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I liked the art style in 70s & early 80s anime better. 80s had the best stories & the female characters were usualy tough, Now we have nothing but cliches, weak women, & art styles that imitate eachother.

What I really hate is when they remake classic animes. I can't stand the new Toward the Terra & Dirty Pair Flash was very disappointing.
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I liked the art style in 70s & early 80s anime better. 80s had the best stories & the female characters were usualy tough, Now we have nothing but cliches, weak women, & art styles that imitate eachother.

What I really hate is when they remake classic animes. I can't stand the new Toward the Terra & Dirty Pair Flash was very disappointing.


Yeah, when they remake 'Classic Animes' it's usually very disappointing. It would be extremely bad if they redid things like: Ranma 1/2 (though it could use improvement) or (FORBID) DBZ and Sailor Moon. For one, we've had enough of them, and for two they are already done, so why mess with them? If you're going to do something with an older anime, why don't you just revamp the old film strips and reprint them instead of redoing them?

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I agree with the other assessments of the old vs. new. Other than a few stand out newer series, today many of the shows are just repeats or remakes of the older ones. I know it gets more and more difficult to be unique but some of these people/companies could at least try. In some ways it's a compliment to the past.

I felt for one that in the older animes, even in the mid 90's the women leads were stronger in character. Perfect example is Madoka from Kimagure Orange Road, she was a strong, complex individual. One minute she's speaking her mind the next she was pretty vulnerable, she felt pretty human/real to me. Aside from series such as Maria sama Ga Miteru, character development is incredibly lacking now adays. Again in my opinion only.

The animation "quality" is better but there have been a lot of series in the past few years where I couldn't stand the character design. It's a turn off to me to have a character be 17 or 18 years old and look like they're in middle school. Personally, it's difficult for me to visualize some of these romances especially. They also started animating the women especially, stick thin. I mean I don't need to see big busted women to enjoy an anime, but could they at least be somewhat proportional? LOL.

There are some newer classic's out there. I enjoyed Nana and MariMite. Heavy on the drama and character development, but that's the kind of series that interests me.
Posted 4/22/08
I think most new anime is merely entertaining, some may even have a good storyline,but the so called fan service and forced humor placed where it does not belong mess the whole thing up, also that now the themes are so recurrent, it's harem or magical girl or it's powerful mysterious chosen pilots for X type of device bla blah

There are some exceptions of course, but at least I can say for sure 70% mainstream does not go as well on characters and stories as it used to be,so one has to look calmly and be patient and keep enjoying the classics that have made it's way into our hearts.

Also I must say the manga is still usually much better than the anime ,except when they keep adding and adding episodes
Posted 6/11/08

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I agree with the other assessments of the old vs. new. Other than a few stand out newer series, today many of the shows are just repeats or remakes of the older ones. I know it gets more and more difficult to be unique but some of these people/companies could at least try. In some ways it's a compliment to the past.

I felt for one that in the older animes, even in the mid 90's the women leads were stronger in character. Perfect example is Madoka from Kimagure Orange Road, she was a strong, complex individual. One minute she's speaking her mind the next she was pretty vulnerable, she felt pretty human/real to me. Aside from series such as Maria sama Ga Miteru, character development is incredibly lacking now adays. Again in my opinion only.

The animation "quality" is better but there have been a lot of series in the past few years where I couldn't stand the character design. It's a turn off to me to have a character be 17 or 18 years old and look like they're in middle school. Personally, it's difficult for me to visualize some of these romances especially. They also started animating the women especially, stick thin. I mean I don't need to see big busted women to enjoy an anime, but could they at least be somewhat proportional? LOL.

There are some newer classic's out there. I enjoyed Nana and MariMite. Heavy on the drama and character development, but that's the kind of series that interests me.


Man, I agree with you 1000000%. I am big on character development, deep plots, and strong female characters. I think DBZ and Yu Yu Hakusho was what started the male-dominated anime trends. And the anime for girls is so.... bleh. I like a few because I am a sucker for pretty men, but it is getting VERY repetitive. And I even roll my eyes in most of the scenes. After Fushigi Yuugi (my <3)...... ugh! There must NOT be enough tomboys in Japan. :<
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new versions always have guy characters look like girl and that means gundam wing which gundam trash weak leo ms and the ms battle is 30% which makes it boring old version guys looks guys like the uc gundam saga which the ms battle is lik ww3
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I like classic anime, it was a classic anime, Akira, that got me hook on anime in the first place. For me a classic anime would be one I would watch more then once. For me it is more of a continuum of great anime that I have enjoyed over the years. Anime like, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Macross, Tenchi Muyo and the Wings Honneamise. Some recent anime I've liked that I think could be classics are Last Exile, Eureka Seven, .hack and Ghost Hound. Actually, I think Deathnote could be considered a modern anime classic.

The question I find most interesting is what makes a classic anime?

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old animes are the best they had the best storyline, they would make you want to just stay sitting and watch the next episode and the next and the next, going omg whats going to happen next O_o in the newer animes its almsot like you can tell whats going to happen next, wheres the fun in that -.-

also i don't like the drawings in the newer ones it looks like they put alot less detail in them.
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I thinkk that the storyline was the best in the old ones, rarely found now. Also the artwork was a piece of work even if the story wasn't that great. What is great in the new is the animation which was lame!
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Remember I'm an old fogey who considers 'new' some of what the young'uns among us think of as 'classic'

It was the anime of the 70's and 80's that had me fascinated. As someone mentioned 'Strong female protagonists'. Interesting plots. new (to westerners)... archtypes and tropes. A willful and daring approach to history both in regards to the real world and intraShow continuity. After watching for 20 years some of what I thought was fresh has become as predictable as anything from the west. What made it new to my eyes was that I'd never seen it before.

Don't kid yourself about ecchi or hentai many anime of the period I'm talking about had... questionable.. elements. (there's parts of one of my Fave's El Hazard that just make me CRINGE) but at least the creepy bits were implied.

There was a time when panty flashes were amusing. Now it seems in anime... when in doubt, flip up a skirt.

That said I'd still rather watch a mediocre anime than most western live actions or animation. still if that's all the current stuff has going for it I don't know how much future it has.

On the subject of remakes... I think one anime remake worth watching is the new Birdy the Mighty. I think the creators of that anime did a really good job of bringing an old school classic into the 21st century.

Perhaps I am jaded after watching anime for well.. nearly 40 years counting my earliest exposure. but most of the new stuff doesn't move me nearly as much as it's predecessers. and if you don't make the audience feel something... you're doomed.


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@papagolfwhiskey: I agree with you. If you don't make the people feel something you're doomed. I've seen this for years and I can't watch much of the new animes due to this fact. I don't know, however, if the people of the world today really care about feeling anything though. They might just watch anything that allows them to escape the world and stop living for a while.
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Sadly, I know exactly what you're talking about.
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Its strange but true in the 70ies-80ies the stories were more mature i guess would be the best way to describe it. They didn't have to resort to skirt flipping as you would say. I found that the early to mid 90ies seem to have a nice balance. They tried to keep the high story quality but still light enough to laugh at every now and again. It seemed like they were moving in the right direction then they started to go backward and lose the story aspect. Well i hope they figure it out soon. I would love to see something new that could hold up story wise to the earlier stuff with the way the music and animation is now would be amazing.
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