this was added in the first place, and it is a blatant violation of the Establishment Clause. Your right to free speech in regards to religion stops at the point where it infringes on the rights of others, at least, that is the way it's supposed to be - and that is irrespective of what religion it is.


I do see where you're coming from but what moral and religion reasons did they use?

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Marsev wrote:
I do see where you're coming from but what moral and religion reasons did they use?


The exception they added was that if the person accused of bullying, whether they were a parent, student or faculty member, had claimed that it was motivated by religious reasons, then the schools could not pursue disciplinary or legal action. This was of course open to abuse, by anyone who wanted to bully someone and get away with it. The religion in question may not matter on paper, but consider that it was legitimizing the bullying of gay kids, or anyone at all, as long as the perpetrator(s) claimed that religion compelled them to do it.
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Marsev wrote:
I do see where you're coming from but what moral and religion reasons did they use?


The exception they added was that if the person accused of bullying, whether they were a parent, student or faculty member, had claimed that it was motivated by religious reasons, then the schools could not pursue disciplinary or legal action. This was of course open to abuse, by anyone who wanted to bully someone and get away with it. The religion in question may not matter on paper, but consider that it was legitimizing the bullying of gay kids, or anyone at all, as long as the perpetrator(s) claimed that religion compelled them to do it.


Yes thank you, as I've edited my previous post. Hatred compelled them to do this. Again, omissions to justify their needs tsk.
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heyitsthatguy wrote:

I just wrote a paper in my philosophy class on why the world no longer needs organized religion. It basically boiled down to religion being one of the main driving forces of terrorism and violence, an enabler of discrimination, and a significant inhibitor of scientific progress. I'm not saying that a belief in some supernatural force is bad, and if it gives you hope or happiness then fantastic, but as soon as you start forcing your beliefs on someone else (like the reverend red text jr. a few posts up), that is when religion does more harm than good to society.

But that doesn't mean I'm on team atheism either. Atheists can be massive douches about their beliefs as well. And I view atheism as almost as much of a religion as Christianity or Islam (but without all the hate, violence, and condemnation of science), because it is impossible to know what happens after you die. I hate a cocky atheist just as much as I hate an overly religious bigot. Basically think of Bill O'Reilly vs Bill Maher. They are both just terrible excuses for human beings.

Basically, I live by the rule of "don't be a douchebag". As long as you live by this rule, you will be following the gist of most religions, and if you are not religious, then you will not be remembered as a douchebag when you die. So it is basically a win win for everyone.


I think you're talking about corruption and greed. There is always an underlying reason as to why evil people force a religion on someone else. It's usually for them to be at the helm. What changed religion is leadership. There where people who manipulated it to their own gain. Expeditions not to spread religion but to overthrow existing leaderships, enslaved people under new forms of slavery, exploitation etc... What’s happening today in religious countries with wars and stuff is not the fault of religion but rather a few elites who’ve chosen to keep the wealth unevenly distributed.

I'm not saying that what you are saying is wrong but there is more to it than meets the eye. If people where really religious they wouldn't be blaming their wrong doings on supernatural beings, this is a very clever way to divert the attention of what's really happening.

I don't know much about atheism but from how the people are further being divided, i believe the term is molding people into creating further divisions. Think about the significance of "Terrorism", this word has surely taken a life of its own, creating new individual laws etc..

How far do we go back to figure out where the seed has been planted?

Futhermore, you've mentioned some men who are atheist and religious but why does what they believe or not believe even matter? It matters only because they are using it to find a specific demographic. A person should look past their belief or disbelief and judge them on what they say. Otherwise the power is to them.


This is why I said "organized" religion is bad for the world. There are countless tales of religious individuals that have done nothing but good and have not been influenced by corruption, greed, or fanatical beliefs. Religion itself is not bad, many share the same overall theme of doing good and helping the less fortunate and whatnot. But because many religions were formed and the "sacred texts" were written thousands of years ago, there are values in them that reflect their respective time periods (women having almost no rights, racial discrimination, homosexuality being evil). It all goes wrong when these values are taken to heart and taught to the masses.
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heyitsthatguy wrote:

This is why I said "organized" religion is bad for the world. There are countless tales of religious individuals that have done nothing but good and have not been influenced by corruption, greed, or fanatical beliefs. Religion itself is not bad, many share the same overall theme of doing good and helping the less fortunate and whatnot. But because many religions were formed and the "sacred texts" were written thousands of years ago, there are values in them that reflect their respective time periods (women having almost no rights, racial discrimination, homosexuality being evil). It all goes wrong when these values are taken to heart and taught to the masses.


