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I dislike arguments like the one occurring above, I wish both sides could simply agree to disagree.

As long as arguments can remain civil, I think they are good. The way I see it, how else can we understand one another? =)

Btw, I like your Hiro avatar. I loved the Lunar games as well.


Suikojay has the right mindset when looking at these discussions. Just think of it as the other person respecting you enough to be honest in expressing their views. I certainly would not be candid toward my coworkers at work but when I hang out with my cousin who is a pastor I hold nothing back. We appreciate each other communicating honestly even if I think he is delusional and he thinks I'm going straight to hell to burn for eternity.
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I'm Catholic Christian. I think atheism is silly and doesn't make any sense. God, the Bible and science actually make sense not like Atheism and man made up theories. Don't like what I said? I don't care. I don't expect anyone to understand or RESPECT my beliefs just like I might not understand or respect yours... Because if I did then it'd make me weak on my beliefs... STAY TRUE TO YOURSELF and stop crying when other try to convert you... Instead assert your own beliefs or just simply say not interested... Stop being a bunch of cry babies.


Just curious if you think it makes sense for the catholic church to shuttle pedofile priests to different locations for the sole purpose of keeping these sex predators from the reaches of the law?

Does it make sense to pressure members to direct deposit a certain percentage of their income to the church?

Does it make sense for a priest to advise a member not to attend her best friend's wedding because that friend is marrying a presbyterian husband instead of a catholic husband?

All true stories I'm not making any of this up.
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OKAY TRY TO AT LEAST RESEARCH FURTHER BEFORE SAYING THE BIBLE IS FALSE. YOU WILL SEE THE EVIDENCE THAT PROVE THE BIBLE IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. HOW CAN YOU SAY IT IS FALSE WHEN YOU DIDN'T EVEN RESEARCH. THE BIGGEST EVIDENCE COMES FROM ARCHEOLOGICAL RESEARCH.


Look, since the Bronze age when imaginative shepherds wrote the first fantasy novel known as the bible, people have claimed evidence that will prove the existence of the events written in the bible. Every single time that "evidence" has been refuted as fraud or mistakes. There are no magical archaeology finds of noah's ark, or the ten commandments, or anything that proves any of the stories in the bible. That is fact. You can continue to write in caps, keep claiming evidence, but the fact is you have not mentioned one single evidence and that is not a coincidence.


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I don't believe atheist exist because GOD IS REAL. You are merely agnostic. Atheist are people who research heavily and found that there is no God. I don't think you have been researching a lot. Try reading the whole bible and tell me if you think what you think about it. Even if there are many possibilities, the possibility of my God creating everything as we know it is great because how the stars are so uniquely placed even some scientists have found themselves to believe in some greater being creating everything that we know.


Atheists just means someone who does not believe in the existence of god. Agnostic is someone who doesn't know and believes that certain things are possibly unknowable. Intelligent design is the very opposite of intelligent. The possibility of your god creating the world as described in the genesis is zero due to the self-evident inconsistencies.


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Look here you MAY THINK THAT. But people also see just dying on earth and not having afterlife is stupid. And you are presuming reality as without living eternally, but God grants us the access simply by having an intimate relationship. If you want to believe then go for it, nothing is holding you back except for your beliefs. And I think you are misunderstanding religion. If you think religion is about one's morality you are wrong. I don't believe that religion is good because it is a very worldly view on what we believe.


You are misunderstanding the whole point. It's not about what I want or choose to believe, it is about what evidence do we have. There is no evidence of eternal life. All evidence point toward life ceasing at death, as depressing as that thought is to all of us.


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But what I believe is that I have an intimate relationship with God. It is NOT mortality, but simply it is about GOD. I don;t know if you have experienced miracles or signs or even Christians trying to reach out to you, but God is compelling me through the Holy Spirit to open up your heart to the idea that He exist in your life and He wants you to be his son. God simply wants a relationship with you THAT IS IT! He wants your complete obedience and faith.


