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Why Goku Is the strongest character ever created and i will explane why!with actual facts backing me up and video proof
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The strongest anime/manga character would be Dark Schneider.

Speed: He can throw millions of punches a second and massively faster than light.




A Seraph who is already faster than light can't even keep up with Dark Schneider's movements. Goku will get blitzed


Durability: Doesn't really need it, you need to destroy him in 3 different planes/dimension or he will just regenerate. In Majin form, Dark Schneider is surrounded by hundreds to thousands of shields known as Dispel Bound, which must normally be defeated one at a time in order to get to his body








Firepower: Dark Schneider is a master of magic, particularly fire magic. With spells such as Exodus and Black Sabbath, he can generate thousands of degrees Celsius in heat (a million in the latter)- before utilizing the Judas Pain to power into Majin form. He can also summon a several thousand ton Golem. The seven pieces of the Judas Pain are capable of destroying a galaxy according to Raphael, and in his battle with Uriel, Dark Schneider casually shattered the Black Abyss of five million suns in mass simply as an aftermath of the fight, which shattered the dimensional boundary between Hell and the living world.












Enrico Pucci: He can reset the universe
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I watched the first video on speed, and he used an inaccurate model to base his assertions on.
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Kamehameha is a word recognized by by CR's spell check. Game-Set-Match.


That's because it's the name of a semi-famous person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_I
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Yeah I read this entire thread and



Personally I like Dragon Ball over DBZ

But Goku is the Superman of anime. Meaning he is absurdly strong. Ever the rule breaker.

Even if he encountered a reality manipulator like Haruhi who wished him from existence he would end up in a nothingness place and power his was back into the world (kinda like what Super Buu did in the Time Chamber) if he got turned into a fish well he'd be the most powerful fish ever.
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dbz takes over powered to a level thats beyond most animes i mean if you look at comic heroes idd say hulk would never be bet even by superman but goku could destroy both with a couple of punches.
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AsuraCryin wrote:


funnyginsan wrote:

Kamehameha is a word recognized by by CR's spell check. Game-Set-Match.


That's because it's the name of a semi-famous person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_I


I was going to do some trite comment as a come back since these types of forums can be draining but screw it I have time.

You're right that is why it wasn't corrected but overall Kamehameha has become part of the American lexicon (or at least it is where I live). Ask the average joe what a Geass or Rasengan is and he probably won't know but Kamehameha he'll probably have some idea.

What is at the heart of these types of threads (for me) is not giving credit where credit is due. DBZ is probably one of the most successful prolific anime on the planet. It is almost solely responsible for anime being as popular in America as it is now. Goku alone has been the mascot for anime for at least a decade (now I'm not so sure if he fits the bill). Not to mention how it has influenced almost EVERY (physical based *since I know ppl will nit-pick this*) shounen anime ever made afterwards.

The main problem with even debating the "fictional strongest character" is that just about anyone could come up with reasons for how he could lose/win. I could make an argument that Batman could be Goku and heres how.
"Batman watches Goku from the shadows studying his anatomy and his weaknesses. Being the genius that batman is he finds that Gokus only real weakness is to a viral infection. He studies what almost killed Goku before and with his money and power creates a super strain to destroy him from the inside. Using Gokus trust and lack of intelligence as a weakness he administers the virus through some sort of spray that Goku doesn't even know he is exposed to. Goku dies a few days later. Batman wins."
It's just ridiculous really. Hell in a fair fight Goku would crush Batman like a bug since he has no real physical weakness (unlike superman). You could argue till the sun goes down about this though and never really reach a conclusion.

Comparing Goku to ANY comic-book characters is beyond ridiculous though since almost every comic-book character has had multiple revamps and interpretations as opposed to Goku in dragonball and DBZ. It's another reason why I like Batman comics far more than the others. Strap all the gadgets to him as you want, at the end of the day Bruce Wayne has to be quintessentially human or else it's a bad comic. (got sidetracked) Anyways, with the Hulk or Superman you can make them as strong or as weak as you want to just as long as Superman is from Krypton and the Hulk got changed in a freak accident. Hell, Superman even came back as ELECTRICITY in a series of comics. This is pretty cool for us comic-book readers since we get something fresh and new over and over again but any arguments made about "which is stronger" makes it utterly impossible to decide since you have to quote which comic book you are talking about. SO if you are looking at the original inceptions of Superman and The Hulk yes, Goku is unquestionably stronger and since Goku has only had ONE inception by ONE man (Akira Toriyama) that is what I go off of. Others could go off of later interpretations and say they are right and the arguments could go on till the end of time. To me though, Goku will always be the strongest so it would be a bit like trying to move a boulder with a plushie toy and I suspect me saying that to a hardcore Superman fan would be the same.

