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I'm a molecular biologist. I think, eat, and sleep science. At the same time, I am deeply religious. I find no quarrel between the two. Usually people that do are those that lack one or the other, so they place them at odds. The more you learn of both, the greater understanding there is to gain.

However, I do believe that there is only one true religion. That being said, I feel like other religions have pieces of the truth. So from that perspective, learning from one of those religions would only get you so far. I don't say this to offend, just to explain my point of view. If there is one God, there can be only one true set of teachings that follow his exact will. Since there are millions of different beliefs that don't agree, it's only logical that they cannot all be be following God's with conflicting doctrines.

On the topic of heaven/paradise. If you believe yourself to be a "son or daughter of God", and somehow have come to the conclusion that his only purpose in creating you is to watch you struggle on Earth so that eventually you can praise him for all eternity, then you might want to look somewhere else for your answers. Why would God even need you to be here if all he has planned for you is to sit around, or to only mindlessly praise him for all eternity? Life is progress, life is perpetually working to become better. Why would that stop? If you truly believe yourself a child of God, then you should realize that children grow into adults. Now put that on God's scale of time and you'll realize that we have a long way to go.

The idea of eternity is brutal to those that live their lives in a state of darkness. The idea of forever seems daunting because its only seen from a narrow perspective. Even those that believe can't fully comprehend the actual concept. I couldn't understand organic chemistry in first grade either. Over many years, and through countless hours of learning bit by bit, I did eventually learn Ochem. If you were to show it to me when I was in first grade, I would have just looked at it like non-sense and moved on. Religion and science are similar in that way. People scoff at what they don't understand because they want all the answers/understanding given to them in 5 minutes. They don't want to take the time and effort to learn and to grow.

I just had identical twin girls. They share the exact same DNA. Since the time in their mother's womb, to the day that they were born, and now at 6 months, they have 100% different personalities. There was no time for them to learn human behavior, and they share the exact same genome. So why are they different? Because their body isn't the only part of them. They also have spirits. Body + Spirit = Soul. They should be a copy of one another, from a science point of view, but that is simply not the case. Does that make science wrong? No, it just means science hasn't caught up to understand that yet. Every 10 years or so, the scientific community decides that its reached the pinnacle of scientific understanding, only to be totally blown apart by new discoveries that entirely change the way we viewed things before.

TL:DR. Just search for yourself. Question everything. Don't be afraid to actually DO, not just believe. Build up, don't try and tear down.


I personally believe He created us for reasons similar to an artist creating a grand masterpiece (other than money). I appreciate you.
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ewbryant wrote:

I'm a molecular biologist. I think, eat, and sleep science. At the same time, I am deeply religious. I find no quarrel between the two. Usually people that do are those that lack one or the other, so they place them at odds. The more you learn of both, the greater understanding there is to gain.

However, I do believe that there is only one true religion. That being said, I feel like other religions have pieces of the truth. So from that perspective, learning from one of those religions would only get you so far. I don't say this to offend, just to explain my point of view. If there is one God, there can be only one true set of teachings that follow his exact will. Since there are millions of different beliefs that don't agree, it's only logical that they cannot all be be following God's with conflicting doctrines.

On the topic of heaven/paradise. If you believe yourself to be a "son or daughter of God", and somehow have come to the conclusion that his only purpose in creating you is to watch you struggle on Earth so that eventually you can praise him for all eternity, then you might want to look somewhere else for your answers. Why would God even need you to be here if all he has planned for you is to sit around, or to only mindlessly praise him for all eternity? Life is progress, life is perpetually working to become better. Why would that stop? If you truly believe yourself a child of God, then you should realize that children grow into adults. Now put that on God's scale of time and you'll realize that we have a long way to go.

The idea of eternity is brutal to those that live their lives in a state of darkness. The idea of forever seems daunting because its only seen from a narrow perspective. Even those that believe can't fully comprehend the actual concept. I couldn't understand organic chemistry in first grade either. Over many years, and through countless hours of learning bit by bit, I did eventually learn Ochem. If you were to show it to me when I was in first grade, I would have just looked at it like non-sense and moved on. Religion and science are similar in that way. People scoff at what they don't understand because they want all the answers/understanding given to them in 5 minutes. They don't want to take the time and effort to learn and to grow.

I just had identical twin girls. They share the exact same DNA. Since the time in their mother's womb, to the day that they were born, and now at 6 months, they have 100% different personalities. There was no time for them to learn human behavior, and they share the exact same genome. So why are they different? Because their body isn't the only part of them. They also have spirits. Body + Spirit = Soul. They should be a copy of one another, from a science point of view, but that is simply not the case. Does that make science wrong? No, it just means science hasn't caught up to understand that yet. Every 10 years or so, the scientific community decides that its reached the pinnacle of scientific understanding, only to be totally blown apart by new discoveries that entirely change the way we viewed things before.