You do not have an "intimate relationship" or any relationship with god because god doesn't exist. It is all in your head. I never understood why religious people always say they are not religious and instead say they have a "relationship with god" do they teach that propaganda rhetoric to you guys in church? Religious = cult = relationship with god = whatever, semantics is not important. Let's call a spade what it is.

I don't understand how your god is able to communicate that he wants you to "open my heart?" Did you share or tweet my previous post to heaven and he responded? How exactly does that work? And btw, the answer is no. I'm not going to be obedient or faith to the so-called god unless he or she is 1) real, and 2) worthy of respect. From what I've read in the bible, the answer to both is a resounding NO.


There is evidence but your being too stubborn to look at the evidence. You keep saying there is no evidence but you're not even proving that there is no evidence. It is not enough for me to reach out to you. God alone can change your heart and if that day comes you will have the evidence before you.
God does exist and heaven exists. Seeing is not believing just because you don't see God doesn't mean He doesn't exist. Let's just say that your dad is off somewhere, but you don't know if he is alive or not. it is a matter of believing.
And you're misunderstanding what a cult is. Do you even know what a cult is? A cult is when a religion is unorthodox. Christianity is not unorthodox. It says in the bible that God wants to have a relationship with you. Jesus Christ said to pray like this our father who art in heaven.... Using that first line here, Jesus Christ told us to call God our father and we are his children. (Matthew 6:9-13) (Galatians 3:26) What cults do is put some biblical truth, but puts lies like for example Since Jesus Christ died for our sins we don't need to pray anymore. that is not biblically true. Everything I say us true to the bible if you really did read the bible. You may say you read the bible, but you have to actually read the bible to get what I am saying.

Just point out He is definitely real and apparently you are obviously taking everything I am saying and making no sense out of it. Your always implying and implying.
He is worthy of respect because God had sacrificed His son, Jesus Christ to die for our sins. Not only that, God is still with us today through his Holy Spirit (John 16:13-15)
If this cannot help you since I had to pull an all-nighter because of you, then God will work into your heart and God will give you an opportunity to rely on God or you can choose not to it is all up to you at this point. I will pray that you will not be misguided by your beliefs.
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Does it make sense to pressure members to direct deposit a certain percentage of their income to the church?.

Not arguing on this one, though I was raised Catholic. In my personal experience, there was never any pressure to tithe any amount, nor was there ever any hint of shaming of those who didn't tithe at all. I have definitely seen that though, to the point of certain churches requiring tithing in order to even attend services there, and public announcements of those that didn't tithe.
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I believe Jesus took it up the butt from Satan nightly and loved it.
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Regardless of who said it, it's still a good and valid quote.
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Regardless of who said it, it's still a good and valid quote.


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airmaster2000 wrote:
There is evidence but your being too stubborn to look at the evidence. You keep saying there is no evidence but you're not even proving that there is no evidence. It is not enough for me to reach out to you. God alone can change your heart and if that day comes you will have the evidence before you.


All the supposedly archaeological finds, holy objects, shrouds, have been exposed as fraud or mistakes. If you have new evidence then by all means tell us. What are the best evidences in your opinion? List them and we can discuss whether they are valid or not.


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God does exist and heaven exists. Seeing is not believing just because you don't see God doesn't mean He doesn't exist. Let's just say that your dad is off somewhere, but you don't know if he is alive or not. it is a matter of believing.


Let's use my dad then as an example; if my dad is "off somewhere," I know he exists because there are evidence he exists. Past evidence would be him raising me from baby to adult, providing for me and my sister. Current evidence would be OH YEAH I CAN SEE HIM AND TALK TO HIM. Even if we are at difference places, we can talk on the phone, communicate via Whatsapp, skype, and other many forms on tangible god on the other hand, does not exist. There are zero evidence period. If you want to blindly believe in fictional characters, then why not believe in Santa Claus or the Easter bunny? Why not believe in Zeus or Anubis or Buddha? I will use your logic against you- why don't you prove and have evidence that all these characters do not exist? Prove that Easter bunny doesn't exist.