I doubt you could point to any other anime and say "Yes this has made a bigger impact on the Western anime industry" than DBZ. Hell I love Cowboy Bebop and even I wouldn't say it had bigger impact even though I think that anime is far superior. Personally, after the Cell saga DBZ got utterly ridiculous but that isn't the point. The point is that respect should be given where respect is deserved. Dragonball and Dragonball Z fit that bill. If Goku isn't the absolute strongest he sure as hell is in the upper echelon of the list.
I can COMPLETELY understand why someone wouldn't like DBZ at all and that's fine with me but when you attack an anime that is dear to the hearts of so many people you're going to get a backlash which is mainly what this thread is about.

Now to debunk some myths that bother me.
The Death Note only works on humans. It wouldn't work on Goku. This really isn't debatable since Death Note itself is very picky about it's rules and the first rules states "The human whose name is written in this note shall die." not Humanoid not "anything on this planet" it says "HUMAN". so - nope.
Haruhi has to think to be able to banish him and Goku could crush her before that happens. I like Haruhi quite a bit but honestly "If your god can be shot, stabbed or bludgeoned to death it isn't much of a god." I always like Mikurus explanation for what she is a bit better anyways. Probably some debate on this for a hardcore fan but listening to that argument wouldn't even register in my head. I saw this and one of the first thoughts was "No, just no." so whatever works for you I guess.

Anyways, that's my spiel on this crap. Think it's time to abandon the thread though. Have fun debating back and forth I guess. If I had to say anything truthful though it would be
"Goku is unquestionably one of the strongest fictional characters ever created." if you want to go back and forth who is number one then HAVE FUN BUDDY!

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I just realized something... All of DB and DBZ movies(with the exception of Bardock special) are non-canon. DBGT is also considered as non-canon.

Well what do you know, this Janemba crap argument is just a farce after all!
Posted 8/21/12

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You're right that is why it wasn't corrected but overall Kamehameha has become part of the American lexicon (or at least it is where I live). Ask the average joe what a Geass or Rasengan is and he probably won't know but Kamehameha he'll probably have some idea.


That doesn't have any basis unless this was a Holy Grail war in the Nasuverse where the reputation of a character is important.


What is at the heart of these types of threads (for me) is not giving credit where credit is due. DBZ is probably one of the most successful prolific anime on the planet. It is almost solely responsible for anime being as popular in America as it is now. Goku alone has been the mascot for anime for at least a decade (now I'm not so sure if he fits the bill). Not to mention how it has influenced almost EVERY (physical based *since I know ppl will nit-pick this*) shounen anime ever made afterwards.


Guess what, the characters mentioned to be more powerful than Goku aren't given any credit either. Again, the significance of the material does not equalize its power level.


The main problem with even debating the "fictional strongest character" is that just about anyone could come up with reasons for how he could lose/win. I could make an argument that Batman could be Goku and heres how.
"Batman watches Goku from the shadows studying his anatomy and his weaknesses. Being the genius that batman is he finds that Gokus only real weakness is to a viral infection. He studies what almost killed Goku before and with his money and power creates a super strain to destroy him from the inside. Using Gokus trust and lack of intelligence as a weakness he administers the virus through some sort of spray that Goku doesn't even know he is exposed to. Goku dies a few days later. Batman wins." It's just ridiculous really. Hell in a fair fight Goku would crush Batman like a bug since he has no real physical weakness (unlike superman). You could argue till the sun goes down about this though and never really reach a conclusion.


Not all fights have to be fight. There are many ways to be powerful; sheer strength being one of them. Intelligence is power, too. Are you forgetting that? Guess what, the arguments being spouted are just "X has Y powers!" When has the OP even considered Goku's intelligence and morals? He hasn't. Those are major factor to how Goku or how any other character works.


Comparing Goku to ANY comic-book characters is beyond ridiculous though since almost every comic-book character has had multiple revamps and interpretations as opposed to Goku in dragonball and DBZ. It's another reason why I like Batman comics far more than the others. Strap all the gadgets to him as you want, at the end of the day Bruce Wayne has to be quintessentially human or else it's a bad comic. (got sidetracked) Anyways, with the Hulk or Superman you can make them as strong or as weak as you want to just as long as Superman is from Krypton and the Hulk got changed in a freak accident. Hell, Superman even came back as ELECTRICITY in a series of comics. This is pretty cool for us comic-book readers since we get something fresh and new over and over again but any arguments made about "which is stronger" makes it utterly impossible to decide since you have to quote which comic book you are talking about. SO if you are looking at the original inceptions of Superman and The Hulk yes, Goku is unquestionably stronger and since Goku has only had ONE inception by ONE man (Akira Toriyama) that is what I go off of. Others could go off of later interpretations and say they are right and the arguments could go on till the end of time. To me though, Goku will always be the strongest so it would be a bit like trying to move a boulder with a plushie toy and I suspect me saying that to a hardcore Superman fan would be the same.


It doesn't matter if they're revamps, as long as the sources are canonical, then they're fine. All right, Goku is the strongest to you, that's cool. I respect your opinion and hope you reciprocate. I've major problems with fanboys who refuse to accept criticisms about their favorite series and that's what OP seems like to me.


