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Post Reply are you religious? if so, why?
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Posted 5/12/13

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i'm not religious because i just think religion is ridiculous and unrealistic. i am a WAY more scientific kind of guy. science just makes so much more sense.
this is an example of a dumbass thing that happens with me and religious people ALL THE F**KIN' TIME= someone asks me about my religion, (usually christians, because that's all there really is around here) and i say, "oh. i'm atheist. i just think religion is kinda silly." and then the christian says, "dude! but if you don't believe in god, you'll go to hell!" and i say, "how am i going to hell if i don't even believe in religion?" and then they or i usually walk away.

although i do find some religions as interesting stories.



Bummer you dont believe, but its your choice. I know the answer if anyone really desperately needs to know.
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I find it absurd that people will believe in magic so easily. There are many holy texts that have been around for hundreds or thousands of years, and the only difference between me and (for example) a Christian is that the Christian dismisses all of them as ridiculous except one, and I dismiss all of them as ridiculous including his.

If you ask me why I don't believe in your god, tell me why you don't believe in all the other gods and you will have stated my answer.
Posted 5/12/13

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Can anyone explain how Jesus dying on the cross supposedly absolves humanity from its sins? Isn't God the one saying what sins are? So shouldn't he have the power just to grant absolution from sins, in a way that doesn't involve his son dying? I mean.... humanity lost a great man in Jesus, Son of God or not. Not trying to start any arguments.... just legitimately want to know the Christian view.


The technical explanation (to the degree that you would call theology "technical") is called "substitutionary atonement." Long story short, God's justice requires that sin must be atoned for, hence he can't just ignore sin or simply wave his magic wand and make it all go away and fill the sky with pink cotton candy clouds and make trees out of bubble gum.

...Ok, well, he could do the cotton candy clouds and bubble gum trees, that would be AWESOME.

Anyway, the "cost" of sin, if you will, is infinite, because sin is an offense to God himself. Think about punching your best friend and punching the president. The difference of the act is in the person receiving it, despite the act being the same. Not to mention you'd probably get yourself shot before getting anywhere near enough to the president to punch him.

Because the cost of the sin is infinite, a finite being can only atone for that cost over an infinite period of time, hence the everlasting nature of Hell. Jesus, being God, is infinite, and can thus atone for sin. The term "substitutionary atonement" simply means that Jesus was our substitute. Instead of us having to pay for our own sin, he does it for us.

I hope that wasn't too horribly muddled. Let me know if I can clarify or if I accidentally a word or something.
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The person who started this thread and many other people after him are incredibly disingenuous.

Second, pretty much the OP and everyone else doesn't know what religion means.

Religion is a collection of beliefs to form a worldview.

So essentially, the OP asked everyone if we have a collection of beliefs that has shaped a worldview. Which is a silly question because everyone does.


So, maybe what the OP was really asking was. Do you believe God exists? (I've made this deduction by his statement "I'm an atheist")
and to answer that question is really quite simple

There are plenty of reasons and rational answers to say "Yes, God does exist"
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There are plenty of bad reasons and irrational arguments to say "No, God does not exist"

Don't believe me? Go ahead and make a list of stuff you believe exists and you will find that there are many things you account for, can't prove exists but still believe it does because you otherwise sound like an idiot to yourself OR there are some things you don't account for, happens all the time, and don't realize you interact with it.
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Aint nobody got time for religion.Whole family is pretty much christian and iam atheist.Guess iam the black sheep :p
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A religion is a fundamental set of beliefs about how we got here and why we exist. By that definition, all people have a religion, though not all of these are endorsed by a set of popular dogmas or an organization such as a church.

A religion as defined above is a necessary thing. Imagine waking up in the dark with no idea where you are. You need at least a little basic information in order to even stand up. If you are on a bed, you will have to swing your legs over the side to stand. If you are on sand, you will have to shift your weight differently in order to get your balance. This basic information is necessary to even move. Likewise, some basic information about our existence is necessary in order to function in everyday life.