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And you're misunderstanding what a cult is. Do you even know what a cult is? A cult is when a religion is unorthodox. Christianity is not unorthodox. It says in the bible that God wants to have a relationship with you. Jesus Christ said to pray like this our father who art in heaven.... Using that first line here, Jesus Christ told us to call God our father and we are his children. (Matthew 6:9-13) (Galatians 3:26) What cults do is put some biblical truth, but puts lies like for example Since Jesus Christ died for our sins we don't need to pray anymore. that is not biblically true. Everything I say us true to the bible if you really did read the bible. You may say you read the bible, but you have to actually read the bible to get what I am saying.


A cult is what you call other religious groups that does not share your same propaganda. To you, maybe mormons and catholics are cults. Maybe to you seven day adventists and scientology are cults. But guess what? To them, they are true christians and you are the cult. It just depends on who you ask. The truth is that the religion business is a competitive business just like any other business, and the term cult gets thrown around to diminish other groups and to valididate your own group. From an objective bystander, it's obvious that you all believe and teach crazy ideology that's not supported by evidence, and therefore are all in a cult, and the terms cult/religion/relation with god are just words that have the same meaning. Take you, for example, you revealed in your posts that you can communicate with an invisible powerful imaginary friend. If I tell my primary doctor the same thing, that I can communicate with an imaginary friend, he is sending me a referral to psyche.


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Just point out He is definitely real and apparently you are obviously taking everything I am saying and making no sense out of it. Your always implying and implying.
He is worthy of respect because God had sacrificed His son, Jesus Christ to die for our sins. Not only that, God is still with us today through his Holy Spirit (John 16:13-15)
If this cannot help you since I had to pull an all-nighter because of you, then God will work into your heart and God will give you an opportunity to rely on God or you can choose not to it is all up to you at this point. I will pray that you will not be misguided by your beliefs.


Look, I think you have good intentions because like most christians, you think "non-believers" such as myself and others are going to hell to burn for eternity. So maybe in your mind you are trying to save me from that fate, so I can kind of appreciate the gesture, I think... But instead or praying for answers, why not just use your wisdom, knowledge, reason, and sense to find what you are looking for.

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There is evidence but your being too stubborn to look at the evidence. You keep saying there is no evidence but you're not even proving that there is no evidence. It is not enough for me to reach out to you. God alone can change your heart and if that day comes you will have the evidence before you.


All the supposedly archaeological finds, holy objects, shrouds, have been exposed as fraud or mistakes. If you have new evidence then by all means tell us. What are the best evidences in your opinion? List them and we can discuss whether they are valid or not.


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God does exist and heaven exists. Seeing is not believing just because you don't see God doesn't mean He doesn't exist. Let's just say that your dad is off somewhere, but you don't know if he is alive or not. it is a matter of believing.


Let's use my dad then as an example; if my dad is "off somewhere," I know he exists because there are evidence he exists. Past evidence would be him raising me from baby to adult, providing for me and my sister. Current evidence would be OH YEAH I CAN SEE HIM AND TALK TO HIM. Even if we are at difference places, we can talk on the phone, communicate via Whatsapp, skype, and other many forms on tangible god on the other hand, does not exist. There are zero evidence period. If you want to blindly believe in fictional characters, then why not believe in Santa Claus or the Easter bunny? Why not believe in Zeus or Anubis or Buddha? I will use your logic against you- why don't you prove and have evidence that all these characters do not exist? Prove that Easter bunny doesn't exist.


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And you're misunderstanding what a cult is. Do you even know what a cult is? A cult is when a religion is unorthodox. Christianity is not unorthodox. It says in the bible that God wants to have a relationship with you. Jesus Christ said to pray like this our father who art in heaven.... Using that first line here, Jesus Christ told us to call God our father and we are his children. (Matthew 6:9-13) (Galatians 3:26) What cults do is put some biblical truth, but puts lies like for example Since Jesus Christ died for our sins we don't need to pray anymore. that is not biblically true. Everything I say us true to the bible if you really did read the bible. You may say you read the bible, but you have to actually read the bible to get what I am saying.