TL:DR. Just search for yourself. Question everything. Don't be afraid to actually DO, not just believe. Build up, don't try and tear down.


You've summed up my thoughts eloquently. All the world's faiths are authentic in their search for truth. They are each similar in the fact that they are human ways of reaching out to the divine, discerning the truths on their own. However, from a Judeo-Christian point of view, the Divine itself reached out to humankind and thus made that faith the most true out of them all.

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I'm a Christian. the only judge is Jesus Christ God son.
I'm not the kind that tells anyone they're going to hell.
to each his own.
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I was born into a family in which they allowed me to pick an option; go to church or not. No one else in my family did, but if I wanted to they were perfectly fine with it. I said no at the young age of 4, because I was lazy and was idolizing my brother at the time.

I'm lucky I have a family who allowed me to pick.

I'm not religious- I'm technically a Roman Catholic, but I don't practice. If I had a choice, I'd go Agnostic. I believe there's some higher power, but I can't believe in just one person when I'm a technical ass who needs rock-hard evidence.

I really don't mind if someone is religious or not, but if they shove either opinion down my throat or others' I have to use all my willpower not to punch them square in the face. :)

I think you should believe in what you want. Believe in Jesus, Allah, etc.? Cool! It's great you've got a faith.
Do you believe in science and/or not Jesus? Cool!

It's silly to fight over it when we have our own lives to worry over.
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I'm an antitheist.
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I used to be Christian up until about a few years ago, I think.

It just seems impractical, and the more I learned, the more figurative holes I found in that bible despite having studied it for almost two decades. Now, I don't know what to believe, but I think that's not necessarily a bad thing. There are things that I am not meant to ever understand, and I acknowledge this.
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I usually ignore these types of posts as they tend to be a weird... but I'm stuck at work and I've got nothing better to do. Heh, so.. why not? Feel free to skip this or not…

I am a panentheistic atheist. Contradiction... yes and no. I guess the reason why is because the ideas and concepts of religion were introduced to me at a young age and I have found no viable reason to discard them. Much to the peoples frustrations I feel compelled to first explain what my religious beliefs are...

Most know, or might not know, that a pantheist is someone who believes that God and the Universe are one and the same. A panentheist differs in that we believe that the Divine is more than the just Universe.

My religious beliefs are mystical in nature, that is, I count myself as a mystic. In that regard, I believe that humanity is capable of a level of conscious awareness of the Divine. This belief is an extension of the Pythagorean divinity of numbers mixed with Platonic soul. It permeates all of western theology but for the sake of brevity and an utter lack of due justice - the Pythagoreans hold that number is divine. It is expressed everywhere in nature (think mathematics as the language of the cosmos); however, because nature is so far removed from the perfect state of the Divine, it will always be incapable of truly expressing it. Pythagoras was painfully aware that, within nature, there is no such thing as a 90 degree angle. Lines, atoms... whatever, do not line up in a perfect 90 degree angle. It will always be off by .000001 or over by 90.000001. From this, the Pythagoreans held that the Divine used numbers as the structure upon which nature itself was formed.

A few years later, Socrates would make the connection that if number is truly divine and humanity is capable of comprehending number, it stands to reason that there is some quality within man that is also divine. This line of argument developed into the first reasoned belief in man's soul. It's important in that prior to this mysticism was expressed in an emotional Dionysian frenzy called ekstasis (from which we derive the word ecstasy from). This was, in the west, our first steps into a reasoned understanding of the Divine.

Over the years, I have not found any reason or logical deduction to think otherwise. I am religious in that I do believe that there is a divine. I differ from my fellows in a fundamental assumption made by them - that is - the divine is ethically good.

This assumption arises because it is held that between the polar opposites of Order and Chaos, only Order is capable of creation and conscious thought, hence God is good. Chaos is incapable of construction a form with any capacity at all. Thus, in the west, our most prominent theology, Christianity, had God create a figurehead of this force in Helel Ben-Shachar (better known as Satan).

While this is merely a parable used to express abstractions - my fellow mystics are correct and yet incorrect. The Divine is not a derivative of one or the other, but a culmination of both. In Jewish mysticism creation is the emanation of a simple unknowable unity into a complex illusion of division. Heres (destruction or chaos) and Bara (order and creation) are the yin and yang to the Divines unity.
Life is not about ethics. It’s not about being good, nor is it about becoming consciously aware of the Divine. From what I’ve been able to deduce from my studies, The Divine is the basis of everything in existences. It is where we come from and where we will go, regardless of our actions in life. From the heights of Gandhi to the depths of the Nazi regime all is an expression of immense diversity that is the infinite.