I doubt you could point to any other anime and say "Yes this has made a bigger impact on the Western anime industry" than DBZ. Hell I love Cowboy Bebop and even I wouldn't say it had bigger impact even though I think that anime is far superior. Personally, after the Cell saga DBZ got utterly ridiculous but that isn't the point. The point is that respect should be given where respect is deserved. Dragonball and Dragonball Z fit that bill. If Goku isn't the absolute strongest he sure as hell is in the upper echelon of the list.
I can COMPLETELY understand why someone wouldn't like DBZ at all and that's fine with me but when you attack an anime that is dear to the hearts of so many people you're going to get a backlash which is mainly what this thread is about.


Astro Boy comes to mind for how it influence other anime. Tezaku Osamu is someone that also comes to mind. Sailor Moon, Evangelion, Gundam are at the top of my head. So, criticizing people's favorite anime means the reviewer deserves backlash? That's bullshit. It's pure fanboyism and just negligence of accepting flaws. This thread isn't about bashing on Goku or DBZ. We're raising valid points against the fallacies brought up by the OP. He states Goku is the strongest, we state otherwise. This is a discussion. I'll reiterate: popularity does not equal to strength of a character [unless it's the Nasuverse].


Now to debunk some myths that bother me.
The Death Note only works on humans. It wouldn't work on Goku. This really isn't debatable since Death Note itself is very picky about it's rules and the first rules states "The human whose name is written in this note shall die." not Humanoid not "anything on this planet" it says "HUMAN". so - nope.
Haruhi has to think to be able to banish him and Goku could crush her before that happens. I like Haruhi quite a bit but honestly "If your god can be shot, stabbed or bludgeoned to death it isn't much of a god." I always like Mikurus explanation for what she is a bit better anyways. Probably some debate on this for a hardcore fan but listening to that argument wouldn't even register in my head. I saw this and one of the first thoughts was "No, just no." so whatever works for you I guess.


Agreed but I'll raise counter arguments:

- Death Note: Depends on how you define "human". Aliens can be humane. It didn't clarify human as an "Earth life form".
-TMoHS: I honestly don't think Haruhi should be mentioned. Yuki is the one that should be mentioned but this is explained in the later volumes.


Anyways, that's my spiel on this crap. Think it's time to abandon the thread though. Have fun debating back and forth I guess. If I had to say anything truthful though it would be
"Goku is unquestionably one of the strongest fictional characters ever created." if you want to go back and forth who is number one then HAVE FUN BUDDY!


I will and will not. Reason for the latter: OP is ignorant and neglects the points brought up by others. Also, that last statement is not truth. It's an opinion.
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Character power classes 101:



Goku is not invincible as you claimed... There are characters that can curbstomp Goku and even totally erase him physically and spiritually from the infinite multiverse.





so do you have the link for a bigger resolution of that chart by chance?
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Maou068 wrote:

Character power classes 101:



Goku is not invincible as you claimed... There are characters that can curbstomp Goku and even totally erase him physically and spiritually from the infinite multiverse.





so do you have the link for a bigger resolution of that chart by chance?


I got this pic from random lurking years ago... I forgot where I found it.
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toxxin wrote:


so do you have the link for a bigger resolution of that chart by chance?


Google image search got me this:

http://i.imgur.com/jszZ4.jpg

It's only slightly bigger but the text is readable.

EDIT:

It only goes up to group I, not the later.
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The only character that looks credible is "Dark Schneider" from above. Even then I could write ways where goku would win. That looks pretty cool though so I hope they make it into an anime.

If you include ANY incantations of comic book characters then I could use GT and then it would be all over. (Since that is fair play) Even better, I could include fan-fiction since it is pretty much the same thing as using ANY comic.

Nope I don't think that last statement is an opinion at all considering all the facts that others have posted that you continue to ignore. Also, in this case, yes majority opinion matters although coming up with an objective survey base would be hard. Still, considering the common occurrence of threads like these I don't think it's a stretch at all.

Death Note cares VERY much about Semantics even in it's own anime so - nope. If you want to distort the rules so that Light wins for you go ahead.

I was pointing out "Anime that influenced the west" and if you're saying Astro-Boy did more than DBZ to bring anime here to prosper .... I really don't know what to say. All the others you mentioned seemed to be Mech-centered and yes, those did influence Mecha very much in Japan. Sailor Moon is for the Magical Girl genre so again - nope. If you want to not believe this, that's your choice.

Again, I could write 100 scenarios where Yuki could win if I wanted to or where Goku could win making these arguments rather trivial.

If you have issue with the OP take it up with the OP. Yes, this thread is mostly based on physical prowess BTW. I think now would be a good time to abandon this thread since it will probably go on and on and on to infinity.
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Goku at SSJ1 on namek moves at 2,300 light years speed and one light year is = 9460730472580800
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Chousin are stronger than Goku. What good will Goku's speed and strength would do if he can't put even a scratch on Chousin? Chousin created the universe. There's no way Goku is stronger than them.
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