A cult is what you call other religious groups that does not share your same propaganda. To you, maybe mormons and catholics are cults. Maybe to you seven day adventists and scientology are cults. But guess what? To them, they are true christians and you are the cult. It just depends on who you ask. The truth is that the religion business is a competitive business just like any other business, and the term cult gets thrown around to diminish other groups and to valididate your own group. From an objective bystander, it's obvious that you all believe and teach crazy ideology that's not supported by evidence, and therefore are all in a cult, and the terms cult/religion/relation with god are just words that have the same meaning. Take you, for example, you revealed in your posts that you can communicate with an invisible powerful imaginary friend. If I tell my primary doctor the same thing, that I can communicate with an imaginary friend, he is sending me a referral to psyche.


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Just point out He is definitely real and apparently you are obviously taking everything I am saying and making no sense out of it. Your always implying and implying.
He is worthy of respect because God had sacrificed His son, Jesus Christ to die for our sins. Not only that, God is still with us today through his Holy Spirit (John 16:13-15)
If this cannot help you since I had to pull an all-nighter because of you, then God will work into your heart and God will give you an opportunity to rely on God or you can choose not to it is all up to you at this point. I will pray that you will not be misguided by your beliefs.


Look, I think you have good intentions because like most christians, you think "non-believers" such as myself and others are going to hell to burn for eternity. So maybe in your mind you are trying to save me from that fate, so I can kind of appreciate the gesture, I think... But instead or praying for answers, why not just use your wisdom, knowledge, reason, and sense to find what you are looking for.


Look you have still not told me any research that disproves that God does exist. The bible would be the biggest evidence that God does exist and truthfully you are taking parts of what I said and you are ignoring the other parts. Protestant is not a cult because we take for what the bible says is real. Catholics are a cult primarily because they think that other scripture is available to be used. 2 Timothy 3:16 says that all scripture is god breathed which says that all of what the prophets, Jesus and the 12 disciples are god breathed meaning it is holy. Also you ignored what I also said about Mary being a comediator while only Jesus Christ is the mediator. If you think Mary is a comediator you are saying we should be praying to the ungodly, we should be praying for the one who is alive in us Which is Jesus Christ. We know Jesus Christ is alive today because He ascended to heaven and is living eternal life.
I choose not to be self directed because I know God has the best plan for me, which I have said over and over again.
I do not imply. I know that God exists you may not see it because you want something physical from God that shows that he exists, but if you start seeing the possibility that God does exist which you think is nonexistent at all. I just want you to think there is at least a possibility that God does exist. Once you see that God starts working into your heart. And the father analogy I was saying that if your father left you as a little kid and you have no idea if he is alive or not. You assume that the father is able to reach the child, but the father does not want to. There is limits of what human knowledge can go that is why we rely on God because His power and wisdom is so real in our lives.
Faith is simply trusting. We need to trust in God because He alone is perfect and infinite.
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Living in Ireland of course i was, now as I get older I am moving slowly away from the "light" of belief
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Look you have still not told me any research that disproves that God does exist. The bible would be the biggest evidence that God does exist and truthfully you are taking parts of what I said and you are ignoring the other parts. .


You missed the point again. I don't need to prove something doesn't exist, the burden of proof is on you. All the so-called "evidence" that god exists throughout history have been exposed as frauds. If I tell you the Easter bunny exists, I need to prove it to you. It would be stupid for me to declare Easter bunny exists, and ask you to prove that it doesn't. Do you follow this simple logic?