Now as far as organized religions are concerned, all of the real ones (as in, all the old ones not ripped straight out of someone's backside) have value. None are completely correct. They are all trying to explain our existence from different points of view. Since a human's perspective is limited, each of these religions is similarly limited. For example, imagine that little Joe in elementary school goes to the nurse's office with a bloody nose. He is crying and the nurse can't ask him what happened, so the nurse goes to the playground and asks the other children what happened to Joe. She gets several different stories such as "Sally is mean." "Joe can't catch" "The ball is evil" and then the nurse has to collect the information and make an informed guess that Sally and Joe were playing catch and Joe got hit in the face with the ball. Likewise, numerous religions (including evolutionary atheism) attempt to explain our existence and the human condition from different points of view. A wise person should listen to all of them and then make a judgement about which parts are the most accurate.

What is, is. The past is set and cannot be changed. This logic dictates that there can only be one truth, one way that things actually are. Since we only have second-hand information limited by human perception to guide us, it is impossible to know the whole truth in its entirety. However, the more perspectives we analyze, the more accurate our mental picture of the truth becomes.

Anyone who claims to be atheist and non-religious is a fool. Atheism is the fundamental belief that there are no divine beings, literally anti-theist. It is a religion into itself. It is a set of beliefs about the nature of the world and our place in it. It is not spiritual, but it is a set of beliefs. Atheism is NOT scientific. Science is a process -- a method of logical thinking -- in which a phenomenon is observed, a hypothesis is formed as to why/how the phenomenon occurred, and then controlled, documented, repeatable experimentation is performed in order to prove or disprove the hypothesis. THAT is the Jr. High School level DEFINITION OF SCIENCE. A true scientist doubts everything. Believing in an experimentally unproven theory is as much a faith as believing in an unseen God.

Anyone who claims a particular religion without understanding it is a fool. I know many people who claim to be Wicca or "pagan" in order to get attention, but I've only met one who actually believed in (or understood) any of it. I have known many, many Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Adventists, etc. who claim to believe in their own brand of Christianity, but cannot explain the basic tenants of their own religions. Wholesale buying a set of dogmas without understanding them is foolish and can't even be called a belief. It is just an act at that point.

A person will believe what they believe. It isn't as much of a choice as it is an experience. A person can claim anything. A person can sign on with any organization. Internal beliefs are more difficult to change and I find that few people actually express their real beliefs. They are a deeply personal thing. On the surface, most people will claim the thing that gets them most accepted by the group or makes them seem the most clever. For example, if atheists really believed in evolution and that life was a cosmic accident, then right and wrong are merely words we assigned to deeds in order to preserve social order. In that regard a true atheist should also be an amoralist. Yet I hear atheist argue about moral philosophies just as often (of not more often) than theists. I see Christian groups - who are taught that helping the poor is important - voting against social bills and atheists - who should be allowing the weak to die in order to promote evolution - supporting welfare programs. This shows a disconnect between the proclaimed beliefs and the practices that those beliefs should encourage. It is due to this disconnect that I feel most people do not accurately depict their real inner beliefs.

Personally, I believe that the Judeo-Christian tradition is closest to correct. I don't have all the answers, but from what I have seen it is just as accurate and more pleasant than the alternatives.
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Yes, well this is how religious arguments usually start, but I see that Crunchy has some smart Theists/Atheists that are too mature to argue. I'm Catholic, by the way. We could teach a lot of the immature Theists/Atheists that we don't have to argue over our beliefs all the time.
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Nuclearspy wrote:

Don't believe me? Go ahead and make a list of stuff you believe exists and you will find that there are many things you account for, can't prove exists but still believe it does because you otherwise sound like an idiot to yourself OR there are some things you don't account for, happens all the time, and don't realize you interact with it.


I believe gravity exists...
I believe oxygen exists...
I believe the earth is not the center of our solar system...
I believe in an ever expanding universe....
I do not believe the world is only 9000 years old...
I do not believe the earth is flat...
I do not believe the sun revolves around the earth...
Global warming IS happening...

All these can be proven or have been dis-proven within the last 500 years or earlier.

I can keep going...would you like me to keep going?





dark_paradox_21 wrote:
Personally, I believeI don't have all the answers...


Ya okay, stop right there. You're good man... no need to continue... fixed that for you.
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I'm not religious. I believe there's a higher power, but nothing more really.

