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Even if there was a god. When i die and see them. I will stick my middle finger up and say fuck you. Do you have any idea what it's like to be human ? I'd rather go to hell than have you judge me. But since there isn't any superior beings, my body is just going to decay in the ground :D


Why do you bear such resentment?


I don't resent anything. I would rather go to hell then spend an eternity with the most oblivious being to exist. =o


What a rather deist-atheist response


It isn't Deism. That is only if there was an actual superior being. I don't believe one actually exist. In my opinion, gods were just a mere imaginative excuse for abnormal events. Or just a way to establish order and power. But who knows, maybe there is actually someone watching over us. If there is, I definitely wouldn't want to be near them, it's just creepy.


Does that mean we should stop watching videos of really cute cats?


Nevaaaa ! =o

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Wait, how did we go from talking about religion to cats ? o_O
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Wait, how did we go from talking about religion to cats ? o_O


Because cats are cats, and they have an adorable hold on humanity.
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minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:


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Wait, how did we go from talking about religion to cats ? o_O


Because cats are cats, and they have an adorable hold on humanity.


No one can argue with that ! If so, we burn them =l
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perfectmayhem wrote:


minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:


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Wait, how did we go from talking about religion to cats ? o_O


Because cats are cats, and they have an adorable hold on humanity.


No one can argue with that ! If so, we burn them =l


Just kidding :D
Or am I ? ;o
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Deist here. I don't believe in god, or allah, or any of those beings. But I DO believe that there was an emotionless being who created the universe; nothing more, nothing less.
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wow there's some hardcore opinions going on in here
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Bunch of immature posts too. Anyways, I don't know how to answer that because I don't know what I truly believe in. One can simply believe in science to answer many of our questions but science itself is ever changing and ever evolving. What may be a scientific answer now for the creation of the universe could change tomorrow,next week, next month, next year etc. It's as concrete as a religion. I'll probably grow old and die before I can come to an answer for this question. I respect everyone's belief as long as it makes them happy. Whether you believe in a heaven or hell, or multiple gods and even science then more power to you. Just research things before coming to conclusion. Then again its easier for many to just come up with their own theories and based conclusions on that =\


Sorry for horrible post. On phone lol.
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Bunch of immature posts too. Anyways, I don't know how to answer that because I don't know what I truly believe in. One can simply believe in science to answer many of our questions but science itself is ever changing and ever evolving. What may be a scientific answer now for the creation of the universe could change tomorrow,next week, next month, next year etc. It's as concrete as a religion. I'll probably grow old and die before I can come to an answer for this question. I respect everyone's belief as long as it makes them happy. Whether you believe in a heaven or hell, or multiple gods and even science then more power to you. Just research things before coming to conclusion. Then again its easier for many to just come up with their own theories and based conclusions on that =\


Sorry for horrible post. On phone lol.
hmm yes, I do like science
and there are some interesting things i find from them. As you said science is always changing, but its also imperfect too just as humans are. I also totally agree with you on the fact that research must be done before anything. Even Jesus set the standard when examining religion which i find very informative. Thank you for your input
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http://youtu.be/9XzYpJMAiBE

I can do this too. It means absolutely nothing both ways. Both videos press on their own beliefs of why they are correct. Both are spoken/written by humans who are flawed by nature. I love how the guy in that video kept pressing on about Earth's timeline despite the fact that time was recorded differently during those times.

Edit: First hand experience and actually research and studies are more respectable then hearing it from one's mouth. I enjoyed the video though. Got some nice notes out of it.
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I don't believe in god because I don't need anyone to guide me. I'm a good person because I want to be a good person, not because it would ensure me entry to heaven or because someone would approve.
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Well, it has certainly turned into its own little argument.

Purpose, god, and meaning - these are all human concepts. They have very little "meaning" to the universe, and equally, the terms purposeless, meaningless and no god have as equal "meaning" to the universe. They are words we use to explain our existence. They are arbitrary. Whether you believe in God or not means very little in the long run because it is more likely that we are all incredibly incorrect in our theories than any one of us having the ability to perceive something beyond our objective reality, because we are limited to our limited senses and our flawed existence as limited beings. At what point did you believe evolution has reached its full capacity that we are able to interpret anything outside of the human experience on an accurate level? Science is well and good, but it doesn't explain why or how evolution exists and operates.