It appears to me, at least, that spending one’s life in pursuit of one extreme or the other, a rank materialism or an ignorant asceticism is to render the very act of division moot. Life is not about trying to become one with God or, in this case, The Divine. That is going to happen no matter what. Life is about living. It’s not about whether or not you live it well, or with purpose, or even with an underlining clandestine impulse. It simply is about being alive.

The belief in God, and the adherence to some axiological code for the hopes of some form of union, whether in life or after it, is a fallacy. As a panentheist, you cannot help but have that union. As an atheist, it is my heart felt belief that one should live life without regards to it. Life brings with it one thing that I cannot rationally perceive The Divine being in possession of – namely, consciousness.

The fundamental principle upon which awareness is grounded in is, ironically enough, the knowledge that “I am not that”. That is, for the self to exist it must distinguish its self from others. From the perspective of a unity, such as The Divine, these distinctions are not possible. It is said that Satan is father of all lies and furthermore, all sins are confirmations of the ego. Whether or not this translates to whether or not The Divine is conscious I cannot say, but what I will say is – even if the division between you and I is an illusion it is upon this illusion that its worth is derived. We are capable of the belief, even if it is in error, that we are separate.

To me, it seems that this belief is intrinsic to the very act of human life. To live in accordance with a religion is to ignore, in my opinion, the expressed desire of The Divine to encapsulate itself into the illusion of life. It is best to live life without paying any attention to any God, or divine essence. While I do believe in such an essence (as God is not a being but an It), I also believe that the only true sin, if such a thing exists, is wasting the gift of life’s lie in the hopes of attaining that which you can not help but attain.

tl;dr right?
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I was born into a family in which they allowed me to pick an option; go to church or not. No one else in my family did, but if I wanted to they were perfectly fine with it. I said no at the young age of 4, because I was lazy and was idolizing my brother at the time.

I'm lucky I have a family who allowed me to pick.

I'm not religious- I'm technically a Roman Catholic, but I don't practice. If I had a choice, I'd go Agnostic. I believe there's some higher power, but I can't believe in just one person when I'm a technical ass who needs rock-hard evidence.

I really don't mind if someone is religious or not, but if they shove either opinion down my throat or others' I have to use all my willpower not to punch them square in the face. :)

I think you should believe in what you want. Believe in Jesus, Allah, etc.? Cool! It's great you've got a faith.
Do you believe in science and/or not Jesus? Cool!

It's silly to fight over it when we have our own lives to worry over.


theres nothing to fight over about it , we should always know we live in a temp world with full of sins everyday and there isonly 1 god. if going to heaven is like 1,2,3 u wont be seeing so many people praying daily etc look at christian they only pray when they need, when they dont u see them at disco or drinking beer because they careless. , look at righteous muslim they have to pray 5 times a day without miss,friday prayer , even they are lazy or not or the door of heaven would not open for them and will end up in hell for temp because they tried and didnt success cause its fair to anothers who prayed hard .fairness
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I know my opinion doesn't matter but I'm one of those people how don't really follow anything, be it science or religion. I believe just to live your life the way you want and not let some books or numbers control with what you believe in, believe in your own experience in life and just go with the flow.
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I know my opinion doesn't matter but I'm one of those people how don't really follow anything, be it science or religion. I believe just to live your life the way you want and not let some books or numbers control with what you believe in, believe in your own experience in life and just go with the flow.


its not about just books its like thousand years ago and this thing still continues and people still doing it,o.O

of cause u can follow ur opinion its ur life anyways u should know where u be going afterlife .and everyone knows theres no such thing as reborn
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BeanWantaBurger wrote:

I was born into a family in which they allowed me to pick an option; go to church or not. No one else in my family did, but if I wanted to they were perfectly fine with it. I said no at the young age of 4, because I was lazy and was idolizing my brother at the time.

I'm lucky I have a family who allowed me to pick.

I'm not religious- I'm technically a Roman Catholic, but I don't practice. If I had a choice, I'd go Agnostic. I believe there's some higher power, but I can't believe in just one person when I'm a technical ass who needs rock-hard evidence.

I really don't mind if someone is religious or not, but if they shove either opinion down my throat or others' I have to use all my willpower not to punch them square in the face. :)

I think you should believe in what you want. Believe in Jesus, Allah, etc.? Cool! It's great you've got a faith.
Do you believe in science and/or not Jesus? Cool!

It's silly to fight over it when we have our own lives to worry over.


theres nothing to fight over about it , we should always know we live in a temp world with full of sins everyday and there isonly 1 god. if going to heaven is like 1,2,3 u wont be seeing so many people praying daily etc look at christian they only pray when they need, when they dont u see them at disco or drinking beer because they careless. , look at righteous muslim they have to pray 5 times a day without miss,friday prayer , even they are lazy or not or the door of heaven would not open for them and will end up in hell for temp because they tried and didnt success cause its fair to anothers who prayed hard .fairness


You're starting a fight there, though. I'm fine with you being religious, but please don't try to shove it onto me or any others, thanks. It's great you have a faith, but I don't really believe too much in it. Sorry about that.
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Religious fanatics are going to defend their god one way or another, and then you tell them you are agnostic or atheist and ask questions about the bible or god, they get all offended!

