You make religion and faith sound like drugs. Which in that case I agree, smoke away! Happiness to all!~

let's throw away the pursuit of knowledge and expanding our horizons and just agree that life is indeed very very hard so there must be a god to make up for it. Oh and angels. Oh and one got cast down and turned into satan who took the form of a snake and basically mind screwed the first girl into becoming a demon forcing god to make woman from mans ribcage so he'd be only obedient to him. Yes, woman are property, the book says so.

Hurray! Now all is right with the world and we can live in happiness.

lol

Who takes anything in the bible seriously. We don't copy and paste everything from the new testament says and force it down on people. Grow up, theres more to life then refreshing reddit every 15 mins getting off of free cam porn and playing LoL. Let them believe whatever nonsense they believe in.

Not believing in God, a God, or Gods is just as valid as believing in him/her/shim/it/them.

Me? Not religious. I can't say I believe, but I can't really say I don't. Its no one's business anyway so haha

Clearly your ability to evaluate a debate is on the same level as your ability to evaluate evidence.

again with the insults and no actually presenting any evidence. why are you making flat statements? i cannot argue against them you insult me and provide no evidence why i am wrong or try to convince me otherwise. im happy to debate with you in a civil manner but if you keep simply insulting me i will ignore you.

as for the debate first off the catholic's premise for making his arguments were flawed beyond belief. so i found the debate pointless (btw u didn't link the actual debate you only linked what the atheist said). plain case of taking turning literal statements in the bible and making allegory of them that is so rampant in the catholic church. if he had actual defined good (which the bible does) he could have made a much better case. though i still think he wouldn't have understood enough to actually debate.

have you actualy looked and listened to the videos i gave you? or is this just a one way thing >.>

Closing your eyes to Science because you believe in Religion is the same as closing your eyes to Religion because you believe in Science. Using anything as a reason to not be open to new concepts and ideas is a farce.

I am so very tired of people thinking its either or when it comes to Religion and Science, when that couldn't be further from the truth. Some of the most respected, educated, and innovative thinkers were also devoutly Religious.

couple problems first yes god will forgive you, but that doesn't mean the people you wronged have and you will have to bear the consequences. second you must repent and turn away from your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior to be redeemed nothing more nothing less. if you actually do this it will be evident in your life and you wont be doing those things. that's not to say someone couldn't backslide and make mistakes we all do we all have sin and are therefore incapable of perfection were gonna make bad choices.

secondly the catholic church is one of many church's the "church" of Christianity is the body of Christ people doing the will of god just because you do something and say you do it in gods name doesn't make it right or mean god condones it. the government that is the catholic church is not the christian church and they have fallen far from what it has been an apostate like organization for many hundreds of years and made allegory of the literal for just as long.

dont worry the catholic church will get its due if it does not reform its ways. btw the by the meaning religion has taken on nowadays jesus was anti religious. he was anti ritualistic dogmatic organization that seeks to gain power and control of people.

That last line tickled me. Catholics came first, you know that right? xD And we live in a society where we can be hermits and still be successful so does the damnation of our fellows really mean anything if god is always willing to forgive? xD

exactly. there is much in the bible of the workings of the world.

for instance the man widely considered the father of modern oceanography learned what he did because of passages like this (though i am unsure of the location of the passage he was obsessed with about pathways through the ocean *another case of taking the bible literally and finding the truth).

JOB 36:27-36:30

For he draws up the drops of water.
which distill as rain from the mist (vapour works too).
which the clouds drop down and pour abundantly on man.

Ecclesiastes 1:6,5

The wing goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north;
it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full;
unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

and with that you have the water cycle and a hint of the jetstreams (there is more about them in other places) and this is old testament. do you have any idea how old this knowledge is? this stuff was kinda like a blow to the head to me.

first off no they did not, jesus was not catholic. (and also not white as the church for some reason portrays him even though i think putting up pictures of him that they dont even know are actual likenesses of him and that they at the very least know the skin colour is false is a mistake)

really how much of the bible have you read? and if you haven't read any then there is little to argue as any credible source can tell you the same thing. (btw the catholics persecuted any christiants who didnt follow their edicts). and the first churchs were simply peoples dwellings where they would meet to read the bible.