I'd like to add that, every time there was a new revolution so much effort was behind it. Looking at some of these revolutions you'll notice that the main issues where certain fears (fears that made them behave in horrible ways) and implementing the change which showed the people that what they feared did not hurt them was the important thing. E.g. giving rights to women, homosexuals as well as other races. Most of all, there are values achieved only from the effort of masses banding together. You can't be sure whether before these religions any rights existed or how countries compared to one another. What's for sure is that it comes down to transition. Peoples suspicions of their own actions, how religion was implemented and the need to seek truth from “facts”. At the end of the day, the past has shaped the present. Isolating religion organizations as scapegoats doesn’t do much for transition. Reflection is good in order to create more empowerment.
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No. I was brought up a christian and did become one myself in my late teens. But I'm an atheist now.
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I'm religious because my beliefs are worth believing in. Life just feels like so much more with faith.



^ same. I thought religion was stupid but then religion was the only thing that could supress my bipolar disorder. And then I studied it a bit & i find my beliefs worth believing in.
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I do not believe in gods, spirits, or anything like that. Why?, Because it has no base. The religion did much more damage than help.
There were myths, legends and religions to explain things our limited knowledge of the universe can not. Just because we do not have an answer yet, we should not believe in something random.
Some people need religion, so there is nothing to do.
The path of reason that I find it is better for the simple fact that we have not a final truth, no such thing exists, we can believe in things more improbable, even crazy if it is supported by evidence and proof. A religious receives its truth written in stone, such a thing does not make sense.
We are a young race, we must continue our way.
Sorry for my english!, and of course all of this is from my limited POV!
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I am a Christian. I believe that God is love and we should be accepting of all people. Jesus meets people where they're at. If you are feeling judged by a Christian, then I'm sorry. God is still God even if his followers are imperfect.
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I am a Christian. I believe that God is love and we should be accepting of all people. Jesus meets people where they're at. If you are feeling judged by a Christian, then I'm sorry. God is still God even if his followers are imperfect.


Perhaps some of them should follow the example of "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Were that the case, many of us would feel less threatened by adherents of organized religion. Also, not all of us want to live in a theocracy, and would prefer to not merge religious beliefs and federal law, thanks. If they don't want to be thought of as judging people, then they shouldn't be condemning anyone, by a religious standard that the people they condemn (out of "love", presumably) may not follow. That's logical and fair, isn't it?

Is it any less judgmental if they do it, compared to when someone of another religion does it? The Golden rule applies here. You shouldn't treat anyone else by a standard by which you also wouldn't like to be treated, and to suggest otherwise is hypocritical. No amount of "then I'm sorry" comments will ever make that okay.
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My view on religion is I just don't care. Whether there is a heaven or hell, it just doesn't matter. We will never know what happens after we expire on this plane. Death is just a point in time. You cannot change time, so why worry about something you can not change? Just live your life however you want to. You are God of your own life. Unexpected challenges will come your way. What you do or don't do about it is your decision. Your choices will be what affects your outcome. None of this has to do with an omnipotent being.

That being said, if you want to believe in an omnipotent being(s), that is your choice. Plenty of positive things have come from people believing in their religion. It changes their life for the better. Don't judge anyone by their beliefs, for they are THEIR beliefs. They have made that choice to suit their life. But this could become a problem in your life too. Like jihad and the other holy wars that are going on in the world. Religion isn't behind this... People who have made the choice to exploit religion are to blame. So don't discount religion as being evil or good. Religion is just a thought. Thoughts can not be evil or good, for there is no real outcome of a thought. The actions that are made on the basis of the thought are what can be considered as good or evil.
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I am very religious because it just gives me something to believe in and it makes me happy. I'd rather live a life thinking I have a purpose in life and going to heaven than be not believing and feeling like I was here just by chance.

For all of you who say you don't have a religion and are athiest actually do have a religion. Athiesim is a religion, it's the religion of not believing in a God. Yes you may not go to a place of worship BUT is something that you put first in your life. It could be money, science, or even yourself.

I know Christianity is flawed but what isn't in this world? People expect us to be perfect but we're not. So what if our bible may have flaws in it? Maybe it isn't flawed. it might be that we either read it wrong or there's things there we don't know. Science is flawed sometimes like for example, evolution that we came from apes. So far we have not proven that theory so we don't know it's true.

For some reason people get this crazy idea that Christians or anyone with a religion think the world is magic and we don't believe in science. For me I believe in science a lot and I usually mix it with God. Like for instance the Big Bang Theory. Maybe that's how God created the world. Though you cannot say that a lot of the stories in the bible aren't true because a lot of it has evidence of it happening and is written in a lot of other religions.

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