If I come to ask a serious question about religion I expect a serious answer. I just want to be more informed on the issues and what might be in the bible that I may agree or disagree with. Some people are ok with being asked questions, but I found that I asked certain types of contemporary mothers/fathers and they got highly offended.

People attempt to spread their religion on me too, another reason why I am leaning toward atheism. They say "I am not trying to enforce my religion on you, but you should go to church" then later it is always "I'm going to pray for you" which kind of offends me in a way, because I do not want to be brought into religion! lol I might as well join Scientology, at least it seems just as insane and many of them know it haha.

I believe what I do now matters more than worrying about the afterlife, or else I might not have the goals I do now, which are to travel.
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BeanWantaBurger wrote:


zBladerz wrote:


BeanWantaBurger wrote:

I was born into a family in which they allowed me to pick an option; go to church or not. No one else in my family did, but if I wanted to they were perfectly fine with it. I said no at the young age of 4, because I was lazy and was idolizing my brother at the time.

I'm lucky I have a family who allowed me to pick.

I'm not religious- I'm technically a Roman Catholic, but I don't practice. If I had a choice, I'd go Agnostic. I believe there's some higher power, but I can't believe in just one person when I'm a technical ass who needs rock-hard evidence.

I really don't mind if someone is religious or not, but if they shove either opinion down my throat or others' I have to use all my willpower not to punch them square in the face. :)

I think you should believe in what you want. Believe in Jesus, Allah, etc.? Cool! It's great you've got a faith.
Do you believe in science and/or not Jesus? Cool!

It's silly to fight over it when we have our own lives to worry over.


theres nothing to fight over about it , we should always know we live in a temp world with full of sins everyday and there isonly 1 god. if going to heaven is like 1,2,3 u wont be seeing so many people praying daily etc look at christian they only pray when they need, when they dont u see them at disco or drinking beer because they careless. , look at righteous muslim they have to pray 5 times a day without miss,friday prayer , even they are lazy or not or the door of heaven would not open for them and will end up in hell for temp because they tried and didnt success cause its fair to anothers who prayed hard .fairness


You're starting a fight there, though. I'm fine with you being religious, but please don't try to shove it onto me or any others, thanks. It's great you have a faith, but I don't really believe too much in it. Sorry about that.



lol xD , im not even religions person, im just following the successfull path for my afterlife, im just doing it for the sake for my afterlife cause i do not want to end up in hell forever but why do u get angry cause of the words i said which is true?o.O
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I am an atheist myself, but i respect and admire religious people who are open minded. And keep their faith personal and don't try to push it on other people. fundamentalists however i strongly dislike!
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zBladerz wrote:


BeanWantaBurger wrote:


zBladerz wrote:


BeanWantaBurger wrote:

I was born into a family in which they allowed me to pick an option; go to church or not. No one else in my family did, but if I wanted to they were perfectly fine with it. I said no at the young age of 4, because I was lazy and was idolizing my brother at the time.

I'm lucky I have a family who allowed me to pick.

I'm not religious- I'm technically a Roman Catholic, but I don't practice. If I had a choice, I'd go Agnostic. I believe there's some higher power, but I can't believe in just one person when I'm a technical ass who needs rock-hard evidence.

I really don't mind if someone is religious or not, but if they shove either opinion down my throat or others' I have to use all my willpower not to punch them square in the face. :)

I think you should believe in what you want. Believe in Jesus, Allah, etc.? Cool! It's great you've got a faith.
Do you believe in science and/or not Jesus? Cool!

It's silly to fight over it when we have our own lives to worry over.


theres nothing to fight over about it , we should always know we live in a temp world with full of sins everyday and there isonly 1 god. if going to heaven is like 1,2,3 u wont be seeing so many people praying daily etc look at christian they only pray when they need, when they dont u see them at disco or drinking beer because they careless. , look at righteous muslim they have to pray 5 times a day without miss,friday prayer , even they are lazy or not or the door of heaven would not open for them and will end up in hell for temp because they tried and didnt success cause its fair to anothers who prayed hard .fairness


You're starting a fight there, though. I'm fine with you being religious, but please don't try to shove it onto me or any others, thanks. It's great you have a faith, but I don't really believe too much in it. Sorry about that.



lol xD , im not even religions person, im just following the successfull path for my afterlife, im just doing it for the sake for my afterlife cause i do not want to end up in hell forever but why do u get angry cause of the words i said which is true?o.O


Not everyone believes in the afterlife.
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