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This question is mainly buy not limited to the Admin/Mods of Crunchyroll but all members as well.

After researching a little about laws in the US I learned that children sex is illegal in the US. (Hentai)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_the_United_States
However I failed to find anything regarding Ecchi.

I opened this topic after watching some of the shows hosted here being censored to the point I grew tired of it or annoyed. I know that every mod so far have strictly said "NO TO HENTAI!" pretty much all over.

But what about Ecchi?
I understand that there are some Ecchi stuff on the site, but most of them are bashed with a black frame across my screen.
Why? >_<

So my main question would be, are we ever going to get an adult Crunchyroll or is there one already?
Is it being considered?, maybe Premium Users only?

If you are an admin or mod please reply with a better answer than "NO AND NO!"

The rest of us can discuss on this :)

Just to be clear, Hentai means animated porn, tentacle rape, etc.
Ecchi means perverted, boobies, etc.
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Posted 8/28/12
It is censored because they get what is shown on T.V. and the T.V. version is censored in Japan.
Some titles that have the DVD version are uncensored like Queens Blade I think.
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Posted 8/28/12
I understand that some are censored originally.
But tittles like: So, I Can't Play H! is not. So why censor it here?
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I'm not entirely sure Crunchyroll is doing the censorship, and if CR has any say in the matter at all. I think it's getting censored (if the original source videos were not) before even being handed to CR.

Shows like R-15 on here are censored with white bars for TV in Japan, and thus CR. But the Blu-rays and such are not... Now I'd very much like to see a low level of censorship, much in part because it does get rather annoying at times. But alas, they are probably censored because the distributor is trying to broaden the market and reach more potential customers in various countries rather than risk leaving it full ecchi and limited to certain countries allowing it.

Thus giving more reason to buy the DVD/Blu-Ray versions when they come out. Since those are allowed to play host to any wide variety of content.
Posted 8/28/12


I understand that there are some Ecchi stuff on the site, but most of them are bashed with a black frame across my screen.
Why? >_<


As others have said it's probably being censored at the source to comply with Japanese laws that cover indecent material in media.




So my main question would be, are we ever going to get an adult Crunchyroll or is there one already?
Is it being considered?, maybe Premium Users only?


I wouldn't be too hopeful, but if they did it would probably require a special premium membership to prevent minors gaining access and avoid cutting off minors who have access to a premium account. Their existing content partners may have problem with their stuff being featured along side adult content (never know).




If you are an admin or mod please reply with a better answer than "NO AND NO!"


You might want to specify what you're looking for in a better answer. Clearly if they've said no, they're unwilling to add it, I guess
you could ask for specific reason but I am not sure how much better that would be since the answer is still ultimately no.

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I think CR is doing the right thing. Yes, I admit, the censoring does get a little laughable at times (especially when they follow them around like a clock). CR I think is pretty audience-friendly. There's really nothing to keep minors from looking at the naughty shows besides "are you 18, yes or no, do you wish to continue?" They really can't do anything else though to verify the audience's age. So I think to stay away from any legal trouble, etc it's better to be safe and just stick with the censors. I'm not quite sure myself, Some people say that CR censors them, and others claim that the shows came with the censors (I'm leaning towards they came like that), but I personally don't have much of a problem with them. It does take a little enjoyment away from the show, but I can manage to get past it. Besides, it gives viewers a reason to go out and buy the DVD's so they the series can make some profit. As for the "Adult CR" I haven't heard anything of the sort, so I don't really think something like that exists or is even in the works, but anything can happen lol.

I'm not very knowledgeable about this at all, and this is all 100% just my opinion. Maybe it's right, maybe it's not so feel free to disagree with anything I said, though I just thought I'd put my thoughts in.
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Yeah, most of the censorship originates in Japan. Of course, I have not checked Crunchy's whois record to see where they are owned... the laws of their country may relate to this.

Interesting to note that Japan's censorship law (article 175) has evolved over time as to what is considered obscene. The recent (post-war) definition of the pubic area as obscene has been traced to MacArthur and his rather dramatic (and prudish) influence, if not simply dictation of the Japanese Constitution. However, since the '90's, the interpretation of obscenity has relaxed and there is no legal cause I know for the current obscuration which is still prevalent. This instead can be traced mainly to the ethics associations most of the video companies and publishers belong to, which still require this, as they are concerned over the public outrage should they deviate too much from what the general public might consider obscene, leading to backlash and further regulation (or so they fear).
Posted 8/28/12
nah i don't want this to be considered a hentai website, they need to keep doing what they do BUT remove those fucking black bars
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Posted 8/28/12
I dont want Crunchyroll to be considered a Hentai website neither.
However I do want them to leave Ecchi alone.

Anyone who watched "So, I Can't Play H!" can tell that the ones censoring is Crunchyroll themselves.
They only started to censor them at episode 6 or so into the anime.
Prior to that, the anime itself was uncensored.