And you should never use the bible as proof of god's existence, if anything, the bible proves itself to be wrong when it is analyzed for inconsistencies and historical inaccuracies. By your logic, I can use the koran to prove that islam is real, and I can use the hubbard books to prove scientology is real, which is ridiculous. The bible was written by bronze age goat herders as a moral guideline to help the people of that time. Over time, the "morals" taught in that book have become outdated- for example, we now know (hopefully) that it's wrong to enslave, to murder, to rape, etc. and those were all condoned by the bible. And we now know that the stories used to explain creation and nature are wrong- for example the age of the earth and the universe is not a few thousand years old. The bible should be taught as an ancient philosophy along with other myths, stories, but it has no place in science or history. It has no place in our government or public schools. As long as you understand that, there are no problems. It should not be used a the moral center either, as many of the so-called "morals" taught in that book is just wrong.


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Protestant is not a cult because we take for what the bible says is real."


So you think it is ok to rape, enslave, and stone people to death? These are all condoned in the bible that you take as real.


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And the father analogy I was saying that if your father left you as a little kid and you have no idea if he is alive or not. You assume that the father is able to reach the child, but the father does not want to.



Here is the problem with you analogy- even if the father left the child, the child has still seen, heard, interacted with the father. The father may be MIA but he still exists or existed at one time. There are evidence of it. There are as much evidence for your god's existence as there are evidence for Santa, Easter bunny, Buddha, or whatever other mythology figure or storybook character. You can't prove that god is more real than Naruto.

Even more, it is just wrong to compare a god to a father. It is an insult to all the responsible fathers in the world who work hard and provide for their kids to be compared to a fictional storybook character.


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We need to trust in God because He alone is perfect and infinite.


Based on evidence, god doesn't exist. Based on the biblical stories, he is a scumbag. I would not trust a god based on the bible stories to babysit my kids anymore than I would trust a murderer or sex offender.
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airmaster2000 wrote:
Faith is simply trusting. We need to trust in God because He alone is perfect and infinite.


So perfect that if your god orders a genocide, and you don't carry that genocide of every single man, woman, child, and animal to the letter, then you are considered disobedient and sinful. No, a thousand times no! I will answer to my own conscience and the laws of the land in which I live. I will be self-motivated, because I alone am responsible for my own actions, my own choices; and the only conscience to which I must ultimately answer is my own. It is not for you or anyone else to judge whether I am a good person, except under the auspices of the federal and state laws of the land. "Judge not, lest ye be judged", and yet this one phrase is so easily ignored by self-appointed moralists. I refuse to live constrained by your moral standards, and you have no right to pass moral judgment on me, by the virtue of your own scripture.

I will not be a willing subject of a supposedly "perfect" god that requires my worship, only so I don't have to live in fear of all the things he will supposedly do to me if I don't worship him. A god so petty is unworthy of my respect or devotion. In real life terms, this is akin to a man saying to a woman, "You'd better love me, because if you love me, then I won't beat you." The treatment of women in the bible (they were property to be sold by their fathers, after all; and they could be raped, as long as the rapist paid the father, and married them) speaks volumes. The multiple requirements of blind obedience to authority, and the demands to never even question why the orders are given, further drive the point home that believers of good conscience aren't wanted, but sheep.

I also do not need such a god in my life to motivate me to kind and compassionate to those in need; I do so of my own volition, because actions speak louder than words, much less faith alone. Instead of trying to convert everyone else to your way of thinking, how about you live and let live, and set an example for others to choose to follow of their own volition? The answer is "no" of course; because some religious people don't feel others should even have the illusion of choice.

On a related note, it'd be really great if some religious people would allow their kids to learn and establish valuable critical thinking skills, so we don't end up with illogical travesties like this...this isn't scientific, but it is all the "proof" some people claim to need:


(For the record, 40% of Americans polled would willingly disregard any fact proven by scientific evidence, IF that fact also contradicted their scriptures. And people wonder why our kids are testing so low in their understanding of history and the sciences...)
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I come from a religious family that gave me the choice to follow whatever religion I wanted. I chose none.
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