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Posted 8/10/12

funnyginsan wrote:

quote from the review
" Kyoto Animation's moe magnum opus is a beautiful work that genuinely benefits from the sharp lines and clean colors of the HD format."
and since we ARE talking about animation studios


oh and this little quote gives it an immediate FUCKING BULLSHIT from me
"The first thing to know about Clannad is that it's artificial. There isn't a relationship, character, event, or emotion in it that feels real."

Some people just don't get it I guess - sad for them.


Taking quotes out of context really won't help. It's the correlation of each sentence that makes the review good and un-bias in nature. I could just use a quote out of context to support my case just like this:


...and certainly the series leaves one feeling cheap and used.


But I didn't because I believe how people view Clannad depends on their preferences. Sure, I did enjoy the series but it isn't without flaws and there are things better than it.

Also, animation studios is not all about "animation". You can have pretty art but that doesn't something like anime an automatic 'masterpiece'. The direction of the story, the writing, and composition - perhaps voice acting - are also key factors.
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Posted 8/10/12 , edited 8/10/12

AsuraCryin wrote:


funnyginsan wrote:

quote from the review
" Kyoto Animation's moe magnum opus is a beautiful work that genuinely benefits from the sharp lines and clean colors of the HD format."
and since we ARE talking about animation studios


oh and this little quote gives it an immediate FUCKING BULLSHIT from me
"The first thing to know about Clannad is that it's artificial. There isn't a relationship, character, event, or emotion in it that feels real."

Some people just don't get it I guess - sad for them.


Taking quotes out of context really won't help. It's the correlation of each sentence that makes the review good and un-bias in nature. I could just use a quote out of context to support my case just like this:


...and certainly the series leaves one feeling cheap and used.


But I didn't because I believe how people view Clannad depends on their preferences. Sure, I did enjoy the series but it isn't without flaws and there are things better than it.

Also, animation studios is not all about "animation". You can have pretty art but that doesn't something like anime an automatic 'masterpiece'. The direction of the story, the writing, and composition - perhaps voice acting - are also key factors.


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Posted 8/10/12 , edited 8/10/12


You're right on the last few parts but in many cases the story and characters are already written for animation studios (like manga and visual novels)

who they get to direct it chooses how the shots are portrayed (shinchiro watanabe for instance)

so yes, when speaking about animation studios I am of the opinion it largely comes down to animation - thus, my quote wasn't really all that much out of context.

I am also of the understanding that seiyuu don't work SOLELY for one studio or another - i'm hazy on who is responsible for getting the right voice for the right character though.

and that review gave the animation an A-
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Posted 8/10/12 , edited 8/10/12
I've seen quite a few of what I consider 'masterpieces' that lack quality animation. The whole process of editing is another enormous factor. That's why people watch anime and movies; what to leave in and what to take out. When a studio and it's staff do their jobs just right, you'll know.
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Posted 8/10/12

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We should all marathon Clannad: After Story all over again.


I'd be down for that but I doubt I could EVER keep up with your pace T_T
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Posted 8/10/12

funnyginsan wrote:

I'd be down for that but I doubt I could EVER keep up with your pace T_T






Posted 8/10/12

funnyginsan wrote:

so yes, when speaking about animation studios I am of the opinion it largely comes down to animation - thus, my quote wasn't really all that much out of context.



I was referring to your comments about the review being bias.



I am also of the understanding that seiyuu don't work SOLELY for one studio or another - i'm hazy on who is responsible for getting the right voice for the right character though.

and that review gave the animation an A-


There are different companies that employ VAs. My guess is that animation studios contact the companies and make contracts who they want or they personally contact the VAs.

If you look through the many ANN reviews, you'll see that not many things really get A-'s. It may be uncommon or rare but, nonetheless, it is a good grade.
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Posted 8/10/12

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I've seen quite a few of what I consider 'masterpieces' that lack quality animation. The whole process of editing is another enormous factor. That's why people watch anime and movies; what to leave in and what to take out. When a studio and it's staff do their jobs just right, you'll know.


Again, (as I said) isn't that really up to the director how things are shot and edited? (like in movies) Is it somehow different with animation companies? and don't directors in anime work for different animation companies?

I'd agree with you there though (desperately trying to get the thread back on track) a GREAT story doesn't need wonderful animation BUT we are talking about the best animation companies and I would still think that KyoAni is better than sunrise and studio pierrot.

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Posted 8/10/12 , edited 8/10/12
Yeah, keep in mind that neither AsuraCryin or I have stated that Clannad is bad or even not great. But we also feel it does have flaws and is a tad formulaic.
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Posted 8/10/12 , edited 8/10/12

funnyginsan wrote:


kufirst wrote:

I've seen quite a few of what I consider 'masterpieces' that lack quality animation. The whole process of editing is another enormous factor. That's why people watch anime and movies; what to leave in and what to take out. When a studio and it's staff do their jobs just right, you'll know.


Again, (as I said) isn't that really up to the director how things are shot and edited? (like in movies) Is it somehow different with animation companies? and don't directors in anime work for different animation companies?

I'd agree with you there though (desperately trying to get the thread back on track) a GREAT story doesn't need wonderful animation BUT we are talking about the best animation companies and I would still think that KyoAni is better than sunrise and studio pierrot.



Generally, directors stick with one studio. Hence AsuraCryin's Shinbo reference.

Like I said, Clannad is worthy of most it's praise and KyoAni has a great track record but I still can't put it ahead of studios that have made great(er) works even if they've also made bad ones. Definitely not Bones though.
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Posted 8/10/12 , edited 8/10/12

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funnyginsan wrote:

I'd be down for that but I doubt I could EVER keep up with your pace T_T








I could do 6 episodes a day if that works - I just haven't been able to do the 12eps or 24 episode marathons like I used to T_T


I'm still of the opinion that the anime review was done by someone who simply didn't "get" the anime so yes, I think it is VERY biased.

and since it got an A- and that's a good grade wouldn't that make KyoAni a GREAT animation company? - I'm picky on voices (yes even Japanese ones) and the anime listed fit the characters and animation PERFECTLY! - just look at Haruhi and Kyon
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Posted 8/11/12
I think with discussions like these, animation companies tend to specialise in certain areas, eg Sunrise with mecha, and "better" usually means "I like their work more"

For example, it's easy for me to picture a K-On pitch, where they were told they'd be getting the look and feel of Haruhi, with the personailty of Lucky Star. I can't see Kyoto doing a Sin City style cyberpunk look, but I love the crisp, clean look they've developed.

Certainly if you look at the average ratings and rankings of shows like Haruhi, Lucky Star, K-On, Clannad they've all been very well received.
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Posted 8/11/12
i hope they make action anime too, they always do moe
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Yeah, it's called kindness and I never said I wouldn't take part.

MONSTER, MASTER KEATON, BLACK LAGOON, KAIBA, SATOSHI KON, REDLINE, CHIHAYAFURU, DENNOU COIL, NANA, TATAMI GALAXY, NANA, BECK: MONGOLIAN CHOP SQUAD, MEMORIES, THE GIRL WHO LEAPT THROUGH TIME, CARDCAPTOR SAKURA, ONE OUTS, DEATH NOTE



Is this supposed to make Madhouse look good or.....?

Monster though.


Madhouse does have more quality series though... Sure how involved they have been in these series vary, but that's beside the point...




Some of these are generally solid, some are high quality and a few one are god-tier.


As a side-note, I found several new shows and films to watch thanks to this list.




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