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Posted 7/21/13 , edited 7/21/13

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LMAO Ok genius so when you stated you have "faithful devotion" you are referring to definition 1, 2, and 4? Because if you are referring the definitions 3 and 5 then "faith" is the exact same as "religion." When referring to and in the context of spirituality, the terms "faith" and "religion" are indeed 100% mutually inclusive.

faith [feyth] Show IPA
noun
1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2.
belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4.
belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5.
a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.


Definition 1 and 2 are not inclusive when it comes to the definition of religion. What is so hard to get about that?


That's because definition 1 and 2 have nothing to do with religion, they are referring to alternate definitions of this word. That is a very very simple concept why can't you understand that?

You are just not understanding. Let me try to explain at a level that you will comprehend. Take the word "train" which has more than one definition as well. One definition refers to an locomotive, like if you are taking a train to San Francisco Another definition is to train, such as training yourself in a skill, for example training your ability to play tennis.

So when someone ask about your preparation or training for tennis, they mean the same thing. It would be extremely stupid to bring up other definitions of "train" in this context. No one is taking about train as in locomotive. Yet that is exactly what you are doing.

People ask you about training for tennis, you talk about train as a locomotive. People ask you about faith in the religious context, you talk about faith in the context of definitions 1, 2, and 4. It is not hard to understand this concept heck I think as an esl student in the 2nd grade I've already understood this. Do you finally see what you are doing? If you still can't understand feel free to send me a message and I will explain it in even more detail if possible.
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Flowcharts make everything easier to understand :P


That chart does not describe the precise function of science, and the activity of doing science.
What is the nature as well as the aim of double blind experiments when it comes to medications? Is it determining efficacy or the actual description of how the medication works? Look into that topic.

Meanwhile, this is something I've written a few years ago.

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What Science Does And Does Not Do

Let's say that we witness two things, A and B. B comes after A, and as far as we can tell, B is "caused" by A.

A ---> B

We confirm this by doing stuff so that whenever A happens, B seems to always happen after A. Do this a lot of times (more than a few), and this is become somewhat of a "law."



Just stop right here. If this is your idea of science then you really need to educate yourself further. No good scientist follow this flawed logic, ever. Correlation does not mean causation. For example, every time I fart in the playoffs Dwight Howard misses a freethrow. A--->B? Umm no, and I hope this is self-explanatory.
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Flowcharts make everything easier to understand :P


That chart just cracks me up ...Newton, Copernicus, Galileo all used their Christian faith as a basis in their scientific experiments; guess what would happen if you were a professor up for tenure and published (yea, like that would ever happen) a scientific paper on intelligent design? You can kiss your funding, your tenure, and your job good bye! I believe in a literal 6 day creation - scientific? Not by a long shot, true? I believe so. Well, we will find out when we die, there will only be ourselves to blame.
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YepImaNerd wrote:



Flowcharts make everything easier to understand :P


That chart just cracks me up ...Newton, Copernicus, Galileo all used their Christian faith as a basis in their scientific experiments; guess what would happen if you were a professor up for tenure and published (yea, like that would ever happen) a scientific paper on intelligent design? You can kiss your funding, your tenure, and your job good bye! I believe in a literal 6 day creation - scientific? Not by a long shot, true? I believe so. Well, we will find out when we die, there will only be ourselves to blame.


But they didn't base their theories on completely invisible components of nature, nor did they ignore contradictory evidence. That is the difference between a scientific thought-process and a religious thought-process.
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nice!
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Well I believe in spirituality I believe that there is an explanation to this experience were going true. Have you ever tried to play with your perception with dmt like how do you know what you perceive is real. People need something to believe in that why people believe in god because in the end of the day we don't know why are we here so they take the bible as the answers they seek.
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I'm an anti-theist.

I do not respect your religion. (It's bat-shit crazy! You don't respect my beliefs and I don't your's. Your beliefs say to murder me and my family!)

I do not admire your faith. [Who started this whole idea that you should admire someone for "faith" (accepting something without evidence) "Wow Billy I sure admire the fact that you just believe everything you hear!"]

I could never quite find out what is worse: Being Religious without understanding your religion, or actually understanding it and still believing!