I'm technically Roman Catholic but I guess you could say I don't practice it :P.

I don't mind atheists or anyone who follows a religion as long as they don't shove it down each others throats.

For example:

Person 1: "I love Jesus!"
Person 2: "FUCK YOU AND YOUR STUPID JESUS HE'S FAKE AND YOU SUCK MY OPINION IS BETTER THAN YOURS'."

OR:

Person 1: "I'm an atheist."
Person 2: "FUCK YOU, YOU STUPID NON-BELIEVER YOU SHOULD GO ROT IN HELL AND YOU SUCK OH AND MY OPINION IS BETTER THAN YOURS'."
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Don't believe in religion... To much bs.. I mean if someone tells you a fairy tell your whole life you are bound to believe it! And also too many judge mental people, like Dspokes up there...
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I am not religious.
Personally, I consider most religions a business these days. Especially christianity. The churches bring people in ways that most businesses wish they could match. No other business could get away with something like "Come here, or your going to hell."

In history, churches tended to build some the largest, complex and grandiose complexes for worship. They rake in the money, they still do.
Churches here have projection screens, indoor basketball courts with scoreboards, in multiple floor buildings. Its crazy. Its insane.
The people who are running the churches are likely making off like bandits... most likely tax free as well.
After all, the more you give the church (in monetary value) the more you will receive (in thanks)


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spacebat wrote:

I believe gravity exists...
I believe oxygen exists...
I believe the earth is not the center of our solar system...
I believe in an ever expanding universe....
I do not believe the world is only 9000 years old...
I do not believe the earth is flat...
I do not believe the sun revolves around the earth...
Global warming IS happening...

All these can be proven or have been dis-proven within the last 500 years or earlier.

I can keep going...would you like me to keep going?



No, no need to keep going cause you just listed you believe in something you can't prove exists.

You believe gravity exists? You mean to tell me that you believe in the existence of this invisible thing that pulls objects in a direction?

Its funny you put up this picture "Bro, do you even science?"

I got an even better question

Bro, do you even know when YOU ARE NOT DOING SCIENCE?
Heres another question

Bro, do you even know that you have to believe in the existence of invisible stuff (you can't prove exists) in order to do the physics (which isn't science), so that you can AFTERWARD do that science you think so highly of?

Science assumes that some things are true, and to attempt to prove that it is would be arguing in a logical circle

Might want to refer to this chart, chap.

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I believe that there is a higher entity which created us.

But even if it interacts with the world and its people or not, it is not worth it to worship it.

Cause either this "god"(i will call this entity god from now on) is almighty, then it dont deserves to be worshipped cause it tolerates so much pain and despair,
or this god is not almight and i think to worship a not-almighty beeing is just dump!
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Global warming was proven by scientific consensus, but was not proven by scientific fact.
This tells me that those that believe in global warming have about as much faith in it as we Christians do in our God.
P.s. Christians, some anyway believe that the earth is fairly new, however, the bible states that it is ancient. So, with this in mind, those few with that theory, are wrong. The days of creation are also, this is going back a few translations, mind, really just passing's of time. This means that each day could range from any amount of time, and this is more inline with actual science.
The people that actually read the bible understand that it is scientific; As of yet, there is nothing in the bible that has yet been proven wrong; a great many things, if not all, can be proven by going back a few translations.

On the other hand, you can post a list of these so called "inconsistencies" and I could just bring the entire list of translation errors. (I'm not doing that, btw.)

Thank you for your time. (I know some of this might be me rambling, but this is just off the tip of my fingers, so to speak/write.)
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I don't need to believe gravity exists... I know it exists.

Just like I don't need to believe the earth orbits the sun. It's an observable fact of physics. :huh:

You can argue the earth is flat all you want. I've been able to prove it's an oblate spheroid ever since middle school geometry...

You seem to argue for the sake of arguing though. I'll leave you to your thoughts just leave the physics to me...

However if you feel the urge to learn a little about Newton's Laws I'd be happy to school you in Centrifugal Force it's one of many ficticious forces that leads into Newton's Second law: F= ma



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