Same can be applied to other anime tittles.
I watch raw videos from time to time, and Ive never found a Japanese censored anime with a huge bar across the screen.
They censor their anime more like "Spice & Wolf". (Google it)
No nipples are shown, however there is still breasts.

Or other anime tittles where they add more steam to hot springs but never over 15% of the screen is filled.

To answer the "I dont just want a NO answer"
I requested this since I saw some threads locked after simply saying NO and never give an elaborate explanation as of why.
I assume most (hopefully all) moderators are adults themselves, and as much as we all love anime I believe the anime community deserves a proper answer.
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Yeah the huge black bars are fucking annoying!!!


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I can't say I ever had a great understanding of the logic behind how shows go about censoring "explicit" nudity.

Is it really censoring at all if you show two full tits with no nipples? Are nipples really that dirty, compared to the rest of the boob? Does removing the nipples really make the situation less "sexually-charged?"

Why isn't violence held to the same standards? I don't see bars popping up everywhere when anime dudes are shooting fireballs at each other, blowing each other up with shotguns, and slicing one another with swords. Why not turn the blood green instead of red? Does that make the violence any less clear?

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I don't know ... should I give a full speech here or not? Crunchyroll's forum, especially General Discussion, is thoroughly inundated with comments that don't read the discussion and add little or repeat points already established. Which makes it hard to establish a deep discussion.

So I'll keep this short instead of hitting every point I've worked out.


First, know that I have such a severe aversion to censorship, that it can physically sicken me. Make me dizzy and nauseous. If censorship is heavy, I am physically unable to watch the show in question. Deadman Wonderland is a fine example, I wanted to watch it but censorship forced me to drop it and pretend it didn't exist. Luckily Toonami aired a less censored version than what CR had, so it was within reach of what I could watch finally. The current season's "So I can't play H!" is the current season's prime example, the premise was interesting in my attention, but nope, I can't watch because of the high censorship.

Next, you bring up child pornography laws, which is understandably relevant, but you should see "Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition", which demonstrated that US judges understand that fictional characters are genuinely fictional. There's still room to debate it, but for the most part no court can agree that these shows required harm to a minor to create it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition (You can hear the hour long debate here: http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2001/2001_00_795)

Mere ecchi I really don't think is a concern of what is legal. I think it's more of a concern of adverse reactions from parents. Crunchyroll already has a "mature content filter" in place, bypassable of course, but it isn't Crunchyroll's responsibility if such content is viewed. It is the responsibility of the viewer, which is by extension the responsibility of the parent.

If a minor has the ability to find this niche of the internet (and especially have the ability to bypass the mature content filter), then you can bet that they have the ability to find the many many places of the internet that show more mature content than CR holds. That is the parent's duty to handle. CR could also use credit card information as a more absolute proof of age, which I'd appreciate as to have a proper adult section, but many will cry it to be inconvenient or similar.

Crunchyroll's ability to stream content I think is primarily linked to the broadcasters getting the shows in Japan (plus other companies bidding for licenses). As a result, the broadcasters seem to choose that what will be streamed is the same version they will broadcast. These are primarily general access stations hence the choice to censor, while there's more premium channels (comparable to HBO) which aren't held to the same censoring requirements. However to say "it's beyond CR's control" is wrong. They have to discuss and agree on terms for the shows they get, and I think it would be wise of CR to convince the publishers that it would be more beneficial to their works that CR be given the uncensored version. I think the main reason CR doesn't show signs of that right now is per fear, they don't want to "push it" as plenty japanese companies are on the edge about believing streaming on the internet is a gain of revenue.

The primary excuse that shows get censored is because the broadcasting channels have a high volume of viewership, but some shows are DEFINITELY censored to drive up DVD sales. Of course, that is the stupidest logic to harm art with; why when your censorship lost my viewership, would I buy a DVD? I would not even have the means to have enough interest in the show to buy it.

This environment of the internet is a very personal experience. Unlike a TV, you generally have only one user sitting in front of a TV. Traditional reasons for censoring apply don't particularly apply here. Video here is not in an "always on" state and is not on "the family device" (living room TV).

I also agree on sentiments of why is it wrong to show displays of affection but displays of murder are okay. I suppose I needn't expand on that.


It is frustrating. It loses my viewership. Isn't that much contrary to what I pay for? I feel it is more morally wrong to vandalize art than whatever supposed morals are on the other side.
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Crunchyroll... After dark...

You have to have a pause and then whisper the "after dark" part, seductively... Sensually? Sexually? Whatever, I guess whispering it is the main part.

As for myself I have yet to watch and anime here that is censored, then again, I have only watched Gintama and Bleach thus far.
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Posted 8/29/12

KazeNiNare wrote:

Crunchyroll... After dark...

You have to have a pause and then whisper the "after dark" part, seductively... Sensually? Sexually? Whatever, I guess whispering it is the main part.

As for myself I have yet to watch and anime here that is censored, then again, I have only watched Gintama and Bleach thus far.


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