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I'm an Atheist, and yes I do hate Religion. I don't hate God. I hate Religion. The amount of damage it's caused to the world is astounding. It really upsets me.
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I know without a doubt that if most people commenting have seen the things I have then they would have a different opinion. I also know that it doesn't matter because people will always believe what they want despite what they see.


There's a problem with that. Our eyes are easy to fool. Ever seen an optical illusion? All it takes is a clever drawing and our eyes and brains get thrown for a complete loop. It is for this reason that, in science, eye-witness testimony is considered the lowest form of evidence available.

We also have confirmation bias. Our brains really like to be right, so sometimes we will literally see what we want to see. Not because we choose to, but because, in the absence of evidence to confirm what we want to be true, our brains will sometimes fabricate the evidence we want to see out of nothing.

So if you want skeptics like myself to believe in gods, spirits, ghosts, etc. You have to give us something more than just, "you saw it," because, to us, it's much more likely that your eyes were fooled by an illusion or that your brain is deceiving you than that your claims are true.
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minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:
Does this mean he does not love us? Does it mean a mother does not love their child if they punish them?


he tried to drown the world population, sanctioned wars, genocides, rape, slavery, intolerance... sure he loves us. A mother punishes a child by giving the child a time out not stoning the kid to death- at least not from where i live anyway

i'm just thankful your god is imaginary
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I am proud to say I'm an atheist and I don't have a single family member that is religious in any way shape or form.
We have no obligations to a higher power and are doing absolutely dandy.
I don't understand religion in the sense that its followers choose to be closedminded about a lot of issues.
Religion advocates fear in its subjects, do as I tell you or you shall burn for all eternity.

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If you don't like going to church or don't believe in religious thing...well you need to grow up a litle more!!!! let me ask u this,do YOU BELIEVE IN GOD?? do me a favor go read the bible then we talk.


i actually have read the bible before, that's part of why i'm not christian.
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minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:
Does this mean he does not love us? Does it mean a mother does not love their child if they punish them?


he tried to drown the world population, sanctioned wars, genocides, rape, slavery, intolerance... sure he loves us. A mother punishes a child by giving the child a time out not stoning the kid to death- at least not from where i live anyway

i'm just thankful your god is imaginary


When one sees gnats and swats at it for no good reason, do we take a second thought of it? No. God tries to save the world from the evil forces of demons and Nephilim. He does not say that rape or slavery is alright, but gives instruction in regard to such subjects. There is a deeper meaning of understanding, and we are supposed to try to figure out this meaning, in the Holy Books. As the Koran says, "Do you not have a brain?"
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agnostic, sometimes i think there is and sometimes i think there isnt. like with the ancient Greeks. we think they where stupid for believing a number of gods. whos to say in a few hundred years people wont think the same of us. but idk. id like to believe but sometimes i find it really hard too believe
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minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:


bensonc120 wrote:


minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:
Does this mean he does not love us? Does it mean a mother does not love their child if they punish them?


he tried to drown the world population, sanctioned wars, genocides, rape, slavery, intolerance... sure he loves us. A mother punishes a child by giving the child a time out not stoning the kid to death- at least not from where i live anyway

i'm just thankful your god is imaginary


When one sees gnats and swats at it for no good reason, do we take a second thought of it? No. God tries to save the world from the evil forces of demons and Nephilim. He does not say that rape or slavery is alright, but gives instruction in regard to such subjects. There is a deeper meaning of understanding, and we are supposed to try to figure out this meaning, in the Holy Books. As the Koran says, "Do you not have a brain?"


LOL that was a fast change in comparisons- quickly comparing the god/human relations from mother/child to swatting gnats wow! As for rape or slavery I would strongly recommend you go back and re-read the bible then get back to me. The meaning of the bible and religion is not that deep and not hard to figure out. If you are having trouble, then maybe the question of "Do you not have a brain?" is one you should be asking yourself.

By the way, 9 milion children die every year before the age of 5 to a rate of 17 per minute. To paraphrase Sam Harris, any god who allows millions of innocent children to suffer and die and their parents to grieve either is incapable of helping or doesn't care to help. I hope your poor choice of mother/child punishment metaphor will end at this moment, the comparison is beyond offensive. Same with the gnats comparison.
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