In truth, everybody is following their best guess and despite inaccuracies or scientific contradictions in religious doctrine there is no indication that life has purpose or lacks purpose. There is no evidence that life has meaning or lacks meaning. There is no evidence that these terms are even applicable to us outside of our existence as human beings.

The biggest lesson one can take from life is the incredibly subjective nature of existence itself. We can observe that people perceive life differently just as they perceive pain differently. And yet, subjectivity and objectivity are again, human concepts and terms. What life actually is and the actuality of life is a mystery. And will probably remain a mystery until humanity's dying breath and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Energy can not be created or destroyed and thus we can assume since the very beginning all matter and energy that makes up each individual was present from the start, if there even was a start or beginning. Meaning, at one point in time we were all condensed together as a single cosmic entity and one day we will return to the very same collective. The loved ones you have lost live on through flowers, trees, birds, other animals and so forth, as the cycle of life continues. The only real theory that is up for debate is whether or not our consciousness remains intact in some form after death, other than that; it seems heaven exists, our egos may not get to experience it. Life eternal, in what form?

I am by no means religious, nor do I believe in a god. I believe the word god is too abstract. The word god can mean almost anything. It can have a face, it can be a man, it can be an entity, the entirety of everything or simply be love. Therefore I make no arguments for or against god because it seems to me that the word god is simply a metaphor for "purpose" or "meaning". Human concepts that people fear dissipate with their deaths and yet they fail to realize that if there is no purpose or meaning, there is neither a lack of purpose or a lack of meaning.

Human perception is neat, but at no point assume you have anything figured out. And be humble with your beliefs, whatever you choose to believe.
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http://youtu.be/9XzYpJMAiBE

I can do this too. It means absolutely nothing both ways. Both videos press on their own beliefs of why they are correct. Both are spoken/written by humans who are flawed by nature. I love how the guy in that video kept pressing on about Earth's timeline despite the fact that time was recorded differently during those times.

Edit: First hand experience and actually research and studies are more respectable then hearing it from one's mouth. I enjoyed the video though. Got some nice notes out of it.


I'm going to have to disagree with your statement you made about how humans are flawed by nature. Nature has nothing to do with us being "flawed" there is nothing inherently bad about humankind. But there is something inherently bad about our culture and it is little surprise that this myth of inherent flaws has appeared to explain our problems away. What we need to do is to become aware of the flaws of our culture and the problems that our cultural mythology causes and come up with something new. We can't continue destroying the world and use the excuse that we can't help it. We can help it, as long as we recognize that humanity isn't the problem - our way of life and how we treat people are the problem.
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First, (EDITED FOR CLARITY) Some people on this forum seem to want to either have no God or sit on the fence about what they believe. they are speaking as this modern generation does: attempting to bridge what they see as gaps with religion through a Relativist approach. 'As long as everyone is sincere, what's the harm?' Simplistic at best, such a philosophy dies at the first onslaught of real life, where presuppositions are required. After all, being sincere is exactly what every dead NPC or red-shirt character is before they get whacked.

I won't pretend to know truth of myself, because we are all limited by the spectacles we use. Rather, I will rely on the Bible for my source of truth, since God does not lie (yes, there are actual Jews and there really was a dude named Jesus who got crucified for claiming He was God).

I do not believe in the maybe-God, but in the Certain God. I do not have to convince anyone of God because they already know Him (Romans 1). Even your conscience bears witness that lying, stealing, and adultery are wrong...you don't need society to tell you being robbed is a crime...you know it is.
John 3:18-19 says they (well, everyone really) resist God because they loved the darkness rather than the light. You've heard a few people say they wouldn't honor Him even if they met Him. Exactly. There is none righteous, no not one, and the reason people seek religion is to atone for their regret...which is actually guilt from sin.

Nor should the reader think I am being proud when I say someone is a sinner, because if I see them about to walk off a cliff from wearing Blindfolds, should I not WARN them of the danger, and say wrong way?
If God has said in Ezekiel, "when I say to the unrighteous 'you shall die', you shall warn him...that he may turn and live.".... should I not also do the same?

We are talking about people's souls here, and that should be cause enough to be jealous for their righteousness, shouldn't it?
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