Dishonorable Disclosures (US Politics)
Posted 8/16/12
There is a youtube video going viral at the moment, called Dishonorable Disclosures. In a nutshell, it's a bunch of US navy seals and military intelligence officers having a go at politicians, mostly Obama, about revealing too much Operational Information to the media for political gain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Xfti7qtT0

I was just wondering what some of you thought of it.

The immediate responses of people on youtube and facebook seem to be the typical (terrifying) extreme knee-jerk reactions that come whenever the safety of American soldiers is brought up. To be honest that always scares the crap out of me, that mob mentality.
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Well, if these people are serving our nation, for whatever reason, putting their lives on the line, they better have the greatest safety ensured for them. I, personally, don't agree with much of what the US military is doing, I don't agree with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, or where ever privileged people with more power than sense wants to send our troops. I do, however, think that our soldiers, even if they are unwitting pawns for those five star wankers and their masters, should be afforded the greatest safety for their willingness to risk death for their own country. I think their reaction is justified, some of these people have relatives in the military or empathy for those with relatives in the military. It is neither mob mentality nor is it terrifying, it is being human.
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I think we have a standard to live up to. We still believe that we as a nation is tolerable and has control of her own power, that we are a shining example above the rest on accountability. This day in age nothing can be kept hush hush, they use to have spy's and spend years trying to infiltrate something as well as jep their lives. Now we have cell phones with gps that people can pick up and allows anyone know where you are. We want to know whats happening out there, they are our sons and daughters.. we wanna feel safe that america is doing the best it can. They make it seems like its a leak, but by in large im pretty sure the enemies knows whats happening already. Its not being human, its the coming of a age where anyone with these new brilliant technologies and these hubs that can blast it. Its the power of the people.
Posted 8/16/12

longfenglim wrote:

Well, if these people are serving our nation, for whatever reason, putting their lives on the line, they better have the greatest safety ensured for them. I, personally, don't agree with much of what the US military is doing, I don't agree with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, or where ever privileged people with more power than sense wants to send our troops. I do, however, think that our soldiers, even if they are unwitting pawns for those five star wankers and their masters, should be afforded the greatest safety for their willingness to risk death for their own country. I think their reaction is justified, some of these people have relatives in the military or empathy for those with relatives in the military. It is neither mob mentality nor is it terrifying, it is being human.


I understand and empathize with those who have relatives in the military. Their reaction may be justified even. It doesn't make it less terrifying to me though. There are a few things that most Americans are irrational about: Soldiers, children, to a lesser extent religion.. are some examples. They have such strong feelings about these things that as soon as they are threatened the people are easily manipulated. I guess my point, and dislike for the video is this: Intentional or not, it is a perfect propaganda piece. It feeds on very real fears and targets the natural excitement and anger at a target, this time Obama. A lot of people, those inclined to make decisions through their feelings in particular, are lashing out without thinking about the source. Who paid for the video? Was there an alternative motive to it? Why attack so closely to elections if they claim to be non-partisan? They don't care, all they can think of is their son or daughter in Afghanistan. That's what bothered me - I watched blatant propaganda in action, and it worked perfectly. For better or for worse, the lack of skepticism is disturbing.

Don't think I'm just trying to defend Obama.. I'm fairly apathetic to politics, and I know for certain that I won't be voting this year.
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longfenglim wrote:

Well, if these people are serving our nation, for whatever reason, putting their lives on the line, they better have the greatest safety ensured for them. I, personally, don't agree with much of what the US military is doing, I don't agree with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, or where ever privileged people with more power than sense wants to send our troops. I do, however, think that our soldiers, even if they are unwitting pawns for those five star wankers and their masters, should be afforded the greatest safety for their willingness to risk death for their own country. I think their reaction is justified, some of these people have relatives in the military or empathy for those with relatives in the military. It is neither mob mentality nor is it terrifying, it is being human.


I understand and empathize with those who have relatives in the military. Their reaction may be justified even. It doesn't make it less terrifying to me though. There are a few things that most Americans are irrational about: Soldiers, children, to a lesser extent religion.. are some examples. They have such strong feelings about these things that as soon as they are threatened the people are easily manipulated. I guess my point, and dislike for the video is this: Intentional or not, it is a perfect propaganda piece. It feeds on very real fears and targets the natural excitement and anger at a target, this time Obama. A lot of people, those inclined to make decisions through their feelings in particular, are lashing out without thinking about the source. Who paid for the video? Was there an alternative motive to it? Why attack so closely to elections if they claim to be non-partisan? They don't care, all they can think of is their son or daughter in Afghanistan. That's what bothered me - I watched blatant propaganda in action, and it worked perfectly. For better or for worse, the lack of skepticism is disturbing.

Don't think I'm just trying to defend Obama.. I'm fairly apathetic to politics, and I know for certain that I won't be voting this year.


Why is it irrational or terrifying? That their kins or their lovers are left more venerable because of a politician's lust for power? It is the only rational way to respond: to question, to attack, to denounce- it is rational to ask for an explanation on what could have killed our citizen, it is rational to attack anyone who have left our citizen in danger, it is rational to denounce a president who acted so. Could it be simply a partisan ad aimed to attack the president with falsehood, like the Boatmen thing a few years back, maybe. And we should investigate whether these claims are true, but to denounce it wholesale because it raises a question, a valid question, unlike whether Obama was Kenyan or whether he is a Mahometan, a question in which lives were put in danger. The investigation should not focus on the attack ad, it should focus on the validity of its claim- the truth of its statement is independent of its source. Maybe it is a bunch of lies, and maybe the president didn't endanger the troops for political gains, let both side present their argument. You say you fear that people are accepting it too readily, are being manipulated, being told that their sons' and daughters' live are in danger, driving people to paranoia, a legitimate fear over the people's sometimes unwarranted tendencies to be moved, to a greater or lesser degree, by the very idea of their nation's children and people being harmed, but while lack of scepticism is bad, lack of empathy is worse.
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Posted 8/17/12
Haven't seen the video but it sounds like the fastboat smear all over again. Fear and Patriotism seem to be the only cards the hardcore right wing knows how to play.
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