EDIT: oh and yes it does first off if someone is truly a christian (follower of christ) their actions will bear witness for them (meaning they will repent of their sins and turn away from them). so if they arent following god its obvious god knows your heart and knows if you truly are seriously trying to do what god wants. next yes and no you still have to pay the price for your actions (if you murder someone you go to jail or death sentance+ jail.)

Nooo, it's pretty easy. You can use philosophy to make a hardcore religious person rethink about religion. All the things people say to prove god is real are absolutely ridiculous and child's play.

"Well who created us other than god?"

"No other being out there is as powerful as god, so he must created us!" << Can't ask this question unless you're assuming there is a god so this isn't even a counterproductive argument.

And what's with priest molesting children? This is not a false rumor, these things actually happens.

A child I once knew wrote about a black hole that devoured light and brought pause to the universe, so for the universe to co-exist with this endless consumer of visions they surrounded the hole and navigated around it's desires to find a way to live in peace with it. I guess this child must be jesus for he knew the workings of a Black Hole before he was 7 lol Book isn't anything more then that.

Do I push my ideas on people? Sure as hell I do, people got there opinions and ideals from people like me pushing ourselves on them to begin with. If you honestly believed your crap to begin with you wouldn't even worry yourself with me pushing my logic unto yours. If I get into your head it means something was wrong with your original logic.

Equally, if you don't like the way things are said here you can kindly ask people to stop or leave the conversation, if I see any more whining I'm going to bring up a big chart of every time the bible contradicted itself and we can spend the next life time debating why the bible was a political tool and nothing more. For that's all that honestly matter when it comes to the bible: the outcome it has had on us. And it's outcome: Bad.

Religion was a stepping stone for our civilization to help guide it into a morale basis. Time to call it common knowledge now and start movin' on.

I'd just like to point out as a History major who has studied the time era. There is tons of historical evidence that the first Christians were not Catholic rather, they were non sanctioned believers that followed specific teachings and gospels in their own homes. They worshiped privately, preached pacifism, and most did not want a unified Christian church.

When the Catholic church was established, they then started to pick and choose which gospels were and were not "worship worthy". So from the very start the Catholic church was already distorting Jesus's teachings.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

Edit: As someone who was raised by a man with a Theology PhD degree from Cambridge (if you are educated you know how truly impressive that is) I just want people to be aware of a few things.

1.The bible is full of gospels, meaning it is written by many many different people. Not one single person wrote it, so yes, there are bound to be contradictions.

2.The book is not to be read and taken literal or as fact. A lot of the way it was written was to help try and explain our universe while also teaching a moral and ethical lesson.

3.As Science progresses there are tons of parts of the bible that are no longer relevant or correct. And just because of this, doesn't prove the entire book to be right or wrong. The moral and ethical teachings are still very important and relevant.

4.The problem with Religion is not Religion it self, its the majority of people who follow it blindly. Religion is an easy answer for a lot of uneducated people who don't want to think. They would rather just believe everything they read in a Book and not be forced into thinking for their own, which directly goes against what I believe Religion to be.

5.Religion is a GREAT thing that has been used horribly. Does every single person NEED Religion? No of course not, some people are able to create and find a morally good, way to live without ever needing to resort to Religion to teach them how.

6.Religion is different for every single person, so for you judge an entire group of people is just as moronic as the extremest that want to keep Gay marriage illegal. I do not blame the whole for the actions of extremists. The same way I do not fear or blame Islam for 9/11 or the terrorists that have killed so many. (We should not blame the gun that kills, rather the shooter)

I often wonder what the world would be like if there was no religion. We could probably progressed through the age of space travel, humanized robots, etc because we would all be focusing on science.

Religious.
Because I don’t believe we are the only ones in the entire universe and not the most advance.
In other words I believe that there are people (if you want to call them that) that have advanced beyond the corporeal state and look over us like someone would an ant farm. When the bible was written the one writing it did so based on what the world was like at that time and what they know I believe as we move out to the stars a new understanding of the word of god will be known.
They see god as a person because they could not comprehend pure energy. Same with the burning bush.
Made in his image I believe is a person sole not their physical self.